How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason?
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$25M per is an easy match for Cuban. Teams like Detroit have to go $30M or up if they want him IMO.
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Mr B wrote:Maverick41 wrote:Bob8 wrote:The problem is that he's not a Pg, he just looks like Pg. I don't know, if undersized scorer is worth 25+ mio.
I think the "he's not a PG" thing is overrated in today's NBA. Truth is a vast majority of the starting PGs in today's NBA are score first including many who are the top of assists (Trae, Luka, Harden, Ja, etc.).
Brunson has proven already on multiple occasions that he can run a team as a "PG" when he needs to. He averages 7.5 apg when Luka doesn't play this season. He's not just an undersized scorer anymore.
If Brunson is not a PG then neither is Curry.
My point was that you're not paying that kind of money for undersized scorer. You pay that kind of money for the best shooter playing the game ever of course.
Let's say that Brunson gets 30 mio. If he was a Pg as CP3 is, he would be for be sure worth it. But is it worth to pay that kind of money for good but not elite undersized scorer, who is not the best option to run your offense and is liability in D?
This series is a great matchup for Brunson. It's difficult to find playoffs team with worse guard defenders in the league. But just look what Miami did to Trae in their series and he's much better passer than Brunson.
Brunson is a very good player and is good to have him in the team, if he gets around 20 mio. Paying him 30 is a nightmare. M. Bridges who would have made Mavs instantly much better is making 20 mio.
You cannot pay Luka, Brunson, THJ and Dinwiddie over 100 mio and hope to build contending team.
I understand that Mavs cannot just let him walk, but they cannot pay him that kind of money long term too. If they sign him for that money, they should somehow find a trade as soon as possible.
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Bob8 wrote:Mr B wrote:Maverick41 wrote:I think the "he's not a PG" thing is overrated in today's NBA. Truth is a vast majority of the starting PGs in today's NBA are score first including many who are the top of assists (Trae, Luka, Harden, Ja, etc.).
Brunson has proven already on multiple occasions that he can run a team as a "PG" when he needs to. He averages 7.5 apg when Luka doesn't play this season. He's not just an undersized scorer anymore.
If Brunson is not a PG then neither is Curry.
My point was that you're not paying that kind of money for undersized scorer. You pay that kind of money for the best shooter playing the game ever of course.
Let's say that Brunson gets 30 mio. If he was a Pg as CP3 is, he would be for be sure worth it. But is it worth to pay that kind of money for good but not elite undersized scorer, who is not the best option to run your offense and is liability in D?
This series is a great matchup for Brunson. It's difficult to find playoffs team with worse guard defenders in the league. But just look what Miami did to Trae in their series and he's much better passer than Brunson.
Brunson is a very good player and is good to have him in the team, if he gets around 20 mio. Paying him 30 is a nightmare. M. Bridges who would have made Mavs instantly much better is making 20 mio.
You cannot pay Luka, Brunson, THJ and Dinwiddie over 100 mio and hope to build contending team.
I understand that Mavs cannot just let him walk, but they cannot pay him that kind of money long term too. If they sign him for that money, they should somehow find a trade as soon as possible.
You are correct but i feel like Brunson is the best guard this team has had since Kidd and he has proven to be a good sidekick to Doncic. If Mavs don't resign him, they'll have a much worse roster next year and still be over the cap. So they either make some trades, which is easier said than done, or simply lock Luka/Brunson combo and go from there.
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Archx wrote:Bob8 wrote:Mr B wrote:If Brunson is not a PG then neither is Curry.
My point was that you're not paying that kind of money for undersized scorer. You pay that kind of money for the best shooter playing the game ever of course.
Let's say that Brunson gets 30 mio. If he was a Pg as CP3 is, he would be for be sure worth it. But is it worth to pay that kind of money for good but not elite undersized scorer, who is not the best option to run your offense and is liability in D?
This series is a great matchup for Brunson. It's difficult to find playoffs team with worse guard defenders in the league. But just look what Miami did to Trae in their series and he's much better passer than Brunson.
Brunson is a very good player and is good to have him in the team, if he gets around 20 mio. Paying him 30 is a nightmare. M. Bridges who would have made Mavs instantly much better is making 20 mio.
You cannot pay Luka, Brunson, THJ and Dinwiddie over 100 mio and hope to build contending team.
I understand that Mavs cannot just let him walk, but they cannot pay him that kind of money long term too. If they sign him for that money, they should somehow find a trade as soon as possible.
You are correct but i feel like Brunson is the best guard this team has had since Kidd and he has proven to be a good sidekick to Doncic. If Mavs don't resign him, they'll have a much worse roster next year and still be over the cap. So they either make some trades, which is easier said than done, or simply lock Luka/Brunson combo and go from there.
The biggest problem I see is, that Brunson's ideal position in Mavs is, running second unit or play anytime Luka is not on the court. Cannot see much better option than Brunson for that. But when Luka is on the court, who basically runs everything, Mavs needs different type, more defensive oriented player, who can also shoot. Problem is, that you cannot spend 30 mio for a player, who is the best not playing with Luka. Brunson and Luka are just too similar in good and bad things to be great fit together on the court.
But yes, Mavs should sign Brunson and try to find better solution later.
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Bob8 wrote:Mr B wrote:Maverick41 wrote:I think the "he's not a PG" thing is overrated in today's NBA. Truth is a vast majority of the starting PGs in today's NBA are score first including many who are the top of assists (Trae, Luka, Harden, Ja, etc.).
Brunson has proven already on multiple occasions that he can run a team as a "PG" when he needs to. He averages 7.5 apg when Luka doesn't play this season. He's not just an undersized scorer anymore.
If Brunson is not a PG then neither is Curry.
My point was that you're not paying that kind of money for undersized scorer. You pay that kind of money for the best shooter playing the game ever of course.
Let's say that Brunson gets 30 mio. If he was a Pg as CP3 is, he would be for be sure worth it. But is it worth to pay that kind of money for good but not elite undersized scorer, who is not the best option to run your offense and is liability in D?
This series is a great matchup for Brunson. It's difficult to find playoffs team with worse guard defenders in the league. But just look what Miami did to Trae in their series and he's much better passer than Brunson.
Brunson is a very good player and is good to have him in the team, if he gets around 20 mio. Paying him 30 is a nightmare. M. Bridges who would have made Mavs instantly much better is making 20 mio.
You cannot pay Luka, Brunson, THJ and Dinwiddie over 100 mio and hope to build contending team.
I understand that Mavs cannot just let him walk, but they cannot pay him that kind of money long term too. If they sign him for that money, they should somehow find a trade as soon as possible.
I don’t expect THJ or Dinwiddie to be around for very long. THJ for sure will be moved this off season. I would not be shocked if Dinwiddie is moved too.
Also you should pay the undersized scoring guard if his chemistry with your star is good, which it clearly is. I would love to have someone like Dame or Beal but the Mavs aren’t getting that guy or anyone else of their ilk. We know Brunson has good chemistry with Luka and we know he can be successful playing with Luka and filling in for Luka when he’s out. Also would you rather pay Brunson $25M per or someone like Westbrook, or Wall $40M+
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Mr B wrote:Bob8 wrote:Mr B wrote:If Brunson is not a PG then neither is Curry.
My point was that you're not paying that kind of money for undersized scorer. You pay that kind of money for the best shooter playing the game ever of course.
Let's say that Brunson gets 30 mio. If he was a Pg as CP3 is, he would be for be sure worth it. But is it worth to pay that kind of money for good but not elite undersized scorer, who is not the best option to run your offense and is liability in D?
This series is a great matchup for Brunson. It's difficult to find playoffs team with worse guard defenders in the league. But just look what Miami did to Trae in their series and he's much better passer than Brunson.
Brunson is a very good player and is good to have him in the team, if he gets around 20 mio. Paying him 30 is a nightmare. M. Bridges who would have made Mavs instantly much better is making 20 mio.
You cannot pay Luka, Brunson, THJ and Dinwiddie over 100 mio and hope to build contending team.
I understand that Mavs cannot just let him walk, but they cannot pay him that kind of money long term too. If they sign him for that money, they should somehow find a trade as soon as possible.
I don’t expect THJ or Dinwiddie to be around for very long. THJ for sure will be moved this off season. I would not be shocked if Dinwiddie is moved too.
Also you should pay the undersized scoring guard if his chemistry with your star is good, which it clearly is. I would love to have someone like Dame or Beal but the Mavs aren’t getting that guy or anyone else of their ilk. We know Brunson has good chemistry with Luka and we know he can be successful playing with Luka and filling in for Luka when he’s out. Also would you rather pay Brunson $25M per or someone like Westbrook, or Wall $40M+
Like I said, I have nothing against Brunson, fantastic option, when Luka is not on the court. But if you build a team around Luka, he's not exactly great fit to play alongside him. If Mavs can afford to pay 25M+ for Brunson coming from the bench, I'm all for it.
Of course Mavs don't want Westbrook or Wall. I don't even believe Dame and Beal are great fit either, no D and we have only 1 ball to play with. I would kill for someone like M.Bridges though and I would be satisfied with Smart too. Mavs has to maximise Luka's system, and they're mostly missing lockdown defenders, who can also shoot and rim protector. I would use Brunson money for that. But I agree, we cannot let Brunson to walk for nothing.
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Jalen won't go anywhere.
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Im surprised some Mavs fans are still of the belief that Brunson cant play with Luka.
You make it work, you dont let a talent like Brunson walk. Your not finding better elsewhere.
You make it work, you dont let a talent like Brunson walk. Your not finding better elsewhere.
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Suns will show how much is his real worth
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If Phoenix didn't have CP3 on their books for another 2 seasons at least, the Mavs might have explored a Brunson S&T for Mikal Bridges.
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BlueSan wrote:Suns will show how much is his real worth
I'm really curious to see Brunson against a top team in this PO, we was stellar against Utah but Mitchell and Conley were trash defensively.
Probably the Suns put CP3, different story.
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He’s got to go. I’m convinced that he is only good when the ball is in his hands and he can’t play off ball worth a damn. The absolutely only way to maximize his potential is to have him as a six man. That’s the only solution. Because when he is on the floor with Luka it’s a lot of ball watching. Let the Knicks or the Pistons have him run their offense and sign a quality big man. It’s not going to work.
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Absinthe wrote:He’s got to go. I’m convinced that he is only good when the ball is in his hands and he can’t play off ball worth a damn. The absolutely only way to maximize his potential is to have him as a six man. That’s the only solution. Because when he is on the floor with Luka it’s a lot of ball watching. Let the Knicks or the Pistons have him run their offense and sign a quality big man. It’s not going to work.
If he goes it has to be a S&T. Mavs don't have cap room to sign anyone new.
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Absinthe wrote:He’s got to go. I’m convinced that he is only good when the ball is in his hands and he can’t play off ball worth a damn. The absolutely only way to maximize his potential is to have him as a six man. That’s the only solution. Because when he is on the floor with Luka it’s a lot of ball watching. Let the Knicks or the Pistons have him run their offense and sign a quality big man. It’s not going to work.
the mavs can't sign a good big man, they're over the cap with or without Brunson. The best they can do is sign Brunson and trade him... Signing him is the only option really.
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deb wrote:Absinthe wrote:He’s got to go. I’m convinced that he is only good when the ball is in his hands and he can’t play off ball worth a damn. The absolutely only way to maximize his potential is to have him as a six man. That’s the only solution. Because when he is on the floor with Luka it’s a lot of ball watching. Let the Knicks or the Pistons have him run their offense and sign a quality big man. It’s not going to work.
the mavs can't sign a good big man, they're over the cap with or without Brunson. The best they can do is sign Brunson and trade him... Signing him is the only option really.
Might as well sign and trade him to the Knicks or Pistons. Then you pray that you can package THJ, Bertans, or Dinwiddie with draft picks to anyone to get off their contract.
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BlazersBroncos wrote:Im surprised some Mavs fans are still of the belief that Brunson cant play with Luka.
You make it work, you dont let a talent like Brunson walk. Your not finding better elsewhere.
Some Mavs fans still think they are going to sign some superstar to come play next to Luka. The Mavs won’t have the cap space to sign one of the elite free agents and those “fans” don’t realize the only way to obtain a star player is to groom him from within or trade for one. In order to trade for one you need assets. Best case scenario Brunson becomes that second star, worst case scenario he becomes a trade asset. Either way you don’t let Brunson walk (which Nico Harrison won’t do).
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BlueSan wrote:Suns will show how much is his real worth
The Suns are not going to show the Mavs anything about Brunson that they don’t already know. The Mavs know exactly who Brunson is and what he’s worth.
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Absinthe wrote:deb wrote:Absinthe wrote:He’s got to go. I’m convinced that he is only good when the ball is in his hands and he can’t play off ball worth a damn. The absolutely only way to maximize his potential is to have him as a six man. That’s the only solution. Because when he is on the floor with Luka it’s a lot of ball watching. Let the Knicks or the Pistons have him run their offense and sign a quality big man. It’s not going to work.
the mavs can't sign a good big man, they're over the cap with or without Brunson. The best they can do is sign Brunson and trade him... Signing him is the only option really.
Might as well sign and trade him to the Knicks or Pistons. Then you pray that you can package THJ, Bertans, or Dinwiddie with draft picks to anyone to get off their contract.
Not going to happen. But I will play devil’s advocate. Let’s say they do sign and trade Brunson to the Knicks or Pacers. First understand that he’s getting anywhere from $20M-$25M per season. What do the Knicks or Pacers have in return that the Mavs would want (that matches that salary)?
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I like Brogdon/Turner and even Warren from Indiana..I would say they have everything we need A good-sized two-way shooting guard can play off the ball and defend... a good-sized wing who can create his own offense and top the league in steals before getting hurt and a rim protector who can stretch the floor. what would it take to steal themMr B wrote:Absinthe wrote:deb wrote:
the mavs can't sign a good big man, they're over the cap with or without Brunson. The best they can do is sign Brunson and trade him... Signing him is the only option really.
Might as well sign and trade him to the Knicks or Pistons. Then you pray that you can package THJ, Bertans, or Dinwiddie with draft picks to anyone to get off their contract.
Not going to happen. But I will play devil’s advocate. Let’s say they do sign and trade Brunson to the Knicks or Pacers. First understand that he’s getting anywhere from $20M-$25M per season. What do the Knicks or Pacers have in return that the Mavs would want (that matches that salary)?
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