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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#81 » by MalagaBulls » Tue May 3, 2022 5:02 pm

Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#82 » by tamaraw08 » Tue May 3, 2022 5:12 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266780/Wolves-Expected-To-Pursue-DAngelo-Russell-Trade

Bring dlo home? i think magic made a huge mistake trading him away. He was exciting to watch as a Lakers. I think all this getting bounced around has killed his confidence. I think he would've done better in the memphis series if the offense was ran through him more. The way Towns and Edwards attack, they like to force issues against 3 or 4 defenders. They barely pass back out. Dlo just standing around in the corner and wait for a pass sometimes that don't even come. I think the knock on him was consistency and that he can't play d. I think his d improved this yr. He also shown that in his allstar bklyn season. If not, maybe Lakers can make a trade for Joe Harris to play alongside Dlo. They were good running mates in bklyn.

Hate to do this to Lebron, but I'd trade him to Knicks for Randle and Mitchell Robinson or Nerlens Noel.

Dlo
Avery Bradley
Joe Harris
Randle
AD

With Monk and Mitchell or Noel coming off bench.

OMG, Hard No on D'Lo. This guy is not just slow but is a lazy defender who is not efficient because he doesn't attack the basket enough to get better shots/foul shots etc.
The only time he overachieved was in BKN when no one was taking notice and yet Nets still chose to ship him out. Warriors couldn't even tolerate him for a year that they'll rather trade him for Wiggins who was also underachieving in Minnesota.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#83 » by tamaraw08 » Tue May 3, 2022 5:15 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.

LA's pitch? You sure you're not talking about the Clippers? :-? unless Bulls are frustrated with Ball too, AD might might just want to go home in Chicago..... :nod:
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#84 » by MalagaBulls » Tue May 3, 2022 5:35 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.

LA's pitch? You sure you're not talking about the Clippers? :-? unless Bulls are frustrated with Ball too, AD might might just want to go home in Chicago..... :nod:
Nope it was the Lakers but just some screenshot that Stephen A Smith had a source indicating an interest on Zach's part. Now in a hypothetical situation if you could unload Westbrook's salary then you would have CAP room for Zach with other moved. A Lebron/AD/Zach trío would give you a ton of scoring but Zach's knee might be a problem.
Not that I am advocating this move but just commenting that it would improve your spacing because Zach can create and man he is just a gifted scorer/shooter when 100% healthy. D is a major concern but he is average when engaged.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#85 » by tamaraw08 » Tue May 3, 2022 5:40 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.

LA's pitch? You sure you're not talking about the Clippers? :-? unless Bulls are frustrated with Ball too, AD might might just want to go home in Chicago..... :nod:
Nope it was the Lakers but just some screenshot that Stephen A Smith had a source indicating an interest on Zach's part. Now in a hypothetical situation if you could unload Westbrook's salary then you would have CAP room for Zach with other moved. A Lebron/AD/Zach trío would give you a ton of scoring but Zach's knee might be a problem.
Not that I am advocating this move but just commenting that it would improve your spacing because Zach can create and man he is just a gifted scorer/shooter when 100% healthy. D is a major concern but he is average when engaged.

If Rob pulls that off, unloading Russ' contract and at the same time getting Zach, then Pelinka's detractors should all write a personal apology to him for doubting his magical skill. :wink: I mean my goodness, what team/GM would really want to have Westbrook right now? Some suggest Indiana because they might hate paying Brogdon but I think they can find better offers for him IMO, same with Charlotte.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#86 » by TylersLakers » Tue May 3, 2022 10:26 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.


This would be nearly impossible.

1- Tamper like hell before the draft and free agency to figure out if he's serious or not, because if he is:

2- Trade Russ, 2027 1st round pick, 2nd round pick to OKC for Favors, Muscala, Williams and a 28M trade exception

That would put the roster at:

LeBron: $44.5M
AD: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Favors: $10.2M
Nunn: $5.2M
Muscala: $3.5M
Stanley: $2.3M
Williams: $2.0M
Reaves: $1.6M
Gabriel: $1.9M

Team Salary: $119.5M
$35.5M under hard cap

3- If Zach was willing to take less and accept $28M a year - The Lakers could theoretically trade the trade exception, 2029 unprotected 1st, plus x2 2nd round picks - but Zach would literally have to force his hand and say he's signing for $28M in the first year of a deal and if the Bulls don't trade him, then he's accepting a $10M MLE. Do the Bulls play that game of chicken with him?

They could also make a separate trade (not allowed to combine a player with a trade exception) involving THT. Sending THT to the Bulls leftover cap space for cash. So the deal essentially works as THT, 2029 unprotected 1st, x2 2nd round picks for LaVine and cash. I mean - that's better.

The more realistic option is trading AD in the deal. But is that realistic from a Laker side? Does trading AD for LaVine increase the Lakers path to a title? I'd say no.

I can't see it. All of it seems impossible.
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Post#87 » by loveshaq786 » Wed May 4, 2022 12:57 pm

JaVale McGee, PJ TUCKER,and patty Mills are the perfect players for us to have in free agency. I really hope that we do get a chance to get rid of Westbrook's contract for serviceable players or cap space


OTHER names to look at:
Thad Young, Chris Boucher, Isaiah Hartenstein, and Hassan Whiteside. Also good choices too


Speaking of trades and cap space... Is it possible for us to trade Anthony Davis and tht (throw in our first round pick if we have to) for... TJ McConnell, halliburton, and Turner?? It seems they are well underneath the cap as well, and would we get a 9 million trade exception from this deal?
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#88 » by TylersLakers » Wed May 4, 2022 10:27 pm

loveshaq786 wrote:JaVale McGee, PJ TUCKER,and patty Mills are the perfect players for us to have in free agency. I really hope that we do get a chance to get rid of Westbrook's contract for serviceable players or cap space


OTHER names to look at:
Thad Young, Chris Boucher, Isaiah Hartenstein, and Hassan Whiteside. Also good choices too


Speaking of trades and cap space... Is it possible for us to trade Anthony Davis and tht (throw in our first round pick if we have to) for... TJ McConnell, halliburton, and Turner?? It seems they are well underneath the cap as well, and would we get a 9 million trade exception from this deal?


I don't think Indiana's giving up on Haliburton. They love him and I don't blame them. I love him too. Kid's going to be a hell of a player.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#89 » by chefy » Thu May 5, 2022 1:35 am

Lol it’s funny how we have to get another good pf/c because we know for a fact that AD’s not gonna play a full season.

Having an injury prone franchise player will just never work.

Back then we never have to worry about injuries and say “oh we need to sign Joe Johnson because Kobe might get injured”
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#90 » by SK21209 » Thu May 5, 2022 5:24 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.


This would be nearly impossible.

1- Tamper like hell before the draft and free agency to figure out if he's serious or not, because if he is:

2- Trade Russ, 2027 1st round pick, 2nd round pick to OKC for Favors, Muscala, Williams and a 28M trade exception

That would put the roster at:

LeBron: $44.5M
AD: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Favors: $10.2M
Nunn: $5.2M
Muscala: $3.5M
Stanley: $2.3M
Williams: $2.0M
Reaves: $1.6M
Gabriel: $1.9M

Team Salary: $119.5M
$35.5M under hard cap

3- If Zach was willing to take less and accept $28M a year - The Lakers could theoretically trade the trade exception, 2029 unprotected 1st, plus x2 2nd round picks - but Zach would literally have to force his hand and say he's signing for $28M in the first year of a deal and if the Bulls don't trade him, then he's accepting a $10M MLE. Do the Bulls play that game of chicken with him?

They could also make a separate trade (not allowed to combine a player with a trade exception) involving THT. Sending THT to the Bulls leftover cap space for cash. So the deal essentially works as THT, 2029 unprotected 1st, x2 2nd round picks for LaVine and cash. I mean - that's better.

The more realistic option is trading AD in the deal. But is that realistic from a Laker side? Does trading AD for LaVine increase the Lakers path to a title? I'd say no.

I can't see it. All of it seems impossible.


Yeah, clearing enough space to sign LaVine outright looks to be basically impossible. If LaVine went nuclear and said he only wants to play for us, we could sign and trade Russ + the 2027 and 2029 picks for him but that would trigger the hard cup. The rest of the roster is not complete enough to do that IMO. I'd love to have LaVine, but its not happening.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#91 » by MalagaBulls » Thu May 5, 2022 6:08 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.


This would be nearly impossible.

1- Tamper like hell before the draft and free agency to figure out if he's serious or not, because if he is:

2- Trade Russ, 2027 1st round pick, 2nd round pick to OKC for Favors, Muscala, Williams and a 28M trade exception

That would put the roster at:

LeBron: $44.5M
AD: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Favors: $10.2M
Nunn: $5.2M
Muscala: $3.5M
Stanley: $2.3M
Williams: $2.0M
Reaves: $1.6M
Gabriel: $1.9M

Team Salary: $119.5M
$35.5M under hard cap

3- If Zach was willing to take less and accept $28M a year - The Lakers could theoretically trade the trade exception, 2029 unprotected 1st, plus x2 2nd round picks - but Zach would literally have to force his hand and say he's signing for $28M in the first year of a deal and if the Bulls don't trade him, then he's accepting a $10M MLE. Do the Bulls play that game of chicken with him?

They could also make a separate trade (not allowed to combine a player with a trade exception) involving THT. Sending THT to the Bulls leftover cap space for cash. So the deal essentially works as THT, 2029 unprotected 1st, x2 2nd round picks for LaVine and cash. I mean - that's better.

The more realistic option is trading AD in the deal. But is that realistic from a Laker side? Does trading AD for LaVine increase the Lakers path to a title? I'd say no.

I can't see it. All of it seems impossible.


Yeah, clearing enough space to sign LaVine outright looks to be basically impossible. If LaVine went nuclear and said he only wants to play for us, we could sign and trade Russ + the 2027 and 2029 picks for him but that would trigger the hard cup. The rest of the roster is not complete enough to do that IMO. I'd love to have LaVine, but its not happening.
I like Zach but he has his warts. He has an absolute right to have Klutch as his agency but his demeanor & message have changed since he changed agencies.
It has gone from practically "I want to retire in Chicago" to "I want to experience FA & talk to all the respective teams, plus I have to take care of my family". Nothing wrong with that but he also said at 70-80% healthy he was a top max player. No for 2 reasons:

1. He barely played any defense.
2. He was really only at 50% most nights.

If we could find the right S&T I wouldn't be opposed to exploring that option.
As to your post you never say never. Look at KD, he took a 1+1 @25M with the Dubs to win a ring. I know those are different circumstances but anything can happen. But it is practically impossible because we would never accept RW at that salary, let alone at 32-34M. It was just a bogus rumor. Maybe Pelinka asks Rich Paul for a meeting. Stranger things have happened.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#92 » by TylersLakers » Thu May 5, 2022 10:09 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.


This would be nearly impossible.

1- Tamper like hell before the draft and free agency to figure out if he's serious or not, because if he is:

2- Trade Russ, 2027 1st round pick, 2nd round pick to OKC for Favors, Muscala, Williams and a 28M trade exception

That would put the roster at:

LeBron: $44.5M
AD: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Favors: $10.2M
Nunn: $5.2M
Muscala: $3.5M
Stanley: $2.3M
Williams: $2.0M
Reaves: $1.6M
Gabriel: $1.9M

Team Salary: $119.5M
$35.5M under hard cap

3- If Zach was willing to take less and accept $28M a year - The Lakers could theoretically trade the trade exception, 2029 unprotected 1st, plus x2 2nd round picks - but Zach would literally have to force his hand and say he's signing for $28M in the first year of a deal and if the Bulls don't trade him, then he's accepting a $10M MLE. Do the Bulls play that game of chicken with him?

They could also make a separate trade (not allowed to combine a player with a trade exception) involving THT. Sending THT to the Bulls leftover cap space for cash. So the deal essentially works as THT, 2029 unprotected 1st, x2 2nd round picks for LaVine and cash. I mean - that's better.

The more realistic option is trading AD in the deal. But is that realistic from a Laker side? Does trading AD for LaVine increase the Lakers path to a title? I'd say no.

I can't see it. All of it seems impossible.


Yeah, clearing enough space to sign LaVine outright looks to be basically impossible. If LaVine went nuclear and said he only wants to play for us, we could sign and trade Russ + the 2027 and 2029 picks for him but that would trigger the hard cup. The rest of the roster is not complete enough to do that IMO. I'd love to have LaVine, but its not happening.


That Westbrook trade would give us a large trade exception where we can sign and trade for Zach. There's no chance we can clear salary to get to a number to outright sign him.
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Re: Lakers needs in FA/trades 

Post#93 » by loveshaq786 » Sat May 7, 2022 2:59 am

TylersLakers wrote:
SK21209 wrote:
TylersLakers wrote:
This would be nearly impossible.

1- Tamper like hell before the draft and free agency to figure out if he's serious or not, because if he is:

2- Trade Russ, 2027 1st round pick, 2nd round pick to OKC for Favors, Muscala, Williams and a 28M trade exception

That would put the roster at:

LeBron: $44.5M
AD: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Favors: $10.2M
Nunn: $5.2M
Muscala: $3.5M
Stanley: $2.3M
Williams: $2.0M
Reaves: $1.6M
Gabriel: $1.9M

Team Salary: $119.5M
$35.5M under hard cap

3- If Zach was willing to take less and accept $28M a year - The Lakers could theoretically trade the trade exception, 2029 unprotected 1st, plus x2 2nd round picks - but Zach would literally have to force his hand and say he's signing for $28M in the first year of a deal and if the Bulls don't trade him, then he's accepting a $10M MLE. Do the Bulls play that game of chicken with him?

They could also make a separate trade (not allowed to combine a player with a trade exception) involving THT. Sending THT to the Bulls leftover cap space for cash. So the deal essentially works as THT, 2029 unprotected 1st, x2 2nd round picks for LaVine and cash. I mean - that's better.

The more realistic option is trading AD in the deal. But is that realistic from a Laker side? Does trading AD for LaVine increase the Lakers path to a title? I'd say no.

I can't see it. All of it seems impossible.


Yeah, clearing enough space to sign LaVine outright looks to be basically impossible. If LaVine went nuclear and said he only wants to play for us, we could sign and trade Russ + the 2027 and 2029 picks for him but that would trigger the hard cup. The rest of the roster is not complete enough to do that IMO. I'd love to have LaVine, but its not happening.


That Westbrook trade would give us a large trade exception where we can sign and trade for Zach. There's no chance we can clear salary to get to a number to outright sign him.


Lebron and tht.... For Jimmy, omer, hero, and PJ Tucker would be amazing!!!!
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Post#94 » by Landsberger » Sat May 7, 2022 3:27 am

hasn't been here in a few weeks.... starts reading new posts in thread.... sees trading Bron and a total yield that includes Dlo and Randel in a post.... shakes head and leaves.
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Post#95 » by loveshaq786 » Sat May 7, 2022 1:29 pm

In other news.... Thank God we don't have Lowry lol
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Post#96 » by loveshaq786 » Sat May 7, 2022 5:05 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7551464

If we do trade Westbrook for Hayward and terry....

Turner, duarte, McConnell, Isiah Jackson, brogdon for AD, hayward


A healthy brogdon is scary and absolutely needed

AD gets to be closer to home
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Post#97 » by loveshaq786 » Sun May 8, 2022 2:02 am

loveshaq786 wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7551464

If we do trade Westbrook for Hayward and terry....

Turner, duarte, McConnell, Isiah Jackson, brogdon for AD, hayward


A healthy brogdon is scary and absolutely needed

AD gets to be closer to home




Question.. isn't Indiana underneath the cap next season?
So technically we can deal with Westbrook,That,and Anthony Davis to them, for Turner, brogdon, duarte and McConnell... And get almost 35 in capspace???
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Post#98 » by LAL1947 » Sun May 8, 2022 5:30 am

The most common trades I've seen posted are Westbrook to:
- Charlotte: for Hayward + Rozier or Oubre
- Indiana: for Brogdon + Hield
- Houston: for Wall
- New York: for Randle + Kemba or Fournier

If Lebron is going to be here for 2-3 more years, do either of these Westbrook trades below appeal?

1) New York: Westbrook + what?? for Fournier + Kemba + Burks + Grimes + Jericho Sims.

We can cut a lot of the older dross from the roster with 5 guys incoming... and break Westbrook's contract into pieces that can be moved again (Fournier, Kemba, Burks). Grimes can be a good role-player and Sims is a beast on defense. Sims is also a Klutch client.

Lebron.................... Nunn, Kemba
Grimes.................... Burks
Fournier.................. Reaves
AD........................... Stanley
??............................. Sims

2) Orlando: Westbrook + what?? for Gary Harris (S&T @ $15m) + Mo Bamba (S&T @ $15m) + T. Ross.

I'm not even sure if multiple S&Ts can be grouped together like this, so just asking if it's possible.

Lebron.................... Nunn
Harris..................... Monk?
Ross....................... Reaves
AD.......................... Stanley
Bamba.................... Can we still get Sims somehow? I like this kid.

The "+what??"... is a question, asking what will we have to add? Oh, and I don't know what to do with THT. :D
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Post#99 » by They_Them_Hatin » Mon May 9, 2022 6:28 am

TylersLakers wrote:
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Beethoven wrote:I'd definitely welcome Lavine, Lonzo here for AD. Throw Caruso in the mix as well.
Bulls fan in peace, I was about to ask what we could get for Demar & our 18th pick but I see your forum wants both Zach & Lonzo for AD, & then throw in AC?
You know our new FO won't get fleeced trying to be the smartest guys in the room & bid against themselves like Garpax. I think the 141 trade they might think about is Zach for AD straight, the salaries match. But honestly I think they will run it back.


If the Lakers trade AD, here’s what I’d want:

Vuc, Caruso, Pat Williams, White, #18 plus a future 1st for THT, AD

The Lakers would clearly be retooling with an eye towards a rebuild. This way they get some young players and future picks. Bulls load up with AD/DDR/Zach/Lonzo.


I really like this trade for y’all but I doubt they do it because no star and not that high enough of a pick is coming.
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Post#100 » by John Murdoch » Tue May 10, 2022 1:17 pm

TylersLakers wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Hey all, just posted a couple of days ago. Has anyone seen rumors that Zach is actually thinking about seriously listening to LA's pitch in FA? How would you create CAP room if he decided to return home on a 4 year max? It would have to be a 3 or 4 team deal.


This would be nearly impossible.

1- Tamper like hell before the draft and free agency to figure out if he's serious or not, because if he is:

2- Trade Russ, 2027 1st round pick, 2nd round pick to OKC for Favors, Muscala, Williams and a 28M trade exception

That would put the roster at:

LeBron: $44.5M
AD: $38M
THT: $10.3M
Favors: $10.2M
Nunn: $5.2M
Muscala: $3.5M
Stanley: $2.3M
Williams: $2.0M
Reaves: $1.6M
Gabriel: $1.9M

Team Salary: $119.5M
$35.5M under hard cap

3- If Zach was willing to take less and accept $28M a year - The Lakers could theoretically trade the trade exception, 2029 unprotected 1st, plus x2 2nd round picks - but Zach would literally have to force his hand and say he's signing for $28M in the first year of a deal and if the Bulls don't trade him, then he's accepting a $10M MLE. Do the Bulls play that game of chicken with him?

They could also make a separate trade (not allowed to combine a player with a trade exception) involving THT. Sending THT to the Bulls leftover cap space for cash. So the deal essentially works as THT, 2029 unprotected 1st, x2 2nd round picks for LaVine and cash. I mean - that's better.

The more realistic option is trading AD in the deal. But is that realistic from a Laker side? Does trading AD for LaVine increase the Lakers path to a title? I'd say no.

I can't see it. All of it seems impossible.


If anything we learned from the season is that having no rim protector doesnt work for the Lakers . Maybe if u have a Draymond u can get away with it but for us we are better off keeping AD. Plus id rather sell high on him if we were to move him at all...trading him now would be bad business. My preference is to get Myles Turner in that Westbrick trade but who knows what the real offers are being made by the front office
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