The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread

[TTP]

Doc sucks but also doesn't suck as much as we think.

I feel like we have been having the "bu-but the rotations doe" conversation for over twenty years lol.

And again if/when Doc leaves, the job will probably be MDAs for the taking. Not exactly a guy with a much better pedigree than Doc....also super old lol. Unless Jay Wright's retirement was an ironically Darryl esque move IDK if there is an obvious better coach that can take this team to the next level. Doc has relented and is playing BBall Paul. The two bad games were more on Harden not showing up and Embiid being in his feelings than anything Doc did or didn't do and the few adjustments Doc made in game 6 all worked out. He lowkey outcoached Nurse who is a better tactician (and complainer wakka wakka) but it seems like it simply comes down to talent at the end of the day at some point (Brett also outcoached him but I think I have strucken most of that series from memory lol).

Also continuity is super important too. Bud was on his way to getting fired prior to last years run for the Bucks....for a lot of the same issues Doc has lol. Doc is an old man stuck in his ways for sure and it would be nice to have a guy who can gameplan and all that fun stuff...but I think this core is beyond that and unless Biid wants him out...who cares at this stage. Lets focus on getting the rest of the roster up to snuff, rather than bringing in yet another coach to solve problems.

As far as I can tell, your arguments for why Doc isn’t that bad are:

1) He might have outcoached Nurse (with no explanation how), while at the same you say coaching doesn’t matter.

2) He relented to playing Paul Reed like 8 months after guys like me were begging for it.

3) Continuity for an old man stuck in his ways.

Am I missing anything? I feel like you made a lot of great points but came to the wrong conclusion.

[Murray_17]

Hiring him before hiring Morey remains a mistake.
Hiring him remains a mistake. Would love to see a move on this summer. Or a championship to prove me wrong.

This is the biggest issue.

Morey isn't gonna fire Doc because he was a part on bringing him here, that's why GM and Presidents pick coaches and not the reverse

[mjkvol]

Hiring him before hiring Morey remains a mistake.
Hiring him remains a mistake. Would love to see a move on this summer. Or a championship to prove me wrong.

This is the biggest issue.

Morey isn't gonna fire Doc because he was a part on bringing him here, that's why GM and Presidents pick coaches and to the reverse

If Morey was hired to run the basketball part of the organization, then it should be his decision as to when the coach is removed, unless Glenn's relationship with the owners precludes that.

It still probably comes down to how Embiid and Harden feel about him. Can't imagine a move would be made without them signing off on it.

[Mik317]

Doc sucks but also doesn't suck as much as we think.

I feel like we have been having the "bu-but the rotations doe" conversation for over twenty years lol.

And again if/when Doc leaves, the job will probably be MDAs for the taking. Not exactly a guy with a much better pedigree than Doc....also super old lol. Unless Jay Wright's retirement was an ironically Darryl esque move IDK if there is an obvious better coach that can take this team to the next level. Doc has relented and is playing BBall Paul. The two bad games were more on Harden not showing up and Embiid being in his feelings than anything Doc did or didn't do and the few adjustments Doc made in game 6 all worked out. He lowkey outcoached Nurse who is a better tactician (and complainer wakka wakka) but it seems like it simply comes down to talent at the end of the day at some point (Brett also outcoached him but I think I have strucken most of that series from memory lol).

Also continuity is super important too. Bud was on his way to getting fired prior to last years run for the Bucks....for a lot of the same issues Doc has lol. Doc is an old man stuck in his ways for sure and it would be nice to have a guy who can gameplan and all that fun stuff...but I think this core is beyond that and unless Biid wants him out...who cares at this stage. Lets focus on getting the rest of the roster up to snuff, rather than bringing in yet another coach to solve problems.

As far as I can tell, your arguments for why Doc isn’t that bad are:

1) He might have outcoached Nurse (with no explanation how), while at the same you say coaching doesn’t matter.

2) He relented to playing Paul Reed like 8 months after guys like me were begging for it.

3) Continuity for an old man stuck in his ways.

Am I missing anything? I feel like you made a lot of great points but came to the wrong conclusion.

I just be saying stuff sometimes lol

my main "point" was that this year at least Doc hasn't been the reason we lost.

and now he starts Jordan sooooooo

[brannigan73]

Im ready to run this clown out on a rail today. Two words. D'Andre Jordan.

[kingofthecourt67]

There was no reason not to try bassey a few minutes after we were down 15+. This man’s ego is wasting an MVP year.

[Foshan]

Jordan was -22 in 17 mins. that is impressive.

It would be sheer madness if Bassey didn't get at least 15 mins in the next game.

[TTP]

I think there's a legitimate argument that Greg Monroe would have been an upgrade over what DeAndre Jordan has given us this season. This is how far we've fallen under Doc.

[Zumramania]

“We talked to our guys,” said Rivers after the loss. “They wanted a big roller and I thought in the second half, that’s how he has to play every night. Those first four or five minutes were great from him. That’s what we need. We love Paul (Reed), but we don’t need Paul in foul trouble and that’s why you don’t wanna start him.”

Heading into Game 2, Rivers did reveal that the Sixers will continue to go to the veteran out of Texas A&M.

“We like DJ,” Rivers added. “We’re gonna keep starting him whether you like it or not. That’s what we’re gonna do because our guys believe in him. At halftime, we asked our key guys because we were thinking about it because I thought Paul Millsap gave us some decent minutes, and to a man, that’s where they wanted to go.”

Not only Doc, but also other players don't know who Bassey is? Or is he lying?

[mjkvol]

“We talked to our guys,” said Rivers after the loss. “They wanted a big roller and I thought in the second half, that’s how he has to play every night. Those first four or five minutes were great from him. That’s what we need. We love Paul (Reed), but we don’t need Paul in foul trouble and that’s why you don’t wanna start him.”

Heading into Game 2, Rivers did reveal that the Sixers will continue to go to the veteran out of Texas A&M.

“We like DJ,” Rivers added. “We’re gonna keep starting him whether you like it or not. That’s what we’re gonna do because our guys believe in him. At halftime, we asked our key guys because we were thinking about it because I thought Paul Millsap gave us some decent minutes, and to a man, that’s where they wanted to go.”

Not only Doc, but also other players don't know who Bassey is? Or is he lying?

I read his quotes and literally cringe. “We’re gonna keep starting him whether you like it or not." What even half assed coach talks to the media in such a pathetically defensive way? What other supposed HOF coach rationalizes playoff meltdowns in a post game PC?

Veteran players are always going to prefer a veteran player, that's why you're the coach, to make the hard decisions they won't or can't make. Just the fact that he places the onus of continually running a disaster like Jordan out there on "our guys" pretty much shows how petty and insecure he is, but he certainly takes credit for himself if a coaching move works out.

[phiphan]

At halftime, we asked our key guys because we were thinking about it because I thought Paul Millsap gave us some decent minutes, and to a man, that’s where they wanted to go.”

Wait so he made Harden and Tobi choose between DJ and Millsap??

[Jailblazers7]

Doc already dodging responsibility lol yeah we’re not winning this series fellas

[Skates]

I loved Milsap’s career, but other than using him as locker room steady hand and occasional enforcer when you need to send a hard physical message, he looks like a big guy plucked from the stands with not a shred of NBA athleticism left. Jordan can still jump a bit, but was never a high basketball IQ. Milsap’s mind in Jordan’s body would be a very serviceable vet big man, but that is not what we have.

[FireMorey]

Rivers has become a pile on target now. People don't like him so they just want to blame everything on him. There's nothing I loathe more than a pile on. Anyone can do it, it takes no balls. Rivers is not a great coach, but he gets way more blame than he deserves. Honestly, Morey has done a worse job as GM than Rivers has done as coach. I don't think an argument can even be made to the contrary.

Rivers coached the Sixers to the #1 seed last season with no legitimate perimeter go to scorer. He gets all the blame for blowing the Hawks series. Well, him and Simmons. The Sixers would've been the #1 seed again this season most likely if not for COVID.

The Sixers went up against a team in the playoffs that gave them trouble in the regular season in Toronto. A team many people picked the Sixers to lose to. And they crushed Toronto. Took 6 games, but in 3 of those games it was total domination. And they came out in game 6 and smoked them. People blame Rivers for the team coming out flat in games 4 and 5. More than Embiid moping and sulking and playing two horrible games in a row.

Then Embiid gets hurt... people blame Rivers for that too. For an injury. Once people started doing that, I was like ok now it's gotten to the point of absurdity where people are just going to blame him on everything. Rather than blaming Embiid for not showing up in game 4 because he has a booboo on his hand and imposing his will like true superstars do and closing the series out in game 4 where Toronto played like crap, Rivers gets the blame on a fluke play in game 6.

And now Rivers is getting the blame for playing DeAndre Jordan, when the GM gave him no viable bench options to put on the court this year. Morey signed Jordan. He didn't have to, even if Rivers requested it. Morey is Rivers' boss, not the other way around. And Morey made the trade for Harden and he's not producing like he'd have hoped. The reason you trade for a guy like Harden is precisely for situations like last night. If Embiid gets hurt, you get a superstar to carry you for a game or two. But Morey traded for a guy who can't do it right now. He should've known this, that's his job. But his love of Harden blinded him to that and even if Harden is still hurt, Morey still made that trade knowing he acquired a hurt player dealing with hamstring issues.

Doc isn't without blame. He deserves his share. But when he becomes a scapegoat for all the team's issues, I'm going to defend the guy. And now the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction to where he's getting way too much blame and has now become underrated instead of overrated. And it's starting to get really annoying, honestly. Part of me wants to see him get extended just so I can see all the people who hate Rivers this much go into meltdown mode.

[Zumramania]

a) DAJ would be ok in this situation if he would have been given 5 minutes, not 17 minutes. I don't think that Morey thought that Doc is going to mindlessly prefer him over more enthusiastic and better performing younger players. As a backup of a backup who played under Doc, DAJ is an ok signing, especially if nothing better was available. If Morey really thought that Rivers was such a stubborn fool that he was going to play DAJ no matter what, he would not have signed him, but I don't think that was the premise, at least not back then.

b) If they lose against Miami, so two unimpressive second round exits in a row, who really cares about the regular season? He has the best assistant coaches in the league, who design great offensive and defensive schemes that make this team good in the regular season, but in the playoffs his rigidity and bad rotations mess us up.

c) Clipper fans hated Doc as well with the same arguments that we have. There are numerous articles detailing his playoff meltdowns. He's pretty unique in that, as stats such as the number of missed closeout opportunities show.

d) Great if you want to see him extended, this means that you want Embiid to never win a ring. With everything that we know about Morey, it will be weird if he doesn't fire Doc.

[phiphan]

I bet Sean Marks laughed his ass off when he sent DJ to us. He knew Doc could not resist touching the fire.

[FireMorey]

a) DAJ would be ok in this situation if he would have been given 5 minutes, not 17 minutes. I don't think that Morey thought that Doc is going to mindlessly prefer him over more enthusiastic and better performing younger players. As a backup of a backup who played under Doc, DAJ is an ok signing, especially if nothing better was available. If Morey really thought that Rivers was such a stubborn fool that he was going to play DAJ no matter what, he would not have signed him, but I don't think that was the premise, at least not back then.

b) If they lose against Miami, so two unimpressive second round exits in a row, who really cares about the regular season? He has the best assistant coaches in the league, who design great offensive and defensive schemes that make this team good in the regular season, but in the playoffs his rigidity and bad rotations mess us up.

c) Clipper fans hated Doc as well with the same arguments that we have. There are numerous articles detailing his playoff meltdowns. He's pretty unique in that, as stats such as the number of missed closeout opportunities show.

d) Great if you want to see him extended, this means that you want Embiid to never win a ring. With everything that we know about Morey, it will be weird if he doesn't fire Doc.

A) So you’re saying a GM doesn’t know the plans of his coach? I don’t think that’s true, I think he knew very well, but if he didn’t then he’s not doing his job as Rivers’ boss. And if Jordan isn’t good enough to more than only play a couple minutes, he shouldn’t be handed a roster spot. That’s on Morey.

B) Losing to the #1 seed without Embiid is not “unimpressive” if they lose. And how do you know he has the best assistant coaches in the league? You just made that up lol. You’re proving my point for me. Right there you just gave all the credit to their success to the assistants but put all the failures on him for his “rotations” which don’t win and lose games anyway.

C) So Rivers melted down, but not the players? Once again, all Rivers’ fault. Never the players. Last time I checked Blake Griffin and Chris Paul didn’t go on to win a title without Doc Rivers either.

D) if they fire Doc. They’re hiring D’Antoni who’s never won anything. And if you want the Sixers to win a ring, they can start by finding a way to keep the best player who always gets hurt healthy. And getting a legit superstar perimeter scorer for the first time since Embiid has been here, because right now Harden is not it.

[Murray_17]

Rivers has become a pile on target now. People don't like him so they just want to blame everything on him. There's nothing I loathe more than a pile on. Anyone can do it, it takes no balls. Rivers is not a great coach, but he gets way more blame than he deserves. Honestly, Morey has done a worse job as GM than Rivers has done as coach. I don't think an argument can even be made to the contrary.

Rivers coached the Sixers to the #1 seed last season with no legitimate perimeter go to scorer. He gets all the blame for blowing the Hawks series. Well, him and Simmons. The Sixers would've been the #1 seed again this season most likely if not for COVID.

The Sixers went up against a team in the playoffs that gave them trouble in the regular season in Toronto. A team many people picked the Sixers to lose to. And they crushed Toronto. Took 6 games, but in 3 of those games it was total domination. And they came out in game 6 and smoked them. People blame Rivers for the team coming out flat in games 4 and 5. More than Embiid moping and sulking and playing two horrible games in a row.

Then Embiid gets hurt... people blame Rivers for that too. For an injury. Once people started doing that, I was like ok now it's gotten to the point of absurdity where people are just going to blame him on everything. Rather than blaming Embiid for not showing up in game 4 because he has a booboo on his hand and imposing his will like true superstars do and closing the series out in game 4 where Toronto played like crap, Rivers gets the blame on a fluke play in game 6.

And now Rivers is getting the blame for playing DeAndre Jordan, when the GM gave him no viable bench options to put on the court this year. Morey signed Jordan. He didn't have to, even if Rivers requested it. Morey is Rivers' boss, not the other way around. And Morey made the trade for Harden and he's not producing like he'd have hoped. The reason you trade for a guy like Harden is precisely for situations like last night. If Embiid gets hurt, you get a superstar to carry you for a game or two. But Morey traded for a guy who can't do it right now. He should've known this, that's his job. But his love of Harden blinded him to that and even if Harden is still hurt, Morey still made that trade knowing he acquired a hurt player dealing with hamstring issues.

Doc isn't without blame. He deserves his share. But when he becomes a scapegoat for all the team's issues, I'm going to defend the guy. And now the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction to where he's getting way too much blame and has now become underrated instead of overrated. And it's starting to get really annoying, honestly. Part of me wants to see him get extended just so I can see all the people who hate Rivers this much go into meltdown mode.

So, Morey didn't need to listento Rivers if he requested DJ but now that Rivers is actually playing DJ is not his fault?

The logic, men...

[FireMorey]

Rivers has become a pile on target now. People don't like him so they just want to blame everything on him. There's nothing I loathe more than a pile on. Anyone can do it, it takes no balls. Rivers is not a great coach, but he gets way more blame than he deserves. Honestly, Morey has done a worse job as GM than Rivers has done as coach. I don't think an argument can even be made to the contrary.

Rivers coached the Sixers to the #1 seed last season with no legitimate perimeter go to scorer. He gets all the blame for blowing the Hawks series. Well, him and Simmons. The Sixers would've been the #1 seed again this season most likely if not for COVID.

The Sixers went up against a team in the playoffs that gave them trouble in the regular season in Toronto. A team many people picked the Sixers to lose to. And they crushed Toronto. Took 6 games, but in 3 of those games it was total domination. And they came out in game 6 and smoked them. People blame Rivers for the team coming out flat in games 4 and 5. More than Embiid moping and sulking and playing two horrible games in a row.

Then Embiid gets hurt... people blame Rivers for that too. For an injury. Once people started doing that, I was like ok now it's gotten to the point of absurdity where people are just going to blame him on everything. Rather than blaming Embiid for not showing up in game 4 because he has a booboo on his hand and imposing his will like true superstars do and closing the series out in game 4 where Toronto played like crap, Rivers gets the blame on a fluke play in game 6.

And now Rivers is getting the blame for playing DeAndre Jordan, when the GM gave him no viable bench options to put on the court this year. Morey signed Jordan. He didn't have to, even if Rivers requested it. Morey is Rivers' boss, not the other way around. And Morey made the trade for Harden and he's not producing like he'd have hoped. The reason you trade for a guy like Harden is precisely for situations like last night. If Embiid gets hurt, you get a superstar to carry you for a game or two. But Morey traded for a guy who can't do it right now. He should've known this, that's his job. But his love of Harden blinded him to that and even if Harden is still hurt, Morey still made that trade knowing he acquired a hurt player dealing with hamstring issues.

Doc isn't without blame. He deserves his share. But when he becomes a scapegoat for all the team's issues, I'm going to defend the guy. And now the pendulum has swung completely in the other direction to where he's getting way too much blame and has now become underrated instead of overrated. And it's starting to get really annoying, honestly. Part of me wants to see him get extended just so I can see all the people who hate Rivers this much go into meltdown mode.

So, Morey didn't need to listento Rivers if he requested DJ but now that Rivers is actually playing DJ is not his fault?

The logic, men...

You’re straw manning again. I never said Rivers isn’t at fault for playing Jordan. He shouldn’t be playing. You completely ignored where I said Rivers is not without blame. He deserves some blame. Some. He’s not the biggest reason they lost game one. You’re blinded by your hate for Rivers that you can’t look at the situation objectively at all.

[Murray_17]

You’re straw manning again. I never said Rivers isn’t at fault for playing Jordan. He shouldn’t be playing. You completely ignored where I said Rivers is not without blame. He deserves some blame. Some. He’s not the biggest reason they lost game one. You’re blinded by your hate for Rivers that you can’t look at the situation objectively at all.

You wrote 4 extensive paragraphs about Rivers being witch hunted but i'm not being objective?