[Windhorst] Pascal Siakam Potentially Could Be Available For The Right Trade

[Madhouse]

why would we trade pascal. hes our best palyer and moving him signals another retool/rebuild which i wouldnt mind but eh. The guys a perfect number 2 on a legit team.

Because you either get an insane talent, insane value or even a better player back.

But all scenarios are fairly unlikely at this point.

[Double Bubble]

COULD POTENTIALLY

Go f yourself fat boy

[Parataxis]

I don't know if you trade Siakam for Gobert but sure ain't about to trade him to Hawks. Who do they have that could be worth it? Absolutely nobody.

I'm all for trading anybody but Barnes at this point for the right price but Hawks don't have one for Siakam.

If the Hawks offer Trae for Pascal, you need to at least listen to it.

I didn't listen to what he actually said but I'm of course assuming Trae Young is not on the table. They desperately want him to be that guy because of who they traded for him and they'll never hear the end of it if they gave up on him now. So I highly doubt he'd be available even though he's not necessarily at that level.

Oh yeah, I definitely don't think that the Hawks would offer Trae. But if they wanted Pascal, that's pretty much the way to get a conversation going. Can't see it happening.

[Madhouse]

There are like, 15 players in the NBA that are better than Siakam for the next two years. Unless one of those guys is coming back in a Siakam deal, it’s not happening. I don’t even think they would move him for a top 5 pick.

I'd move him for the first overall pick and for a Poole/Kuminga package.


But considering these things won't get offered he will stay. There is close to a zero percent chance he is getting moved.

[Van_Trump]

It's a shame Ben Simmons is broken.

[Steelo Green]

Masai runs arguably the tightest ship in terms of leaks in the NBA.

Take all you hear in the wild with a grain of salt.

Barnes pick, Kyle trade, Gasol trade, Kawhi trade.

In recent years a decent chunk has come out.

I can't comment on the Barnes pick as I don't recall if that was a leak or a broken clock is right twice a day scenario with Chad Ford.

The other three seemingly all came from the other side, in the case of this rumour specifically as there is no "other side" I am fairly comfortable that Masai and Co aren't actively leaking that they are willing to trade Siakam and risk that blow back.

It was Fischer who leaked.

I don’t think Masai and Co leak for traction but could be one of those loose lips sink ships type situation. Probably not from the top 3 but lower guys on the totem.

[aroc23]

There are like, 15 players in the NBA that are better than Siakam for the next two years. Unless one of those guys is coming back in a Siakam deal, it’s not happening. I don’t even think they would move him for a top 5 pick.

I'd move him for the first overall pick and for a Poole/Kuminga package.


But considering these things won't get offered he will stay. There is close to a zero percent chance he is getting moved.

That would be a huge win even without the pick. Throw in Flynn and Wiggins to make the numbers work. The reason I do not think they would do it is that they likely see Poole and Kuminga as their next Steph and Green, but it definitely makes them really scary while the big 3 are still in their primes (likely tail end for Klay).

It sets up the Warriors to be the favourites. It also saves them from having to pay Wiggins $33,000,000 + they save a TON on luxury tax.

Curry / Flynn
Klay / JTA / Lee / Moody
Pascal / Porter
Green / GPII (or he starts instead of Looney)
Looney / Wiseman

Yes the backup guard situation is not ideal, but the reality is that Green and Siakam play PG just as much as their team's actual PG.

I think the Warriors should consider this. They cannot afford to pay Poole and keep Klay and Steph. Pool is getting minimum $30 million per if not more after this playoff run. That would be locking in around $125,000,000.00 to just the guard position starting in 2023. Not to mention they have $50,000,000 going to Moody, Kuminga, Green and Wiseman in 2023 as well. That's $175,000,000 for just 4 guards, 2 forwards and a centre (7 players).

Meanwhile the Raptors look like this:

FVV / Banton
Poole / GTJ
OG / Wiggins / Champangie
Barnes / Kuminga
Precious / Boucher /Birch

I think you would look to move FVV so Poole can be the PG (and Scottie the main creator).

Down the road you look like this:

Poole
OG
Kuminga
Barnes
Precious

+ whatever you get for FVV and GTJ.

/pipedream

[Rapsfan07]

Here is the order of players in which I think we should be considering trading:

1. Fred - he's good, beloved by a the organization and made his first all-star team this year. However, he's due for a big extension and is mostly a 3+D style PG. He can't get by his man at all and cannot score at the rim or consistently from midrange. Unless his 3pt shot is dropping, he's mostly useless on offense. Phenomenal defender though. His stock is about as high as it's going to get, I would move him now if the right deal came along.

2.OG - I love me some OG and it was hard to put his name here but I think it's the right choice. A big, switchable wing who can shoot the 3, young and on a relatively cheap contract. The problem is that he's often injured but more importantly, we already have all-NBA Pascal who just had a monster season at our PF spot and I believe Barnes is best at SF. Long term, this means that there isn't any room in the starting lineup for OG UNLESS the long term vision for Barnes is as a PG; another reason why FVV is at the top of this list. If you're keeping Barnes/OG/Siakam, you have to move Vanvleet.

3.Trent - Probably going to get a lot of flack for this but hey, everyone gave me a lot of flack last year for suggesting a FVV trade and now here we are. I like Trent. He's young, his numbers project well, he's a pretty damn good scorer when he gets hot and a much improved defender. However, like FVV, he is due for an extension and while he projects well, I'm not 100% at the moment that I'd be willing to pay him much more than what he's getting now. Otherwise, we could be looking at paying around $20-25M per for a 3+D guy, which is a little overpriced in my opinion, especially since we have Fred AND OG who have the same strengths and weakness. At the end of the day, the bottom line is you can't (or shouldn't) keep both Trent and Fred. You'll have to choose one if you want to become a contender.

4. Siakam - Unless the plan is to do a full scale, OKC type rebuild, Siakam should not be dealt. Replacing his production at the PF spot would be impossible as the only players at his position that are better than him are not available. The only deal that I would consider moving him for at the moment is for Wiseman, Moody, Kuminga, Poole and whatever other salary ballasts are necessary. If not, we'd be much better off keeping him.

[DangerZone13]

Windy even goes on to mention Trae throwing lobs to Rudy - he wasn't even thinking Siakam to Atlanta.
With his first real offseason in a couple of years, I actually expect him to come back even better next year in his like, 11th year playing basketball.

He's like chili in the fridge - gets more flavorful with age.

[Johnny Bball]

Brian Windhorst

"I think Pascal Siakam potentially could be available for the right trade. I don’t know if it’s for Rudy Gobert, though. To me the team that makes the most sense is Atlanta. Because their defense is horrific, it’s holding them back. Trae Young has got to get better defensively. We understand he’s not going to be Gary Payton, but he has to improve, he’s got to try."

Source: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/significance-of-harden-time-for-change-in-utah/id293376147?i=1000559110238

Credit: /u/WorldTwisting on Reddit

Here we go again...

I THINK I would like to trade 4 towels for Lebron James.

[macNcheese3]

For the right price anyone is moveable. I'd move Pascal for the right deal, in a minute.

[Madhouse]

For the right price anyone is moveable. I'd move Pascal for the right deal, in a minute.

but what is the right deal to you?

[XTC]

There are like, 15 players in the NBA that are better than Siakam for the next two years. Unless one of those guys is coming back in a Siakam deal, it’s not happening. I don’t even think they would move him for a top 5 pick.

You don't really think Siakam is top 15... do you?

In no particular order...
Doncic
Jokic
Curry
Morant
Embiid
Giannis
Durant
Kyrie
Tatum
Young
Butler
Lebron
George
Kawhi
Davis

Then you have fringe guys like
Beal
Adebayo
Brown
Klay
Harden
Lillard
SGA
Zion
KAT
Gobert/Mitchell
CP3/Booker

Siakam is closer to top 30 than he is top 15. He had a great individual year with good team success in the regular season.

[Madhouse]

There are like, 15 players in the NBA that are better than Siakam for the next two years. Unless one of those guys is coming back in a Siakam deal, it’s not happening. I don’t even think they would move him for a top 5 pick.

You don't really think Siakam is top 15... do you?

In no particular order...
Doncic
Jokic
Curry
Morant
Embiid
Giannis
Durant
Kyrie
Tatum
Young
Butler
Lebron
George
Kawhi
Davis

Then you have fringe guys like
Beal
Adebayo
Brown
Klay
Harden
Lillard
SGA
Zion
KAT
Gobert/Mitchell
CP3/Booker

Siakam is closer to top 30 than he is top 15. He had a great individual year with good team success in the regular season.

20-25 is the right range for Siakam. He has ways to go to be top 15.

[Clutch0z24]

I think the team needs to make a decision on Siakam or OG Long term......Barnes is our guy and with Siakam/OG/Barnes they all have a sim playing style and same build/positions on the court it just won't work unless Barnes becomes the PG which idk if that is going to happen....

I think thats what is making Siakam tradeable and might become available for the right price....If i am thinking strictly on the management side of things if i am in their shoes i see Siakam at 27 years old having the highest trade value he will have atm....I would prolly try and see what i can get for him and hold onto the younger guy in OG and hope he can develop into something greater...

Idk what a player like Siakam can get back for us but id be looking at a Top C/Great PG ...I can see GTJR/OG/Barnes being part of the future for us i still believe OG can reach another level if he stops getting injured

[WigginsNation]

To balance the roster out, trade Pascal for Towns.
Then trade OG and FVV for Shai and another piece.

SL: SGA, Trent, BARNES, Precious, Towns
Bench: Boucher, Thad, Delano, offseason prize pickups

That team is way more balanced, still long, and would contend for the championship!

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Masai runs arguably the tightest ship in terms of leaks in the NBA.

Take all you hear in the wild with a grain of salt.

Said by a guy who hasn't had anything leaked to him.

I don't believe this, personally.

[LoveMyRaps]

There are like, 15 players in the NBA that are better than Siakam for the next two years. Unless one of those guys is coming back in a Siakam deal, it’s not happening. I don’t even think they would move him for a top 5 pick.

You don't really think Siakam is top 15... do you?

In no particular order...
Doncic
Jokic
Curry
Morant
Embiid
Giannis
Durant
Kyrie
Tatum
Young
Butler
Lebron
George
Kawhi
Davis

Then you have fringe guys like
Beal
Adebayo
Brown
Klay
Harden
Lillard
SGA
Zion
KAT
Gobert/Mitchell
CP3/Booker

Siakam is closer to top 30 than he is top 15. He had a great individual year with good team success in the regular season.

Siakam over every single one of those fringe guys you listed.

I'll also take him over AD and Butler any day of the week.
Siakam is a top 15 player.

[Reeko]

To balance the roster out, trade Pascal for Towns.
Then trade OG and FVV for Shai and another piece.

SL: SGA, Trent, BARNES, Precious, Towns
Bench: Boucher, Thad, Delano, offseason prize pickups

That team is way more balanced, still long, and would contend for the championship!

No, they wouldn't.

[720]

To balance the roster out, trade Pascal for Towns.
Then trade OG and FVV for Shai and another piece.

SL: SGA, Trent, BARNES, Precious, Towns
Bench: Boucher, Thad, Delano, offseason prize pickups

That team is way more balanced, still long, and would contend for the championship!

No, they wouldn't.

IDK about Towns (seems like a fraud). But we should try and get Shai if he ever is on the trade block.