OT: NFL Draft Thread

[mpharris36]

That’s that RB in him.

He's a tough SOB with the ball. I like the kid. I probably preferred other picks as well but daboll wants to build his offense and he obviously thinks this guy is going to be a major piece in it.

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I mean i'm being honest...most of my evaluations are coming from watching youtube and other peoples breakdown. I don't claim to be some NFL scout that breaks down all-22 film.

You were banging down the door to trade up for Dean in the 2nd. Nothing against you, im just pointing out we just aren't privy to the information that NFL teams have whether its medicals/off the field stuff. We aren't in the meeting rooms, we aren't in the zooms. I'm not breaking down hours and hours of film. Maybe they had good information that another team was sniffing around Robinson and they didn't want to lose out on him. No one will ever know. At least to offset the risk they didn't just pick him...they moved down and collected some additional picks to fill other needs.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page and that should lead to picking players that fit what we are trying to do. Its our first draft to evaluate them on. My approach will be give them the benefit of the doubt on there evaluations until they prove not to be trusted.

[TerrenceClarke]

He's a tough SOB with the ball. I like the kid. I probably preferred other picks as well but daboll wants to build his offense and he obviously thinks this guy is going to be a major piece in it.

fixed lol

I mean i'm being honest...most of my evaluations are coming from watching youtube and other peoples breakdown. I don't claim to be some NFL scout that breaks down all-22 film.

You were banging down the door to trade up for Dean in the 2nd. Nothing against you, im just pointing out we just aren't privy to the information that NFL teams have whether its medicals/off the field stuff. We aren't in the meeting rooms, we aren't in the zooms. I'm not breaking down hours and hours of film.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page and that should lead to picking players that fit what we are trying to do. Its our first draft to evaluate them on. My approach will be give them the benefit of the doubt on there evaluations until they prove not to be trusted.

I mean of course. We dont know Deans medicals like they do, but dean was a well known player. I also I didnt bang on any door. I made ONE post on it saying I would rade for him....cause MrDollarbills posted that he would trade for him and I was co signing it.

My Joke was you know damn well it wasn't probably bro. You 100% preferred other players during that point. Your mind was no where close to him cause like you said you never heard of him.

[thebuzzardman]

The Jets future is considerably brighter than the Knicks and the Jets aren't that good.

[mpharris36]

fixed lol

I mean i'm being honest...most of my evaluations are coming from watching youtube and other peoples breakdown. I don't claim to be some NFL scout that breaks down all-22 film.

You were banging down the door to trade up for Dean in the 2nd. Nothing against you, im just pointing out we just aren't privy to the information that NFL teams have whether its medicals/off the field stuff. We aren't in the meeting rooms, we aren't in the zooms. I'm not breaking down hours and hours of film.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page and that should lead to picking players that fit what we are trying to do. Its our first draft to evaluate them on. My approach will be give them the benefit of the doubt on there evaluations until they prove not to be trusted.

I mean of course. We dont know Deans medicals like they do, but dean was a well known player. I also I didnt bang on any door. I made ONE post on it saying I would rade for him....cause MrDollarbills posted that he would trade for him and I was co signing it.

My Joke was you know damn well it wasn't probably bro. You 100% preferred other players during that point. Your mind was no where close to him cause like you said you never heard of him.

Fair but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have known about him. I honestly spent little time evaluating most of the WR's outside of the top ones since there were late rumors we could use our 2nd 1st rounder on a WR if we traded down.

The WR room could look totally different next year. KG, Toney, and Shep could in theory all be not on the team. And Slayton isn't even likely to be on the team this year.

Maybe I have an affinity towards the kid because after the pick I looked into him more and I can see why a team that was looking for smart, tough, and dependable players would like this kid.

Time will tell with all these picks.

[TerrenceClarke]

I mean i'm being honest...most of my evaluations are coming from watching youtube and other peoples breakdown. I don't claim to be some NFL scout that breaks down all-22 film.

You were banging down the door to trade up for Dean in the 2nd. Nothing against you, im just pointing out we just aren't privy to the information that NFL teams have whether its medicals/off the field stuff. We aren't in the meeting rooms, we aren't in the zooms. I'm not breaking down hours and hours of film.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page and that should lead to picking players that fit what we are trying to do. Its our first draft to evaluate them on. My approach will be give them the benefit of the doubt on there evaluations until they prove not to be trusted.

I mean of course. We dont know Deans medicals like they do, but dean was a well known player. I also I didnt bang on any door. I made ONE post on it saying I would rade for him....cause MrDollarbills posted that he would trade for him and I was co signing it.

My Joke was you know damn well it wasn't probably bro. You 100% preferred other players during that point. Your mind was no where close to him cause like you said you never heard of him.

Fair but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have known about him. I honestly spent little time evaluating most of the WR's outside of the top ones since there were late rumors we could use our 2nd 1st rounder on a WR if we traded down.

The WR room could look totally different next year. KG, Toney, and Shep could in theory all be not on the team. And Slayton isn't even likely to be on the team this year.

Maybe I have an affinity towards the kid because after the pick I looked into him more and I can see why a team that was looking for smart, tough, and dependable players would like this kid.

Time will tell with all these picks.

I can understand you like what he brings, but my argument has never been about him its about the slot. Steelers Like Austin, but they were PATIENT to wait for him.

I think that Joe was not patient. He very impulsive in his first draft with him imo. Like I said earlier you he was not the type of player that you could not wait on .


Its why I said Baltimore is the franchise we need to emulate. Baltimore for some reason is ALWAYS getting value on the picks. They never overreach really.


Joe and Daboll could have loved him the death, but there can't be a sane fan that looks at his tape and says.... we HAVE to have him here in the second. We CANT let this type of talent pass us.


If a player who is more dynamic than him in the same package was picked in the 4th. There is no way in hell that dude was getting picked that round. That tells me the consensus views these players in that ranger. Steve Smith is prob the highest small dude drafted in recent memory and even he was picked in the third. The Chiefs knew that Hill was talented, but they waited to get his value at the right spot. The Chiefs read the room correctly with Hill. I dont think Schoen read the room correctly with Robinson.


You can like the player and support FO for picking him, but I know you know enough football to know that dude was taken to early. Multiple things can be true to as well.


I hope Joe learns to slow down and also keep the coach at bay a little more next year. The Coach and GM can be on the same page, but the GM has to be the main author. Robinson seems like a FOMO rushed pick that high. The best GMs are constantly getting VALUE for the pick. By all accounts the Giants didnt get value on any player truly expect the LB from Cincinnati and maybe Flotts imo, Thats about it outside of the first which was the easy picks. The later picks weren't bad to me but nothing to exciting overall.


GMs have to be comoftable losing a player they like as well. Its happens to ALL GM. Drafting is about mental fortitude and a wait game just as much as it is about the talent being picked.


how you outsmart the Draft is by stealing players. Robinson was not a steal. We had two thirds. Thats were you take your shot at Robinson if you like him imo.

Hill been in the league for like 6-7 years. If you noticed he has not created any trend of drafting small Wrs in the high rounds. Those type of players still have the aura you can take them later and rightfully so.

[ADeP7]

Giants fired pettit and O’Brien, hallelujah

[blueNorange]

fwiw there's a rumor floating around that schoen didn't trust the scouts already in place so he went with guys he's personally met/talked too

i'm only saying this because this tweet now comes out which adds fuel to it possibly being true


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[MrDollarBills]

Giants fired pettit and O’Brien, hallelujah

Good. Clean house.

[MrDollarBills]

I mean i'm being honest...most of my evaluations are coming from watching youtube and other peoples breakdown. I don't claim to be some NFL scout that breaks down all-22 film.

You were banging down the door to trade up for Dean in the 2nd. Nothing against you, im just pointing out we just aren't privy to the information that NFL teams have whether its medicals/off the field stuff. We aren't in the meeting rooms, we aren't in the zooms. I'm not breaking down hours and hours of film.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page and that should lead to picking players that fit what we are trying to do. Its our first draft to evaluate them on. My approach will be give them the benefit of the doubt on there evaluations until they prove not to be trusted.

I mean of course. We dont know Deans medicals like they do, but dean was a well known player. I also I didnt bang on any door. I made ONE post on it saying I would rade for him....cause MrDollarbills posted that he would trade for him and I was co signing it.

My Joke was you know damn well it wasn't probably bro. You 100% preferred other players during that point. Your mind was no where close to him cause like you said you never heard of him.

Fair but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have known about him. I honestly spent little time evaluating most of the WR's outside of the top ones since there were late rumors we could use our 2nd 1st rounder on a WR if we traded down.

The WR room could look totally different next year. KG, Toney, and Shep could in theory all be not on the team. And Slayton isn't even likely to be on the team this year.

Maybe I have an affinity towards the kid because after the pick I looked into him more and I can see why a team that was looking for smart, tough, and dependable players would like this kid.

Time will tell with all these picks.

Yeah listen, I gave Gettleman the benefit of a doubt even though i saw Steve Smith Sr. go on NFL Network the day that Gettleman got hired and said that DG is a terrible GM.

I was stupid not to heed his words because when he reached on Barkley i knew that things weren't going to end well.

With Schoen i haven't been given any reason not to give him a chance. I'm not about to predict how someone's career is going to go.

[TerrenceClarke]

Interesting these cats is getting fired. I wonder why now and not before the draft if he didnt trust them. I wonder how much of the draft he relied on them for, if he kept them around this long only to get rid of them.

[mpharris36]

Interesting these cats is getting fired. I wonder why now and not before the draft if he didnt trust them. I wonder how much of the draft he relied on them for, if he kept them around this long only to get rid of them.

its actually pretty common to get rid of scouts and other personnel after the draft. Its just too late in the process when a new GM is hired to start hiring guys away from teams.

I doubt they had much if any impact on the draft. Schoen brought in his right hand man Brandon Brown to help with evaluating the talent.

It was just a matter of time before Schoen started cleaning up some of the old regime.

Its kinda like how black monday is the day for coaches at the end of the regular season

Black monday for scouts and guys involved with the draft is usually the day after the draft.

[bishnykfan]

I didn't love the Robinson pick when it was made. He is a player that I never heard of in all of the leadup to the draft and with so many other higher profile players on the board at the time, it felt like a reach and a disappointing pick. Saying that, I do see the potential in a player like Robinson. Could he have been taken with one of the third rounders? Maybe, maybe not. It's something we will never know. And as disappointing as the pick was to me at the time, I can 100% get on board with Schoen and Daboll and let them build how they envision the team.

And to compare Robinson's draft to Tyreek Hill is just not a fair comparison at all. Robinson starred in the toughest conference in college football. He played the best defensives every week and was one of the most productive receivers in the NCAA. Hill came out of West Alabama and was being drafted after a felony domestic abuse and strangulation charge got him kicked out of Oklahoma St. I don't remember that particular draft or what people were saying predraft but I am 100% sure that Hill was not even on some teams draft boards that year. If he had no character concerns and played in the SEC he easily may have been drafted where Robinson was.

Now that doesn't make Robinson a good pick or say he is going to be as good as Hill, but it does need to be a part of that conversation when comparing the two players draft position.

[TerrenceClarke]

Interesting these cats is getting fired. I wonder why now and not before the draft if he didnt trust them. I wonder how much of the draft he relied on them for, if he kept them around this long only to get rid of them.

its actually pretty common to get rid of scouts and other personnel after the draft. Its just too late in the process when a new GM is hired to start hiring guys away from teams.

I doubt they had much if any impact on the draft. Schoen brought in his right hand man Brandon Brown to help with evaluating the talent.

It was just a matter of time before Schoen started cleaning up some of the old regime.

Its kinda like how black monday is the day for coaches at the end of the regular season

Black monday for scouts and guys involved with the draft is usually the day after the draft.

Makes sense. Just prob something I never paid attention to before. I knew about it for coaches not scouts.

[mpharris36]

Interesting these cats is getting fired. I wonder why now and not before the draft if he didnt trust them. I wonder how much of the draft he relied on them for, if he kept them around this long only to get rid of them.

its actually pretty common to get rid of scouts and other personnel after the draft. Its just too late in the process when a new GM is hired to start hiring guys away from teams.

I doubt they had much if any impact on the draft. Schoen brought in his right hand man Brandon Brown to help with evaluating the talent.

It was just a matter of time before Schoen started cleaning up some of the old regime.

Its kinda like how black monday is the day for coaches at the end of the regular season

Black monday for scouts and guys involved with the draft is usually the day after the draft.

Makes sense. Just prob something I never paid attention to before. I knew about it for coaches not scouts.

Probably because the Giants rarely.let go scouts ect...good thing is Schoen is being allowed to run his own show. He clearly has philosophical differences and wants to bring in his own people.

The Giants never have went out of house for the GM simce George Young so someone like Petit has nearly been in the organization for 20 years. There are rumors he was really good friends with Mara's nephew Tim McConnell who is also part of the front office. Obviously we can't fire him (related to the owner). But removing most of the **** decision makers from the past is refreshing.

[MrDollarBills]

He's a tough SOB with the ball. I like the kid. I probably preferred other picks as well but daboll wants to build his offense and he obviously thinks this guy is going to be a major piece in it.

fixed lol

I mean i'm being honest...most of my evaluations are coming from watching youtube and other peoples breakdown. I don't claim to be some NFL scout that breaks down all-22 film.

You were banging down the door to trade up for Dean in the 2nd. Nothing against you, im just pointing out we just aren't privy to the information that NFL teams have whether its medicals/off the field stuff. We aren't in the meeting rooms, we aren't in the zooms. I'm not breaking down hours and hours of film. Maybe they had good information that another team was sniffing around Robinson and they didn't want to lose out on him. No one will ever know. At least to offset the risk they didn't just pick him...they moved down and collected some additional picks to fill other needs.

Schoen and Daboll are on the same page and that should lead to picking players that fit what we are trying to do. Its our first draft to evaluate them on. My approach will be give them the benefit of the doubt on there evaluations until they prove not to be trusted.

This is how i feel. I'm not some college ball expert that watches saturday football games religiously, I usually only watch the big match ups, so anything that I learn about most players projected outside of Round 1 is via 2nd hand info on YouTube and from the folks that are putting in the work via the media and PFF. I never heard of Robinson until his name was called, and while I have reservations based on his size and weight, I'm not going to make a decision about him until I see him play. That being said, he possibly looks like he can be a dynamic player in Daboll's offense if all goes well, but highlight packages only can show you so much and the information Schoen/Daboll have is way more than what I can see.

If it was DG who made this pick, yeah people would have a right to lose their minds over a reach pick in round 2, but Schoen and Daboll at least deserve the benefit of a doubt, this is Year 1 of a long process.

[MrDollarBills]

Interesting these cats is getting fired. I wonder why now and not before the draft if he didnt trust them. I wonder how much of the draft he relied on them for, if he kept them around this long only to get rid of them.

its actually pretty common to get rid of scouts and other personnel after the draft. Its just too late in the process when a new GM is hired to start hiring guys away from teams.

I doubt they had much if any impact on the draft. Schoen brought in his right hand man Brandon Brown to help with evaluating the talent.

It was just a matter of time before Schoen started cleaning up some of the old regime.

Its kinda like how black monday is the day for coaches at the end of the regular season

Black monday for scouts and guys involved with the draft is usually the day after the draft.

A house cleaning was in order as is.

I'm sure some of DG's mess on the roster has their day coming sooner than later as well.

[MrDollarBills]

I didn't love the Robinson pick when it was made. He is a player that I never heard of in all of the leadup to the draft and with so many other higher profile players on the board at the time, it felt like a reach and a disappointing pick. Saying that, I do see the potential in a player like Robinson. Could he have been taken with one of the third rounders? Maybe, maybe not. It's something we will never know. And as disappointing as the pick was to me at the time, I can 100% get on board with Schoen and Daboll and let them build how they envision the team.

And to compare Robinson's draft to Tyreek Hill is just not a fair comparison at all. Robinson starred in the toughest conference in college football. He played the best defensives every week and was one of the most productive receivers in the NCAA. Hill came out of West Alabama and was being drafted after a felony domestic abuse and strangulation charge got him kicked out of Oklahoma St. I don't remember that particular draft or what people were saying predraft but I am 100% sure that Hill was not even on some teams draft boards that year. If he had no character concerns and played in the SEC he easily may have been drafted where Robinson was.

Now that doesn't make Robinson a good pick or say he is going to be as good as Hill, but it does need to be a part of that conversation when comparing the two players draft position.

Hill was projected to be an undrafted free agent and wasn't even considered to be an every down WR.

[blue and orange]

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If Robinson is over 6 feet he’s easily a 1st rd pick. This is the type of wr that fits Daboll and Kaftkas system. At least there seems to be plan then drafting a guy because he runs a 40 in 4.4 or has good size remember everyone raving about Ramses Braden who was 6’7. Of course gotta see how this translates onto the field.

[bishnykfan]

I didn't love the Robinson pick when it was made. He is a player that I never heard of in all of the leadup to the draft and with so many other higher profile players on the board at the time, it felt like a reach and a disappointing pick. Saying that, I do see the potential in a player like Robinson. Could he have been taken with one of the third rounders? Maybe, maybe not. It's something we will never know. And as disappointing as the pick was to me at the time, I can 100% get on board with Schoen and Daboll and let them build how they envision the team.

And to compare Robinson's draft to Tyreek Hill is just not a fair comparison at all. Robinson starred in the toughest conference in college football. He played the best defensives every week and was one of the most productive receivers in the NCAA. Hill came out of West Alabama and was being drafted after a felony domestic abuse and strangulation charge got him kicked out of Oklahoma St. I don't remember that particular draft or what people were saying predraft but I am 100% sure that Hill was not even on some teams draft boards that year. If he had no character concerns and played in the SEC he easily may have been drafted where Robinson was.

Now that doesn't make Robinson a good pick or say he is going to be as good as Hill, but it does need to be a part of that conversation when comparing the two players draft position.

Hill was projected to be an undrafted free agent and wasn't even considered to be an every down WR.

I went back and looked last night so I know he was projected to be undrafted. But a lot of that was due to his character concerns rather than his talent. Of course his size was a factor also but my point was he was drafted in the fifth round, a few rounds earlier than projected, just like Robinson. If he didn’t strangle his girlfriend, he may have gone even higher. To compare his draft position to Robinson isn’t really apples to apples all things considered.

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