Donovan Mitchell trade will be done before training camp. Does Magic have an interest?

[MagicFan101]

True, Utah is unlikely to run it back.

But it sounds like they are committed to building around Mitchell and moving on from Gobert.

Even if we ignore the reasons why this might be a mistake for Orlando, Utah is not interested in moving Mitchell.

[Xatticus]

Donovan Mitchell is not who you cash in your chips for. The difference between Donovan Mitchell and De'Aaron Fox is Rudy Gobert.

[JF5]

He doesn't want to be here and also this team is no where near ready to trade for a Star Caliber player.

[Ralof]

But it sounds like they are committed to building around Mitchell and moving on from Gobert.

Even if we ignore the reasons why this might be a mistake for Orlando, Utah is not interested in moving Mitchell.

true,and that spells disaster for them.

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no chance this gonna end well,i know is difficult to trade an all-star level player in a small market,but best chance they have right now is to rob some dumb front office of a team when mitchell would like to go.

perfect identikit for that is NY knicks indeed

[Skybox]

Donovan Mitchell is not who you cash in your chips for. The difference between Donovan Mitchell and De'Aaron Fox is Rudy Gobert.

I would agree that he's not among the super elite and I wouldn't offer that kind of deal. I would never mortgage everything and empty the stores for him. Right now, we've got a nice pile of assets...He wouldn't be the final piece but he'd be a big one.

[jonbob17]

True, Utah is unlikely to run it back.

But it sounds like they are committed to building around Mitchell and moving on from Gobert.

Even if we ignore the reasons why this might be a mistake for Orlando, Utah is not interested in moving Mitchell.

The problem with this mindset is they just signed Gobert to a supermax. Dangers of building a team around a center (not named Jokic or possibly Embiid). The teams that could really use Gobert aren't going to really have $40M laying around to give to a center.

[warren4prez]

They are not trading Mitchell period! Gobert is older if they want to rebuild you do it with Mitchell and not Gobert.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Yes, go all in for Mitchell even if it includes trading Chet Holmgren. We have too many B-level to
C-level guys and we don’t even know who’s better than who

[zaymon]

Yes, go all in for Mitchell even if it includes trading Chet Holmgren. We have too many B-level to
C-level guys and we don’t even know who’s better than who

Mitchell is also B level. We were not tanking to settle on mediocrity again.

[pepe1991]

Yes, go all in for Mitchell even if it includes trading Chet Holmgren. We have too many B-level to
C-level guys and we don’t even know who’s better than who

Mitchell is also B level. We were not tanking to settle on mediocrity again.

Depends what execlly would be traded.

If it's 2022 pick, Fultz/Suggs & Isaac this trade is no brainer.

Magic would still have : whoever stays from Suggs/Fultz, Mitchell, Wendell Carter, Wagner and salary cap to get after somebody in FA. (Ayton for example ).

Mitchell is yet to turn 26, averages 26 ppg ,5 apg, 4 rpg. He is as much of "B level" star player as Booker is, who currentlly is on Suns and is probably "best but not most important" player there ( i guess we can all argue who is more important and who is better, him on Paul, i would say Paul but it's very hard to tell ).


I don't want to get too deep into this because it's Weltman, he won't do anything that could cut short his masterplan. Masterplan being selling illusion of "improvment" until he feels comfortable retireing.

[Skybox]

Yes, go all in for Mitchell even if it includes trading Chet Holmgren. We have too many B-level to
C-level guys and we don’t even know who’s better than who

Mitchell is also B level. We were not tanking to settle on mediocrity again.

Depends what execlly would be traded.

If it's 2022 pick, Fultz/Suggs & Isaac this trade is no brainer.

Magic would still have : whoever stays from Suggs/Fultz, Mitchell, Wendell Carter, Wagner and salary cap to get after somebody in FA. (Ayton for example ).

Mitchell is yet to turn 26, averages 26 ppg ,5 apg, 4 rpg. He is as much of "B level" star player as Booker is, who currentlly is on Suns and is probably "best but not most important" player there ( i guess we can all argue who is more important and who is better, him on Paul, i would say Paul but it's very hard to tell ).

I can't support this enough. The relevance of this team would skyrocket overnight and it wouldn't mean we are stuck...I would add an extra future pick if we could hold on to our '22 pick (assuming it's top 3 or 4) because we would actually be good very quickly with Mitchell and our draft choice...and the guys we keep...Our best hope is complete disarray in UTA because we are in such uniquely good position to make a strong offer right now. We have young guys that show enough promise to be highly valued but impossible to tell who among them will bust (we know that some but not all of Suggs, Fultz, Isaac, Bamba, Carter, Wagner, Cole will be good-but not which).

Mortgage the future? I think that's a stretch but Yes either way.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

My internet was acting up, but I had already stated that Donovan Mitchell is an A minus or B plus guy, just like the Miami Heat top 4. Get a few of those and you have a title contender

[jonbob17]

You don't have to squint too hard to see that Suggs has a higher upside. Not sure we are in a position to take a known quantity over potential.

What is Mitchell, about the 35th best player in the league. Plenty valuable as a side kick. On the other hand, being 6'1" at the 2 guard he is going to get targeted in every playoff series. Can his scoring outweigh his liability in the playoffs? Wasn't in the bubble when he was putting up 50s, but they still lost?

Who is Suggs best comp? Jrue, maybe? I'd take peak years of Jrue over Mitchell, and I do believe that Suggs offensive potential is higher than Holiday's.

[p0peye]

Yes, go all in for Mitchell even if it includes trading Chet Holmgren. We have too many B-level to
C-level guys and we don’t even know who’s better than who

Mitchell is also B level. We were not tanking to settle on mediocrity again.

Depends what execlly would be traded.

If it's 2022 pick, Fultz/Suggs & Isaac this trade is no brainer.

Magic would still have : whoever stays from Suggs/Fultz, Mitchell, Wendell Carter, Wagner and salary cap to get after somebody in FA. (Ayton for example ).

Mitchell is yet to turn 26, averages 26 ppg ,5 apg, 4 rpg. He is as much of "B level" star player as Booker is, who currentlly is on Suns and is probably "best but not most important" player there ( i guess we can all argue who is more important and who is better, him on Paul, i would say Paul but it's very hard to tell ).


I don't want to get too deep into this because it's Weltman, he won't do anything that could cut short his masterplan. Masterplan being selling illusion of "improvment" until he feels comfortable retireing.

As long as we can keep Wagner and still have space to go after Ayton, Utah can take anyone and 2-3 FRPs as well. Unfortunately, it might not be the case, but we should try.

[richi_v25]

I'd rather we try to go after Olidipo and Ayton if we're going all in.

[zaymon]

Mitchell is also B level. We were not tanking to settle on mediocrity again.

Depends what execlly would be traded.

If it's 2022 pick, Fultz/Suggs & Isaac this trade is no brainer.

Magic would still have : whoever stays from Suggs/Fultz, Mitchell, Wendell Carter, Wagner and salary cap to get after somebody in FA. (Ayton for example ).

Mitchell is yet to turn 26, averages 26 ppg ,5 apg, 4 rpg. He is as much of "B level" star player as Booker is, who currentlly is on Suns and is probably "best but not most important" player there ( i guess we can all argue who is more important and who is better, him on Paul, i would say Paul but it's very hard to tell ).


I don't want to get too deep into this because it's Weltman, he won't do anything that could cut short his masterplan. Masterplan being selling illusion of "improvment" until he feels comfortable retireing.

As long as we can keep Wagner and still have space to go after Ayton, Utah can take anyone and 2-3 FRPs as well. Unfortunately, it might not be the case, but we should try.

I dont agree. I cant believe you are ok with it pepe. Mitchell is all you despice in a player ! 6'1 !!! Not great 3 point shooter, not great passer and bad defender.
Suggs+Isaac+2022 ?? I would not give any of them let alone three.
Suggs is 6'4, 20 years old and a rookie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.
I would rather risk with Suggs who is on a rookie deal than Mitchell on max contract.
I wont even start with 2022 frp and Isaac.

[pepe1991]

Depends what execlly would be traded.

If it's 2022 pick, Fultz/Suggs & Isaac this trade is no brainer.

Magic would still have : whoever stays from Suggs/Fultz, Mitchell, Wendell Carter, Wagner and salary cap to get after somebody in FA. (Ayton for example ).

Mitchell is yet to turn 26, averages 26 ppg ,5 apg, 4 rpg. He is as much of "B level" star player as Booker is, who currentlly is on Suns and is probably "best but not most important" player there ( i guess we can all argue who is more important and who is better, him on Paul, i would say Paul but it's very hard to tell ).


I don't want to get too deep into this because it's Weltman, he won't do anything that could cut short his masterplan. Masterplan being selling illusion of "improvment" until he feels comfortable retireing.

As long as we can keep Wagner and still have space to go after Ayton, Utah can take anyone and 2-3 FRPs as well. Unfortunately, it might not be the case, but we should try.

I dont agree. I cant believe you are ok with it pepe. Mitchell is all you despice in a player ! 6'1 !!! Not great 3 point shooter, not great passer and bad defender.
Suggs+Isaac+2022 ?? I would not give any of them let alone three.
Suggs is 6'4, 20 years old and a rookie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.
I would rather risk with Suggs who is on a rookie deal than Mitchell on max contract.
I wont even start with 2022 frp and Isaac.

Suggs was 4 three point attemps away from officially being worst 3 point shooter in nba history on at least 200 attemps.
However, he become worst team's leader in usage rate compared to PER.

ie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.

Won't mention Suggs stat line? 33% FG, 0% for 3 , 50% FTs over 2 games on 7,5 ppg, 1,5 apg, 3 turnovers a game? Trully Suggs like?

Giving up Isaac is giving up on what execlly? Dead cap space? Trading for allstar and giving up future Daily wire co host?
Maybe Ben Sharpiro can be our starting SG?

2022 pick... all mighty 2022 pick. Such an amazing draft class.... You might get lucky and draft anorexic Porzingis or you might be less lucky and draft poor man Randle.

Donovan Mitchell's 3% for career is higher than Suggs FG%, Mitchell played more games in last 2 seasons ( despite being drafted same year as Isaac) than Isaac played entire career and you still might end up with Ivey who's Mitchell's worst clone, just bit more taller.

And ahh that massive size issue. This is how noticable it is difference between 6'1 and 6'4 guys with same build

[yoyojw17]

Depends what execlly would be traded.

If it's 2022 pick, Fultz/Suggs & Isaac this trade is no brainer.

Magic would still have : whoever stays from Suggs/Fultz, Mitchell, Wendell Carter, Wagner and salary cap to get after somebody in FA. (Ayton for example ).

Mitchell is yet to turn 26, averages 26 ppg ,5 apg, 4 rpg. He is as much of "B level" star player as Booker is, who currentlly is on Suns and is probably "best but not most important" player there ( i guess we can all argue who is more important and who is better, him on Paul, i would say Paul but it's very hard to tell ).


I don't want to get too deep into this because it's Weltman, he won't do anything that could cut short his masterplan. Masterplan being selling illusion of "improvment" until he feels comfortable retireing.

As long as we can keep Wagner and still have space to go after Ayton, Utah can take anyone and 2-3 FRPs as well. Unfortunately, it might not be the case, but we should try.

I dont agree. I cant believe you are ok with it pepe. Mitchell is all you despice in a player ! 6'1 !!! Not great 3 point shooter, not great passer and bad defender.
Suggs+Isaac+2022 ?? I would not give any of them let alone three.
Suggs is 6'4, 20 years old and a rookie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.
I would rather risk with Suggs who is on a rookie deal than Mitchell on max contract.
I wont even start with 2022 frp and Isaac.

I wouldn't be surprised if utah did make that trade in a heartbeat. You gain 3 young players to replace 1 player where the team was actually better with him on the bench. with his 26 points. But... maybe he just needs a change of scenery.... but... for me... not worth the risk. lol

[zaymon]

As long as we can keep Wagner and still have space to go after Ayton, Utah can take anyone and 2-3 FRPs as well. Unfortunately, it might not be the case, but we should try.

I dont agree. I cant believe you are ok with it pepe. Mitchell is all you despice in a player ! 6'1 !!! Not great 3 point shooter, not great passer and bad defender.
Suggs+Isaac+2022 ?? I would not give any of them let alone three.
Suggs is 6'4, 20 years old and a rookie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.
I would rather risk with Suggs who is on a rookie deal than Mitchell on max contract.
I wont even start with 2022 frp and Isaac.

Suggs was 4 three point attemps away from officially being worst 3 point shooter in nba history on at least 200 attemps.
However, he become worst team's leader in usage rate compared to PER.

ie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.

Won't mention Suggs stat line? 33% FG, 0% for 3 , 50% FTs over 2 games on 7,5 ppg, 1,5 apg, 3 turnovers a game? Trully Suggs like?

Giving up Isaac is giving up on what execlly? Dead cap space? Trading for allstar and giving up future Daily wire co host?
Maybe Ben Sharpiro can be our starting SG?

2022 pick... all mighty 2022 pick. Such an amazing draft class.... You might get lucky and draft anorexic Porzingis or you might be less lucky and draft poor man Randle.

Donovan Mitchell's 3% for career is higher than Suggs FG%, Mitchell played more games in last 2 seasons ( despite being drafted same year as Isaac) than Isaac played entire career and you still might end up with Ivey who's Mitchell's worst clone, just bit more taller.

And ahh that massive size issue. This is how noticable it is difference between 6'1 and 6'4 guys with same build

You are giving false stats. Suggs was 12 ast/5 tov vs 8 ast/ 7 tov for Mitchell.
50% ft is in reality 1 for 2. He is actually 77,3 % for the season. Not so much different from 80% Donovan had during his rookie year being older.
I dont get your love for Mitchell. Jazz is treadmill team and Donovan has much better supporting cast. MUCH better.

[pepe1991]

I dont agree. I cant believe you are ok with it pepe. Mitchell is all you despice in a player ! 6'1 !!! Not great 3 point shooter, not great passer and bad defender.
Suggs+Isaac+2022 ?? I would not give any of them let alone three.
Suggs is 6'4, 20 years old and a rookie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.
I would rather risk with Suggs who is on a rookie deal than Mitchell on max contract.
I wont even start with 2022 frp and Isaac.

Suggs was 4 three point attemps away from officially being worst 3 point shooter in nba history on at least 200 attemps.
However, he become worst team's leader in usage rate compared to PER.

ie. Veteran in his prime known as Donovan "lets get on a treadmill" Mitchell was 6-19 in a win and 8-24 in a loss against Suggs. Truly spectacular.

Won't mention Suggs stat line? 33% FG, 0% for 3 , 50% FTs over 2 games on 7,5 ppg, 1,5 apg, 3 turnovers a game? Trully Suggs like?

Giving up Isaac is giving up on what execlly? Dead cap space? Trading for allstar and giving up future Daily wire co host?
Maybe Ben Sharpiro can be our starting SG?

2022 pick... all mighty 2022 pick. Such an amazing draft class.... You might get lucky and draft anorexic Porzingis or you might be less lucky and draft poor man Randle.

Donovan Mitchell's 3% for career is higher than Suggs FG%, Mitchell played more games in last 2 seasons ( despite being drafted same year as Isaac) than Isaac played entire career and you still might end up with Ivey who's Mitchell's worst clone, just bit more taller.

And ahh that massive size issue. This is how noticable it is difference between 6'1 and 6'4 guys with same build

You are giving false stats. Suggs was 12 ast/5 tov vs 8 ast/ 7 tov for Mitchell.
50% ft is in reality 1 for 2. He is actually 77,3 % for the season. Not so much different from 80% Donovan had during his rookie year being older.
I dont get your love for Mitchell. Jazz is treadmill team and Donovan has much better supporting cast. MUCH better.

You are giving false stats. Suggs was 12 ast/5 tov vs 8 ast/ 7 tov for Mitchell.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401360663

4-11 FG, 0 -3 for 3, 3 assists, 3 turnovers , 9 points

https://www.espn.com/nba/game/_/gameId/401359965

3-10 FG, 0-2 for 3, 5 assists, 4 turnovers


Cumulative: 7-21 FG =33% FG
0-5 for = 0% for 3
1-2 FTs= 50% FTs

What i counted wrong was apg, i mixed them with rpgs (1,5 rpg = 3 rpg total) , assist numbers * fixed * 12 assists, 5 turnovers = 6apg, 2,5 TO

MItchell against Magic in his entire career only played 10 games, but in that 10 games averages 25 points , 4,2 rebounds & assits. On 48% FG and 42% for 3. Last two games he didn't play well against us, regardless, he still got to +20 points and cumulative plus minus was +13.

I don't *Love* Mitchell, but saw countless games of Utah over past 4 years to understand his value as a player.
I see 25 years old player who in regular season is waling 25 ppg , who in playoffs averages 28 points a game on 37% for 3 despite taking 9 threes a game. I see player who can draw 5-7 FTA against everybody. I see player that can be co-star on team that goes to conference finals. I see guy who against Kawhi & George on him puts up 35 -5-5 on 45% FG,45% for 3 & 60% TS ( but simply does not have team around him where they can fight for title ). I've seen enough games of Utah to know how Gobert has been glorified Marcus Camby every playoffs where he gets dragged out of paint and is chasing his own shadow. Partically because of roster build, partically because of lack of team defense, but mainly because he simply can't be second best player on contender. But is payed like he is Lebron James in his prime.

What i also like about that "Suggs- Isaac- picK" trade is fact that Magic are giving up pretty much nothing.
Isaac is broken man that will probably never play additional 250-300 games in his life. Suggs has uphill battle to become rotation player and even at his best he is poor man Bledsoe. Pick is pick. Pick can be Lebron James ( but won't ) but can be Cam Reddish ( crap wrapped in colorful and mysterious paper ).
What i know for sure is that on November 2022 DOnovan Mitchell will walk on that court and be top 25 player in nba and nobody will stop him from averaging 25 ppg . What i also know is that Magic did not have that type of power on guard positions since Tracy McGrady. What i don't know is will Suggs even show up for camp, will Isaac show up for camp and who 2022 pick will be. And let's even play devil's advocate. Magic win lottery and draft Holmgren and he gets hurt . Than what? Majority of roster will be sky high lottery picks but all of them injury prone? Good luck with that "future". Bunch of Michael Porter's of the world being payed for friction of games they can suit up and play.