Jalen Brunson obsession

[RHODEY]

Once you have Gobert's level of already-signed salary kicking around this is quite a lot easier that just a striaght Brunson for Mitch type deal. So Gobert to the Mavs (and the Mavs23FRP from NYK), Brunson and Bertans to the Knicks and Mitch, Rose* and Fournier to Utah works. I'm not sure I love that from the Mavs's pov - trying to slot in Mitch rather than Gobert would seem a better option to me .. but ok, the team are rumoured to be chasing him and the better Mavs forums are discussing it (worriedly, perhaps, after the Jazz-Mavs series).

* Can substitute Cam and Kemba salary wise for Rose, if preferred.

Not sure I love it from a Knicks perspective...and I really like Brunson, but we lose Mitch, Rose and a first rounder AND we have to take a bad really contract?

I see that pov. I'm just kicking some ideas around - in this one just responding the thebuzzardman's asking was this kind of a deal (with Brunson to NYK, Gobert to Dallas and Mitch to the Mavs) possible under the CBA. One thing to note is that it's pretty unclear, at least to me, how much influence the Knicks will have over Mitch and whether they would be able to re-sign him and/or S&T him. If I was Mitch I would want out all things financial being even.

One difficulty is that the Jazz only have 11 players under contract come July 1st, so it's difficult to make small adjustments. For example, maybe the Knicks would like Dinwiddie (who had a good end to the regular season in Dallas) instead of Bertans. But Dinwiddie' unlikely bonuses have just become likely since Dallas made the second round of the playoffs, so his salary (for cap purposes) is )on 1st July) $20.5m - rather than the headline $18m figure). That means that Utah would have to send another ~$2.5m salary to Dallas (in order for the Knicks to get Dinwiddie rather than Bertans). But then they are scuffling around to try to find that - maybe they could send Jared Butler and Azuibuike - ~$3.6m or NAW - $5m - but then they losing players. But that is a possibility. Of course, one can play endlessly.

Right i get it, just looking at the possibilities. I hope we dump randle first.When you get the chance check out the trade thread and tell me what you think.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Once you have Gobert's level of already-signed salary kicking around this is quite a lot easier that just a striaght Brunson for Mitch type deal. So Gobert to the Mavs (and the Mavs23FRP from NYK), Brunson and Bertans to the Knicks and Mitch, Rose* and Fournier to Utah works. I'm not sure I love that from the Mavs's pov - trying to slot in Mitch rather than Gobert would seem a better option to me .. but ok, the team are rumoured to be chasing him and the better Mavs forums are discussing it (worriedly, perhaps, after the Jazz-Mavs series).

* Can substitute Cam and Kemba salary wise for Rose, if preferred.

Not sure I love it from a Knicks perspective...and I really like Brunson, but we lose Mitch, Rose and a first rounder AND we have to take a bad really contract?

I'd agree.

The only scenario where it makes "sense" for the Knicks is that they like the idea of building around RJ and Randle (Hi Chanel!) and want to add Brunson, and feel that IQ can play the additional PG minutes and see some time in the wing rotation with Grimes/Fournier/RJ - thereby making Rose "obsolete"

Would suck a bit to trade Cam as I like his potential still and is the only tall-ish SF type the Knicks currently have.
And that the Knicks are not enthusiastic about paying Mitch 15/16 million a year for 3 years, or value it less than Brunson, or Brunson plus pushing up at tax apron of the cap.
Then the Knicks use the 11th pick to address C depth again if there is a lack of comfort going with Randle/Obi too much or they feel the need to have another young C with Sims for when Noel goes away, hopefully sooner than later.
Or, the Knicks replace Cam with a rangy SF and live with Noel/Sims for a year, or even use the larger MLE on a vet C

But year, Rose, Mitch, Cam and a pick are a lot for Brunson AND carrying Bertrans sh*tty contract.

I see BXetc put in Kemba/Cam instead of Rose. That might work.

Dallas gets Gobert, pick back, Cam, Kemba (who they cut)
Jazz get Mitch and something
Knicks get Brunson and the crappy contract of Bertrans

Sorry, I kind of lost track of the trade scenarios, so not sure I put forth something completely impossible.

It's all just for fun anyway, Knicks aren't getting a single good player this offseason. Not in a trade, nor as a FA and not in the draft. Because Knicks.

Sure, some of this is going to look pretty off-beat in retrospect. But anyway, just a couple of things.

As you noticed somewhere in the middle of your post - in this scenario of Mitch to Utah, Gobert to Dall and Brunson to NYK, I wasn't positing both Rose and Cam to go along with Mitch - just one of them (and Kemba for pure salary reasons if its Cam). Also, its the Jazz who get everything from the Knicks (including the Dal23FRP). What Dallas gets is Gobert and just him. One has to add more salary all around if you want the Mavs to get anything besides Gobert.

Secondly, as I've just said in another post, I'm not at all sure the Knicks have much if any control over what Mitch does this summer. And if I was him I would want out if it didn't mean losing money.

Thirdly, who knows what kind of physical shape Rose will be in in the next two years? Is that 30m/2 going to look like a good deal or is he going to spend most of the time on the physio's table? But, moreover, Rose should be redundant with Brunson starting and IQ/McBride/2022FRP-if-PG backing up. Maybe not if just adding Brunson and a fit Rose is enough to make the Knicks contenders. But do we really believe that. Further, as I suggested to Rhodey, maybe the deal could be for Dinwiddie instead of Bertans. But maybe that makes the deal too favourable to the Knicks. Idk. that would be part of the bargaining.

Finally, Cam is just a project who hasn't worked out yet.

So, putting it all together, I don't really see this as the Knicks giving up all that much.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Not sure I love it from a Knicks perspective...and I really like Brunson, but we lose Mitch, Rose and a first rounder AND we have to take a bad really contract?

I see that pov. I'm just kicking some ideas around - in this one just responding the thebuzzardman's asking was this kind of a deal (with Brunson to NYK, Gobert to Dallas and Mitch to the Mavs) possible under the CBA. One thing to note is that it's pretty unclear, at least to me, how much influence the Knicks will have over Mitch and whether they would be able to re-sign him and/or S&T him. If I was Mitch I would want out all things financial being even.

One difficulty is that the Jazz only have 11 players under contract come July 1st, so it's difficult to make small adjustments. For example, maybe the Knicks would like Dinwiddie (who had a good end to the regular season in Dallas) instead of Bertans. But Dinwiddie' unlikely bonuses have just become likely since Dallas made the second round of the playoffs, so his salary (for cap purposes) is )on 1st July) $20.5m - rather than the headline $18m figure). That means that Utah would have to send another ~$2.5m salary to Dallas (in order for the Knicks to get Dinwiddie rather than Bertans). But then they are scuffling around to try to find that - maybe they could send Jared Butler and Azuibuike - ~$3.6m or NAW - $5m - but then they losing players. But that is a possibility. Of course, one can play endlessly.

Right i get it, just looking at the possibilities. I hope we dump randle first.When you get the chance check out the trade thread and tell me what you think.

Sure. Let me check it out. What do you want me to look at? Your post on Randle for Bledsoe and Little? Or somewhere else? I haven't really kept up with that thread.

[sol537]

1) Mitch Robinson (S&T) + Dallas' 1st back to them for Brunson @ $22m per
2) Randle + RJ + Fournier to Utah for Spida + filler
3) Rose to CHI for a late 1st
4) Tyus Jones @ MLE

Brunson / Tyus Jones / McBride
Spida / IQ / Grimes
Cam / Burks
Obi / Draftee
Sims / Noel

~50 wins. Stepping Stone.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

1) Mitch Robinson (S&T) + Dallas' 1st back to them for Brunson @ $22m per
2) Randle + RJ + Fournier to Utah for Spida + filler
3) Rose to CHI for a late 1st
4) Tyus Jones @ MLE

Brunson / Tyus Jones / McBride
Spida / IQ / Grimes
Cam / Burks
Obi / Draftee
Sims / Noel

~50 wins. Stepping Stone.

That is a terrible team man, with a tiny backcourt.

[Galou]

I hope the Knicks keep Quickley & Mcbride.

[RHODEY]

I see that pov. I'm just kicking some ideas around - in this one just responding the thebuzzardman's asking was this kind of a deal (with Brunson to NYK, Gobert to Dallas and Mitch to the Mavs) possible under the CBA. One thing to note is that it's pretty unclear, at least to me, how much influence the Knicks will have over Mitch and whether they would be able to re-sign him and/or S&T him. If I was Mitch I would want out all things financial being even.

One difficulty is that the Jazz only have 11 players under contract come July 1st, so it's difficult to make small adjustments. For example, maybe the Knicks would like Dinwiddie (who had a good end to the regular season in Dallas) instead of Bertans. But Dinwiddie' unlikely bonuses have just become likely since Dallas made the second round of the playoffs, so his salary (for cap purposes) is )on 1st July) $20.5m - rather than the headline $18m figure). That means that Utah would have to send another ~$2.5m salary to Dallas (in order for the Knicks to get Dinwiddie rather than Bertans). But then they are scuffling around to try to find that - maybe they could send Jared Butler and Azuibuike - ~$3.6m or NAW - $5m - but then they losing players. But that is a possibility. Of course, one can play endlessly.

Right i get it, just looking at the possibilities. I hope we dump randle first.When you get the chance check out the trade thread and tell me what you think.

Sure. Let me check it out. What do you want me to look at? Your post on Randle for Bledsoe and Little? Or somewhere else? I haven't really kept up with that thread.

Yeah that trade..I just want to dump randle, while freeing cap space and getting a better pick in the process.

[TheGreenArrow]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnixtapeH20]

Quick let's all use no perspective and blast Brunson for finally having an off game

[KnixtapeH20]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No we didn't lol yall can't help making up storylines arrow... IT'S WHAT YOU DO THAT'S JUST WHO YOU ARE

There was no report, it's all been speculation just as this is. Yall get a morsel of info n run with it lol. It was never confirmed he even wanted or didn't wanna come here

[BBALLER4FR]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a typical Knicks offseason.

Knicks won't budge in the draft.
Brunson will re-sign with Dallas.
The Jazz will choose to move Gobert and keep Mitchell.
Zion will sing an extension .
Mitch will walk.
The Knicks will be stuck with every bad contract the hucksters frauded the fan with
Randle will still be starting
RJ will be forced into the your turn/my turn offense Thibs loves
Obi will either be traded or again be forced into the Randle stunt man role.
....and Noel will be preparing to be our starter

Rose
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Noah


LET'S F*CKING GET THIS OVER WITH ALREADY!!

[gavran]

1) Mitch Robinson (S&T) + Dallas' 1st back to them for Brunson @ $22m per
2) Randle + RJ + Fournier to Utah for Spida + filler
3) Rose to CHI for a late 1st
4) Tyus Jones @ MLE

Brunson / Tyus Jones / McBride
Spida / IQ / Grimes
Cam / Burks
Obi / Draftee
Sims / Noel

~50 wins. Stepping Stone.

50 wins for the next 2 seasons. Combined.

[TheGreenArrow]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a typical Knicks offseason.

Knicks won't budge in the draft.
Brunson will re-sign with Dallas.
The Jazz will choose to move Gobert and keep Mitchell.
Zion will sing an extension .
Mitch will walk.
The Knicks will be stuck with every bad contract the hucksters frauded the fan with
Randle will still be starting
RJ will be forced into the your turn/my turn offense Thibs loves
Obi will either be traded or again be forced into the Randle stunt man role.
....and Noel will be preparing to be our starter

Rose
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Noah


LET'S F*CKING GET THIS OVER WITH ALREADY!!

And that may be the end for me!!!!!!

Or I’ll at least take a year off from watching this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way I subject myself to that crap again this year!

None!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a typical Knicks offseason.

Knicks won't budge in the draft.
Brunson will re-sign with Dallas.
The Jazz will choose to move Gobert and keep Mitchell.
Zion will sing an extension .
Mitch will walk.
The Knicks will be stuck with every bad contract the hucksters frauded the fan with
Randle will still be starting
RJ will be forced into the your turn/my turn offense Thibs loves
Obi will either be traded or again be forced into the Randle stunt man role.
....and Noel will be preparing to be our starter

Rose
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Noah


LET'S F*CKING GET THIS OVER WITH ALREADY!!

And that may be the end for me!!!!!!

Or I’ll at least take a year off from watching this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way I subject myself to that crap again this year!

None!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok. But before you go can you at least release Shamms from your basement dungeon?
Thanks in advance.

[dakomish23]

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Fairer? dumb

[Kampuchea]

I'm feeling a hedge from Brunson to D-Lo may be in order. Brunson sure may be better but this is a clear "Buy high" and D-Lo is a "buy low"

He is also just 26.

Not sure what Minny would want in return. Burks or Rose may need to go as they would want a ball handler back. Would they look at Towns at PF and Mitch at C? Do they need a shooter like Fournier?

I wouldn't give them much for him, he struggled and is a UFA next season.

[KnicksNext]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a typical Knicks offseason.

Knicks won't budge in the draft.
Brunson will re-sign with Dallas.
The Jazz will choose to move Gobert and keep Mitchell.
Zion will sing an extension .
Mitch will walk.
The Knicks will be stuck with every bad contract the hucksters frauded the fan with
Randle will still be starting
RJ will be forced into the your turn/my turn offense Thibs loves
Obi will either be traded or again be forced into the Randle stunt man role.
....and Noel will be preparing to be our starter

Rose
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Noah


LET'S F*CKING GET THIS OVER WITH ALREADY!!

This sounds about right, sadly. This FO thinks Randle can 'turn it around' and they believe in Thibs. And if Thibs is staying, there is no reason to believe it won't be more of the same. They sign another 'big FA signing' ala Founier, and add another washed up player pretending this player will recover the magic from years past ( ala Kemba).

Then they'll trade down in the draft to pick up another 2nd rounder or two. Oh, forgot.. and give RJ 185M as well. This is my expectation. Good times as always. Can't wait!

[KnicksNext]

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It looks like we’ve been grant hilled Again Folksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leon rose and co can’t even get the c-list Free Agents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be a typical Knicks offseason.

Knicks won't budge in the draft.
Brunson will re-sign with Dallas.
The Jazz will choose to move Gobert and keep Mitchell.
Zion will sing an extension .
Mitch will walk.
The Knicks will be stuck with every bad contract the hucksters frauded the fan with
Randle will still be starting
RJ will be forced into the your turn/my turn offense Thibs loves
Obi will either be traded or again be forced into the Randle stunt man role.
....and Noel will be preparing to be our starter

Rose
Fournier
RJ
Randle
Noah

you'll be back
LET'S F*CKING GET THIS OVER WITH ALREADY!!

And that may be the end for me!!!!!!

Or I’ll at least take a year off from watching this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No way I subject myself to that crap again this year!

None!!!!!!!!!!!

[KnicksNext]

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Fairer? dumb

I could totally see this happening too. Brognan will be our next 'star' next to Randle.

[KnicksNext]

I'm feeling a hedge from Brunson to D-Lo may be in order. Brunson sure may be better but this is a clear "Buy high" and D-Lo is a "buy low"

He is also just 26.

Not sure what Minny would want in return. Burks or Rose may need to go as they would want a ball handler back. Would they look at Towns at PF and Mitch at C? Do they need a shooter like Fournier?

I wouldn't give them much for him, he struggled and is a UFA next season.

I'm sure the TWolves would love to dump Russell. I don't think they believe he's the third cog on their championship team. They are runnin with Ant/KAT as the duo, and will look to add a third star to those two.

I don't care that Russell is 26, he's not that good and has a poor attitude. Actually, he would be a perfect fit with Randle's attitude, so maybe this is the move.