Jalen Brunson obsession

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The 11th pick for Brogdon is gross, all anyone needs to do is go look at games played by Brogdon after his rookie year.

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The 11th pick for Brogdon is gross, all anyone needs to do is go look at games played by Brogdon after his rookie year.

For those of you looking, he's played in 258 out of a possible 391 games since his rookie year, averaging out to just under 52 a season

And he's only cracked the 60 games in a season mark once in that time.

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Fairer? dumb

The 11th pick for Brogdon is gross, all anyone needs to do is go look at games played by Brogdon after his rookie year.

For those of you looking, he's played in 258 out of a possible 391 games since his rookie year, averaging out to just under 52 a season

And he's only cracked the 60 games in a season mark once in that time.

Those are Derrick Rose-Kemba Walker type numbers, which means management will for-sure target him.

[Appleshampoo]

The 11th pick for Brogdon is gross, all anyone needs to do is go look at games played by Brogdon after his rookie year.

For those of you looking, he's played in 258 out of a possible 391 games since his rookie year, averaging out to just under 52 a season

And he's only cracked the 60 games in a season mark once in that time.

Those are Derrick Rose-Kemba Walker type numbers, which means management will for-sure target him.

It feels like "uninvolved front office person" types are always counting on the Knicks to be as stupid as possible. The 11th for Brogdon is embarrassing and I hope they burn in hell.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

For those of you looking, he's played in 258 out of a possible 391 games since his rookie year, averaging out to just under 52 a season

And he's only cracked the 60 games in a season mark once in that time.

Those are Derrick Rose-Kemba Walker type numbers, which means management will for-sure target him.

It feels like "uninvolved front office person" types are always counting on the Knicks to be as stupid as possible. The 11th for Brogdon is embarrassing and I hope they burn in hell.

[thebuzzardman]

For those of you looking, he's played in 258 out of a possible 391 games since his rookie year, averaging out to just under 52 a season

And he's only cracked the 60 games in a season mark once in that time.

Those are Derrick Rose-Kemba Walker type numbers, which means management will for-sure target him.

It feels like "uninvolved front office person" types are always counting on the Knicks to be as stupid as possible. The 11th for Brogdon is embarrassing and I hope they burn in hell.

Whenever I read this stuff and the executive is being such a d*che canoe, I figure it's either the exec of the team being asked (Pacers in this case) just being an assh*le to troll the reporter or the Knicks or that it's Sean Marks.

[malik959]

Not sure I love it from a Knicks perspective...and I really like Brunson, but we lose Mitch, Rose and a first rounder AND we have to take a bad really contract?

I'd agree.

The only scenario where it makes "sense" for the Knicks is that they like the idea of building around RJ and Randle (Hi Chanel!) and want to add Brunson, and feel that IQ can play the additional PG minutes and see some time in the wing rotation with Grimes/Fournier/RJ - thereby making Rose "obsolete"

Would suck a bit to trade Cam as I like his potential still and is the only tall-ish SF type the Knicks currently have.
And that the Knicks are not enthusiastic about paying Mitch 15/16 million a year for 3 years, or value it less than Brunson, or Brunson plus pushing up at tax apron of the cap.
Then the Knicks use the 11th pick to address C depth again if there is a lack of comfort going with Randle/Obi too much or they feel the need to have another young C with Sims for when Noel goes away, hopefully sooner than later.
Or, the Knicks replace Cam with a rangy SF and live with Noel/Sims for a year, or even use the larger MLE on a vet C

But year, Rose, Mitch, Cam and a pick are a lot for Brunson AND carrying Bertrans sh*tty contract.

I see BXetc put in Kemba/Cam instead of Rose. That might work.

Dallas gets Gobert, pick back, Cam, Kemba (who they cut)
Jazz get Mitch and something
Knicks get Brunson and the crappy contract of Bertrans

Sorry, I kind of lost track of the trade scenarios, so not sure I put forth something completely impossible.

It's all just for fun anyway, Knicks aren't getting a single good player this offseason. Not in a trade, nor as a FA and not in the draft. Because Knicks.

Sure, some of this is going to look pretty off-beat in retrospect. But anyway, just a couple of things.

As you noticed somewhere in the middle of your post - in this scenario of Mitch to Utah, Gobert to Dall and Brunson to NYK, I wasn't positing both Rose and Cam to go along with Mitch - just one of them (and Kemba for pure salary reasons if its Cam). Also, its the Jazz who get everything from the Knicks (including the Dal23FRP). What Dallas gets is Gobert and just him. One has to add more salary all around if you want the Mavs to get anything besides Gobert.

Secondly, as I've just said in another post, I'm not at all sure the Knicks have much if any control over what Mitch does this summer. And if I was him I would want out if it didn't mean losing money.

Thirdly, who knows what kind of physical shape Rose will be in in the next two years? Is that 30m/2 going to look like a good deal or is he going to spend most of the time on the physio's table? But, moreover, Rose should be redundant with Brunson starting and IQ/McBride/2022FRP-if-PG backing up. Maybe not if just adding Brunson and a fit Rose is enough to make the Knicks contenders. But do we really believe that. Further, as I suggested to Rhodey, maybe the deal could be for Dinwiddie instead of Bertans. But maybe that makes the deal too favourable to the Knicks. Idk. that would be part of the bargaining.

Finally, Cam is just a project who hasn't worked out yet.

So, putting it all together, I don't really see this as the Knicks giving up all that much.

Why take on bad contracts in order to get Brunson when we could sell vets to clear space and just sign him flat out. Also Mitch would have to agree to go to Utah and unless they are over paying him I just don’t see it.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd agree.

The only scenario where it makes "sense" for the Knicks is that they like the idea of building around RJ and Randle (Hi Chanel!) and want to add Brunson, and feel that IQ can play the additional PG minutes and see some time in the wing rotation with Grimes/Fournier/RJ - thereby making Rose "obsolete"

Would suck a bit to trade Cam as I like his potential still and is the only tall-ish SF type the Knicks currently have.
And that the Knicks are not enthusiastic about paying Mitch 15/16 million a year for 3 years, or value it less than Brunson, or Brunson plus pushing up at tax apron of the cap.
Then the Knicks use the 11th pick to address C depth again if there is a lack of comfort going with Randle/Obi too much or they feel the need to have another young C with Sims for when Noel goes away, hopefully sooner than later.
Or, the Knicks replace Cam with a rangy SF and live with Noel/Sims for a year, or even use the larger MLE on a vet C

But year, Rose, Mitch, Cam and a pick are a lot for Brunson AND carrying Bertrans sh*tty contract.

I see BXetc put in Kemba/Cam instead of Rose. That might work.

Dallas gets Gobert, pick back, Cam, Kemba (who they cut)
Jazz get Mitch and something
Knicks get Brunson and the crappy contract of Bertrans

Sorry, I kind of lost track of the trade scenarios, so not sure I put forth something completely impossible.

It's all just for fun anyway, Knicks aren't getting a single good player this offseason. Not in a trade, nor as a FA and not in the draft. Because Knicks.

Sure, some of this is going to look pretty off-beat in retrospect. But anyway, just a couple of things.

As you noticed somewhere in the middle of your post - in this scenario of Mitch to Utah, Gobert to Dall and Brunson to NYK, I wasn't positing both Rose and Cam to go along with Mitch - just one of them (and Kemba for pure salary reasons if its Cam). Also, its the Jazz who get everything from the Knicks (including the Dal23FRP). What Dallas gets is Gobert and just him. One has to add more salary all around if you want the Mavs to get anything besides Gobert.

Secondly, as I've just said in another post, I'm not at all sure the Knicks have much if any control over what Mitch does this summer. And if I was him I would want out if it didn't mean losing money.

Thirdly, who knows what kind of physical shape Rose will be in in the next two years? Is that 30m/2 going to look like a good deal or is he going to spend most of the time on the physio's table? But, moreover, Rose should be redundant with Brunson starting and IQ/McBride/2022FRP-if-PG backing up. Maybe not if just adding Brunson and a fit Rose is enough to make the Knicks contenders. But do we really believe that. Further, as I suggested to Rhodey, maybe the deal could be for Dinwiddie instead of Bertans. But maybe that makes the deal too favourable to the Knicks. Idk. that would be part of the bargaining.

Finally, Cam is just a project who hasn't worked out yet.

So, putting it all together, I don't really see this as the Knicks giving up all that much.

Why take on bad contracts in order to get Brunson when we could sell vets to clear space and just sign him flat out. Also Mitch would have to agree to go to Utah and unless they are over paying him I just don’t see it.

You think it's going to be easy to sell Noel, Burks, Rose and/or Taj into cap space along with some 2nd rounders, when there are only a handful of teams that have cap space?

Mitch to Utah was just having fun around Gobert being sent out etc.

I would think maybe Dallas MIGHT want Mitch, but because of what he makes, if it's a S&T on both sides, it gets complicated with extra players pretty quickly as both team are over the cap

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I'd agree.

The only scenario where it makes "sense" for the Knicks is that they like the idea of building around RJ and Randle (Hi Chanel!) and want to add Brunson, and feel that IQ can play the additional PG minutes and see some time in the wing rotation with Grimes/Fournier/RJ - thereby making Rose "obsolete"

Would suck a bit to trade Cam as I like his potential still and is the only tall-ish SF type the Knicks currently have.
And that the Knicks are not enthusiastic about paying Mitch 15/16 million a year for 3 years, or value it less than Brunson, or Brunson plus pushing up at tax apron of the cap.
Then the Knicks use the 11th pick to address C depth again if there is a lack of comfort going with Randle/Obi too much or they feel the need to have another young C with Sims for when Noel goes away, hopefully sooner than later.
Or, the Knicks replace Cam with a rangy SF and live with Noel/Sims for a year, or even use the larger MLE on a vet C

But year, Rose, Mitch, Cam and a pick are a lot for Brunson AND carrying Bertrans sh*tty contract.

I see BXetc put in Kemba/Cam instead of Rose. That might work.

Dallas gets Gobert, pick back, Cam, Kemba (who they cut)
Jazz get Mitch and something
Knicks get Brunson and the crappy contract of Bertrans

Sorry, I kind of lost track of the trade scenarios, so not sure I put forth something completely impossible.

It's all just for fun anyway, Knicks aren't getting a single good player this offseason. Not in a trade, nor as a FA and not in the draft. Because Knicks.

Sure, some of this is going to look pretty off-beat in retrospect. But anyway, just a couple of things.

As you noticed somewhere in the middle of your post - in this scenario of Mitch to Utah, Gobert to Dall and Brunson to NYK, I wasn't positing both Rose and Cam to go along with Mitch - just one of them (and Kemba for pure salary reasons if its Cam). Also, its the Jazz who get everything from the Knicks (including the Dal23FRP). What Dallas gets is Gobert and just him. One has to add more salary all around if you want the Mavs to get anything besides Gobert.

Secondly, as I've just said in another post, I'm not at all sure the Knicks have much if any control over what Mitch does this summer. And if I was him I would want out if it didn't mean losing money.

Thirdly, who knows what kind of physical shape Rose will be in in the next two years? Is that 30m/2 going to look like a good deal or is he going to spend most of the time on the physio's table? But, moreover, Rose should be redundant with Brunson starting and IQ/McBride/2022FRP-if-PG backing up. Maybe not if just adding Brunson and a fit Rose is enough to make the Knicks contenders. But do we really believe that. Further, as I suggested to Rhodey, maybe the deal could be for Dinwiddie instead of Bertans. But maybe that makes the deal too favourable to the Knicks. Idk. that would be part of the bargaining.

Finally, Cam is just a project who hasn't worked out yet.

So, putting it all together, I don't really see this as the Knicks giving up all that much.

Why take on bad contracts in order to get Brunson when we could sell vets to clear space and just sign him flat out. Also Mitch would have to agree to go to Utah and unless they are over paying him I just don’t see it.

The last sentence re Mitch is a very valid point - and I didn't think about it in this post, tho I did warn people about this elsewhere. Mitch is probably the master of his own domain. Everyone will want to pay him 60/4 and no more and he has a free choice more or less. If I was Mitch and came from LA I'd probably hope to be s'n't-ed for Ayton, maybe. Or somehow land up in LA (the city) or Miami. But m'kay. Playing with Donovan Mitchell is pretty attractive if he and Mitch have a non-toxic relationship.

But .. yes .. you're overall right on that, modulo some special pleading on my part.

For the first part. Genuine question: I don't see how you sell enough contracts to create the space. How are you going to create over $30m in cap space? Who's going to take those players in without sending anything back?

I'd be very interested in a good answer to that, because I simply don't see it.

From my pov Fournier has trade value. And maybe DRose. But no one is going to sign either into space. And after that you have to attach assets to anyone to trade them.

[malik959]

I could definitely see Mitch trying to go home especially with home N.O is playing now. We don’t need to sclera 30 mil in space, in no way would Dallas let Brunson go for free if he decided he wanted to move to NY. I would do 20x4yrs and possibly add Burks and Noel. If they would take Randle than that would be perfect.

[thebuzzardman]

I could definitely see Mitch trying to go home especially with home N.O is playing now. We don’t need to sclera 30 mil in space, in no way would Dallas let Brunson go for free if he decided he wanted to move to NY. I would do 20x4yrs and possibly add Burks and Noel. If they would take Randle than that would be perfect.

Mitch as basis for S&T for Zion


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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I could definitely see Mitch trying to go home especially with home N.O is playing now. We don’t need to sclera 30 mil in space, in no way would Dallas let Brunson go for free if he decided he wanted to move to NY. I would do 20x4yrs and possibly add Burks and Noel. If they would take Randle than that would be perfect.

Mitch to NOP? Yes, seems possible he'd want to do that.

On the other part: in the post a couple up you talk about clearing space. Now you're talking about a trade, it seems. Which is it?
If the Knicks were capable of clearing space and Brunson wants to come to NYK then the Mavs desires are irrelevant. If the Knicks want to trade for Brunson, whether the Mavs would countenance a trade and what the Mavs would want back if so becomes very relevant.

[KNICKS007]

I could definitely see Mitch trying to go home especially with home N.O is playing now. We don’t need to sclera 30 mil in space, in no way would Dallas let Brunson go for free if he decided he wanted to move to NY. I would do 20x4yrs and possibly add Burks and Noel. If they would take Randle than that would be perfect.

Mitch to NOP? Yes, seems possible he'd want to do that.

On the other part: in the post a couple up you talk about clearing space. Now you're talking about a trade, it seems. Which is it?
If the Knicks were capable of clearing space and Brunson wants to come to NYK then the Mavs desires are irrelevant. If the Knicks want to trade for Brunson, whether the Mavs would countenance a trade and what the Mavs would want back if so becomes very relevant.

Brunson for Randle are you nuts, when was Brunson ever an all star.

The knicks will lose Mitch 10 minutes into the start of FA, you will be getting that alert on your phones little after.

[8516knicks]

I could definitely see Mitch trying to go home especially with home N.O is playing now. We don’t need to sclera 30 mil in space, in no way would Dallas let Brunson go for free if he decided he wanted to move to NY. I would do 20x4yrs and possibly add Burks and Noel. If they would take Randle than that would be perfect.

Mitch to NOP? Yes, seems possible he'd want to do that.

On the other part: in the post a couple up you talk about clearing space. Now you're talking about a trade, it seems. Which is it?
If the Knicks were capable of clearing space and Brunson wants to come to NYK then the Mavs desires are irrelevant. If the Knicks want to trade for Brunson, whether the Mavs would countenance a trade and what the Mavs would want back if so becomes very relevant.

Brunson for Randle are you nuts, when was Brunson ever an all star.

Are u in the market for a bridge in Brooklyn? I have one for sale. You can name it the Randle Memorial Bridge. He's going to be an all star again. Really. Seriously. Would I kid u? Trust me. Neal Gorsuch and and Bret Kavanugh swear to it. Don't mind those fingers crossed behind their backs. You stick to being a Randle stan.

[PeteW]

I hope this "obsession" can die down now. Dude aint all that.

[KnixtapeH20]

Quick let's all use no perspective and blast Brunson for finally having an off game

I hope this "obsession" can die down now. Dude aint all that.

Only took 2 days... Lmao yall are too much

I don't even love Brunson I'd rather rock with IQ but to bash him bc his superstar teammate hogs the ball and dribbles the clock out while his teammates stand are staring at him knowing hes gona shoot.... That's just dumb

Idk what u definition of "not all that" is and never even saw anyone here obsessed with him. We need better talented players. You're supposed to try and upgrade your roster every season.

[PeteW]

Quick let's all use no perspective and blast Brunson for finally having an off game

I hope this "obsession" can die down now. Dude aint all that.

Only took 2 days... Lmao yall are too much

I don't even love Brunson I'd rather rock with IQ but to bash him bc his superstar teammate hogs the ball and dribbles the clock out while his teammates stand are staring at him knowing hes gona shoot.... That's just dumb

Idk what u definition of "not all that" is and never even saw anyone here obsessed with him. We need better talented players. You're supposed to try and upgrade your roster every season.

I've been on the anti-Brunson bandwagon way before the PHX series, so im not being a prisoner of the moment. Hes not a bad player i just much rather see IQ start.

[KnixtapeH20]

Quick let's all use no perspective and blast Brunson for finally having an off game

I hope this "obsession" can die down now. Dude aint all that.

Only took 2 days... Lmao yall are too much

I don't even love Brunson I'd rather rock with IQ but to bash him bc his superstar teammate hogs the ball and dribbles the clock out while his teammates stand are staring at him knowing hes gona shoot.... That's just dumb

Idk what u definition of "not all that" is and never even saw anyone here obsessed with him. We need better talented players. You're supposed to try and upgrade your roster every season.

I've been on the anti-Brunson bandwagon way before the PHX series, so im not being a prisoner of the moment. Hes not a bad player i just much rather see IQ start.

Ok my apologies just making sure. So we're in the same boat basically. I just don't see the rush in overpaying for him. Just commit to a developmental year with an improved team if they make the right moves

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