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Jamaaliver wrote:None of those options are particularly viable. We'd have to get into a bidding war for any of those guys (except Gobert or Simmons).
Thoughts on moving Gallinari and a draft pick for Jerami Grant?
He'd provide depth and toughness at SF/PF. He's at least a two way player, and he's been humbled after being the top player on a bad franchise for years now.
CP War Hawks wrote:I don't think the Hawks should take in Gobert even if they just want salary relief. Trae making 30, RG making 40, it's just too much uncertainty if you need to get rid of him if it doesn't work out.
Something like Capela, Gallo, future 1st non lotto nothing more. It's a good infusion of interesting 7 footers coming into the draft these days.
Bleacher ReportHornets Move Gordon Hayward for Wing, Center Help
Charlotte Hornets Receive: F/C John Collins, G/F Kevin Huerter
Atlanta Hawks Receive: F Gordon Hayward, F/C P.J. Washington, 2022 first-round pick (No. 15 overall, via New Orleans Pelicans)
Hayward is a terrific player when healthy, but durability continues to be an issue for the 32-year-old, as he's played in more than 52 games just once over the past five years. Owed nearly $62 million over the next two years, the Hornets should be exploring trade options, especially with Kelly Oubre Jr. available to step in off the bench in Hayward's place.
The Hornets need help in the frontcourt, especially at the center position. While not a true center, Collins has spent a fair amount of time playing the 5 for Atlanta and is a terrific athlete who can keep the floor spread.
On a Hawks team that's continued to add talent the past few years, Collins' shot attempts and scoring have decreased each of the last three seasons. He would be a dream fit as a pick-and-roll lob threat playing next to LaMelo Ball and could start at center over Mason Plumlee. Even in a smaller role, the 24-year-old still averaged 16.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.0 blocks and hit 36.4 percent of his threes for Atlanta.
Huerter could start at shooting guard for the Hornets in a supersized 6'7" backcourt next to Ball or become the team's sixth man.
For Atlanta, adding Hayward gives the team a much-needed ball-handler outside of Trae Young to draw some defensive attention. His injuries are a concern, of course, meaning Charlotte would have to sweeten the deal. Washington, 23, would become the Hawks' new starter at power forward and has averaged 12.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 1.0 blocks and 37.3 percent shooting from three in 146 career starts.
The Hornets send a 2022 first owed from the Pelicans (15th overall) to complete the trade, relieving them of Hayward's salary and helping improve the frontcourt.
CP War Hawks wrote:I don't think the Hawks should take in Gobert even if they just want salary relief. Trae making 30, RG making 40, it's just too much uncertainty if you need to get rid of him if it doesn't work out.
Something like Capela, Gallo, future 1st non lotto nothing more. It's a good infusion of interesting 7 footers coming into the draft these days.
Jamaaliver wrote:Meh. This is the kind of asset grabbing deal we'd pull together to do a superstar trade later.
If we did this, we'd have Capela, Gallinari, Hunter and 3 first round picks to offer a team for their star. Might be enough for Anthony Davis, Pascal Siakam, SGA or Ayton.Bleacher ReportHornets Move Gordon Hayward for Wing, Center Help
Charlotte Hornets Receive: F/C John Collins, G/F Kevin Huerter
Atlanta Hawks Receive: F Gordon Hayward, F/C P.J. Washington, 2022 first-round pick (No. 15 overall, via New Orleans Pelicans)
Hayward is a terrific player when healthy, but durability continues to be an issue for the 32-year-old, as he's played in more than 52 games just once over the past five years. Owed nearly $62 million over the next two years, the Hornets should be exploring trade options, especially with Kelly Oubre Jr. available to step in off the bench in Hayward's place.
The Hornets need help in the frontcourt, especially at the center position. While not a true center, Collins has spent a fair amount of time playing the 5 for Atlanta and is a terrific athlete who can keep the floor spread.
On a Hawks team that's continued to add talent the past few years, Collins' shot attempts and scoring have decreased each of the last three seasons. He would be a dream fit as a pick-and-roll lob threat playing next to LaMelo Ball and could start at center over Mason Plumlee. Even in a smaller role, the 24-year-old still averaged 16.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.0 blocks and hit 36.4 percent of his threes for Atlanta.
Huerter could start at shooting guard for the Hornets in a supersized 6'7" backcourt next to Ball or become the team's sixth man.
For Atlanta, adding Hayward gives the team a much-needed ball-handler outside of Trae Young to draw some defensive attention. His injuries are a concern, of course, meaning Charlotte would have to sweeten the deal. Washington, 23, would become the Hawks' new starter at power forward and has averaged 12.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 1.0 blocks and 37.3 percent shooting from three in 146 career starts.
The Hornets send a 2022 first owed from the Pelicans (15th overall) to complete the trade, relieving them of Hayward's salary and helping improve the frontcourt.
Jamaaliver wrote:Meh. This is the kind of asset grabbing deal we'd pull together to do a superstar trade later.
If we did this, we'd have Capela, Gallinari, Hunter and 3 first round picks to offer a team for their star. Might be enough for Anthony Davis, Pascal Siakam, SGA or Ayton.Bleacher ReportHornets Move Gordon Hayward for Wing, Center Help
Charlotte Hornets Receive: F/C John Collins, G/F Kevin Huerter
Atlanta Hawks Receive: F Gordon Hayward, F/C P.J. Washington, 2022 first-round pick (No. 15 overall, via New Orleans Pelicans)
Hayward is a terrific player when healthy, but durability continues to be an issue for the 32-year-old, as he's played in more than 52 games just once over the past five years. Owed nearly $62 million over the next two years, the Hornets should be exploring trade options, especially with Kelly Oubre Jr. available to step in off the bench in Hayward's place.
The Hornets need help in the frontcourt, especially at the center position. While not a true center, Collins has spent a fair amount of time playing the 5 for Atlanta and is a terrific athlete who can keep the floor spread.
On a Hawks team that's continued to add talent the past few years, Collins' shot attempts and scoring have decreased each of the last three seasons. He would be a dream fit as a pick-and-roll lob threat playing next to LaMelo Ball and could start at center over Mason Plumlee. Even in a smaller role, the 24-year-old still averaged 16.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.0 blocks and hit 36.4 percent of his threes for Atlanta.
Huerter could start at shooting guard for the Hornets in a supersized 6'7" backcourt next to Ball or become the team's sixth man.
For Atlanta, adding Hayward gives the team a much-needed ball-handler outside of Trae Young to draw some defensive attention. His injuries are a concern, of course, meaning Charlotte would have to sweeten the deal. Washington, 23, would become the Hawks' new starter at power forward and has averaged 12.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 1.0 blocks and 37.3 percent shooting from three in 146 career starts.
The Hornets send a 2022 first owed from the Pelicans (15th overall) to complete the trade, relieving them of Hayward's salary and helping improve the frontcourt.
Bleacher ReportTrade Ideas for Every Eliminated 2022 NBA Playoff Team
The Trade: Clint Capela and John Collins to Utah for Rudy Gobert and Nickeil Alexander-Walker
The Hawks are headed nowhere fast as long as they're unable to beef up their 26th-ranked defense. If anyone can coax even league-average defense out of a Trae Young-led roster, it's an all-galaxy anchor like Gobert, who finished third in Defensive Player of the Year voting after earning the honor in three of the previous four seasons.
Offensively, Gobert could slide right into the same screen-and-roll duties handled by Capela. Gobert ranked among the 83rd percentile of pick-and-roll screeners; Capela, who had a more dynamic creator in Young than anyone Gobert played alongside in Utah, was in the 87th percentile. So, while this would be a defense-driven trade, it's possible for Atlanta's offense to come out ahead, too, particularly if whoever replaces Collins offers more shot-creation.
Alexander-Walker can't have much trade value after failing to crack the regular rotation following his deadline move to Salt Lake City, but he's still a 23-year-old who has flashed an ignitable scoring punch. Given this attack's struggles to function without Young (10.0 points worse per 100 possessions), it's possible to picture the Hawks thinking Alexander-Walker might help there.
As for Utah, this is the type of trade its decision-makers could pursue if it deems major changes are necessary, and Donovan Mitchell expresses a willingness to stick around. Check both boxes, and Utah would find a ready-made replacement for Gobert in Capela, plus a scoring (and spacing) forward in Collins who might climb as high as No. 2 on the offensive pecking order.
raleigh wrote:Instead, Capela/Huerter/picks makes way more sense and is probably as competitive an offer as most teams would be willing to make. You then have the option to trade JC for a better fit or just ride it out for a year to see what you've got.
atlantabbq99 wrote:^ I don't want any part of Gobert. He is a role player but gets paid like Giannis. Gobert is not an upgrade over Cap and his $40 mill per year contract is literally the worst in all pro sports.
Jamaaliver wrote:Do you honestly believe that John Collins is more valuable on the court or in trade than Kevin Huerter plus multiple picks?
raleigh wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Do you honestly believe that John Collins is more valuable on the court or in trade than Kevin Huerter plus multiple picks?
Yes, without hesitation. Those picks are mid-firsts.
Jamaaliver wrote:I honestly believe Travis could get a long term replacement for any of those guys with the #16 pick.
raleigh wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:I honestly believe Travis could get a long term replacement for any of those guys with the #16 pick.
Maybe. Maybe not. The draft is a crapshoot. (You know this, which is you left out Hunter and Reddish).
Schlenk is not afraid to trade mid-first rounders. You'll recall that it was a mid-first that was used to acquire Capela in the first place.
Jamaaliver wrote:Meh. This is the kind of asset grabbing deal we'd pull together to do a superstar trade later.
If we did this, we'd have Capela, Gallinari, Hunter and 3 first round picks to offer a team for their star. Might be enough for Anthony Davis, Pascal Siakam, SGA or Ayton.Bleacher ReportHornets Move Gordon Hayward for Wing, Center Help
Charlotte Hornets Receive: F/C John Collins, G/F Kevin Huerter
Atlanta Hawks Receive: F Gordon Hayward, F/C P.J. Washington, 2022 first-round pick (No. 15 overall, via New Orleans Pelicans)
Hayward is a terrific player when healthy, but durability continues to be an issue for the 32-year-old, as he's played in more than 52 games just once over the past five years. Owed nearly $62 million over the next two years, the Hornets should be exploring trade options, especially with Kelly Oubre Jr. available to step in off the bench in Hayward's place.
The Hornets need help in the frontcourt, especially at the center position. While not a true center, Collins has spent a fair amount of time playing the 5 for Atlanta and is a terrific athlete who can keep the floor spread.
On a Hawks team that's continued to add talent the past few years, Collins' shot attempts and scoring have decreased each of the last three seasons. He would be a dream fit as a pick-and-roll lob threat playing next to LaMelo Ball and could start at center over Mason Plumlee. Even in a smaller role, the 24-year-old still averaged 16.2 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.0 blocks and hit 36.4 percent of his threes for Atlanta.
Huerter could start at shooting guard for the Hornets in a supersized 6'7" backcourt next to Ball or become the team's sixth man.
For Atlanta, adding Hayward gives the team a much-needed ball-handler outside of Trae Young to draw some defensive attention. His injuries are a concern, of course, meaning Charlotte would have to sweeten the deal. Washington, 23, would become the Hawks' new starter at power forward and has averaged 12.3 points, 5.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.0 steals, 1.0 blocks and 37.3 percent shooting from three in 146 career starts.
The Hornets send a 2022 first owed from the Pelicans (15th overall) to complete the trade, relieving them of Hayward's salary and helping improve the frontcourt.
