NYG's Mock Off-Season - What to do with Russell Westbrook: Which is more likely?

[basketballwacko2]

Which of the following Russell Westbrook options are most likely?

1. The Lakers trade Westbrook with a top 4 protected 2027 first round draft pick for neutral expiring salary like John Wall

John Wall is not a neutral expiring salary when he makes just as much and haven't played all year. he's just as negative imo

The only way Wall would look better is if his attitude is better than RW. But unless the Rockets are gonna buy out Westy why would they want to do this? I guess to get that 2027 #1?

[basketballwacko2]

Why is there no Westbrook for bad contract option?

that 2027 first can pay to “Fournier+“ or “THJ+“ in 14 months if LBJ leaves and the team is going for it free agency.

Would Dallas do THJ, Burke, Boban, Brown and Powell for Westbrook? Let me know and I'll add it to the poll.

Not if they want to win in 2022-23.

[loserX]

Even as someone who still likes John Wall, it's hard to imagine the Rockets getting expirings and a 1st for him no matter who the expirings are.

If Houston demands incentive for the swap, and I can see why they would, it should be cash or a 2nd or something.

[Van_Trump]

I am confident Lebron can convert most "bad contracts" into useful role players. We have seen it happen before.

[zimpy27]

I’m with Godaddy - Russ would give up the MLE. I imagine he’d get that from a team where he could have a chance to show he’/ not done.

Wouldn’t give up more, but think he’d give that up and pick his team. Maybe even Washington? Not sure how that ended but they have a lot more talent now and need a PG..

Honestly, you're probably right, this is the likely outcome the more I digest it. If the Lakers can buy him out with enough savings to spend their full MLE and Westbrook can choose where he goes, they let his remaining salary expire next year and sign a replacement (Rubio? Tyus? Schroder? Mills?)

Oh LAL would have to stretch him to use the full MLE... he’s not giving up the 20~ million it would take to fill the roster with minimum salaries and the MLE. Unless they dump THT. Really not worth it.

Lakers need to drop $14m to open the 10m MLE. $17m opens both $10m MLE and 4m BAE.

Not true, Lakers only need to save 10m to use the 10m MLE.

If they keep Russ, LeBron, Davis, THT, Nunn and just add vet min contracts then they would be just at the hardcap. So 10m saved gives them 10m MLE. 14m saved gives them 4m BAE on top. Currently they can use the TaxMLE. So not sure they just wave Russ for the 10m MLE so that they can spend 4m more.

[Godaddycurse]

Honestly, you're probably right, this is the likely outcome the more I digest it. If the Lakers can buy him out with enough savings to spend their full MLE and Westbrook can choose where he goes, they let his remaining salary expire next year and sign a replacement (Rubio? Tyus? Schroder? Mills?)

Oh LAL would have to stretch him to use the full MLE... he’s not giving up the 20~ million it would take to fill the roster with minimum salaries and the MLE. Unless they dump THT. Really not worth it.

Not true, Lakers only need to save 10m to use the 10m MLE.

Did you count for capholds of remaining roster spots? They are at 149M for 7 contracts right now.

[zimpy27]

Oh LAL would have to stretch him to use the full MLE... he’s not giving up the 20~ million it would take to fill the roster with minimum salaries and the MLE. Unless they dump THT. Really not worth it.

Not true, Lakers only need to save 10m to use the 10m MLE.

Did you count for capholds of remaining roster spots? They are at 149M for 7 contracts right now.

Oh yeah you're right. I was using shams capulator but if I use spotrac and add things manually the value comes out much higher.

Damn, I've been working under assumption from the capulator. Looks like Lakers need to save $15m from Russ to use MLE.

[jredsaz]

If they aren't willing to go all in with Bron and AD then they should probably move LeBron also. If they are all in, Im guessing Kutch helps orchestrate something for Russ and a first. I mean a huge expiring and a first should produce a decent return. Wont be great but they should get some serviceable talent.

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[NYG]

Hayward to Dallas
Russ, Dallas first, Dal/LAL 2nd(s) to Charlotte
THJ, Rozier, 3B’s to LAL

How do all 3 teams feel about this version?

[Godaddycurse]

Hayward to Dallas
Russ, Dallas first, Dal/LAL 2nd(s) to Charlotte
THJ, Rozier, 3B’s to LAL

How do all 3 teams feel about this version?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2182560&p=98090559&hilit=hayward+THJ#p98090559

charlotte fans hated it

[jayjaysee]

Hayward to Dallas
Russ, Dallas first, Dal/LAL 2nd(s) to Charlotte
THJ, Rozier, 3B’s to LAL

How do all 3 teams feel about this version?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2182560&p=98090559&hilit=hayward+THJ#p98090559

charlotte fans hated it

Oh and I made it worse with no 2027 LAL first.

I think Rozier on a 4yr96 million dollar contract is pretty strongly negative?.. Like doesn’t get enough attention. maybe I’m judging too hard. But guys like Fournier, THJ, Buddy are paid considerably less (or have less years) and are widely considered negative.

Even if we say Rozier is the best of that group which I don’t think I’d argue, he’s not better enough to justify the extra salary.

But yeah, Charlotte fans hated it. And until they find their center / know how much he’ll cost - maybe they’re right they can live with the overpaid Rozier. But if they land Wood or Turner - Rozier is going to need to be dumped because I don’t see them paying that kind of tax bill. And I don’t see any team but LAL offering an expiring. And once Westbrook is traded, that market is closed.

[NYG]

How do all 3 teams feel about this version?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2182560&p=98090559&hilit=hayward+THJ#p98090559

charlotte fans hated it

Oh and I made it worse with no 2027 LAL first.

I think Rozier on a 4yr96 million dollar contract is pretty strongly negative?.. Like doesn’t get enough attention. maybe I’m judging too hard. But guys like Fournier, THJ, Buddy are paid considerably less (or have less years) and are widely considered negative.

Even if we say Rozier is the best of that group which I don’t think I’d argue, he’s not better enough to justify the extra salary.

But yeah, Charlotte fans hated it. And until they find their center / know how much he’ll cost - maybe they’re right they can live with the overpaid Rozier. But if they land Wood or Turner - Rozier is going to need to be dumped because I don’t see them paying that kind of tax bill. And I don’t see any team but LAL offering an expiring. And once Westbrook is traded, that market is closed.

Let's say the Westbrook deal is THJ, Bertans and Burke for Westbrook as poll suggests... what does Dallas do with Westbrook?

[jayjaysee]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2182560&p=98090559&hilit=hayward+THJ#p98090559

charlotte fans hated it

Oh and I made it worse with no 2027 LAL first.

I think Rozier on a 4yr96 million dollar contract is pretty strongly negative?.. Like doesn’t get enough attention. maybe I’m judging too hard. But guys like Fournier, THJ, Buddy are paid considerably less (or have less years) and are widely considered negative.

Even if we say Rozier is the best of that group which I don’t think I’d argue, he’s not better enough to justify the extra salary.

But yeah, Charlotte fans hated it. And until they find their center / know how much he’ll cost - maybe they’re right they can live with the overpaid Rozier. But if they land Wood or Turner - Rozier is going to need to be dumped because I don’t see them paying that kind of tax bill. And I don’t see any team but LAL offering an expiring. And once Westbrook is traded, that market is closed.

Let's say the Westbrook deal is THJ, Bertans and Burke for Westbrook as poll suggests... what does Dallas do with Westbrook?

They would never end up with Westbrook.

I guess if Brunson leaves and Dallas feels like Luka could actually bring a star in free agency.

It’s still sad to think about. I will avoid looking at the poll.

[NYG]

Oh and I made it worse with no 2027 LAL first.

I think Rozier on a 4yr96 million dollar contract is pretty strongly negative?.. Like doesn’t get enough attention. maybe I’m judging too hard. But guys like Fournier, THJ, Buddy are paid considerably less (or have less years) and are widely considered negative.

Even if we say Rozier is the best of that group which I don’t think I’d argue, he’s not better enough to justify the extra salary.

But yeah, Charlotte fans hated it. And until they find their center / know how much he’ll cost - maybe they’re right they can live with the overpaid Rozier. But if they land Wood or Turner - Rozier is going to need to be dumped because I don’t see them paying that kind of tax bill. And I don’t see any team but LAL offering an expiring. And once Westbrook is traded, that market is closed.

Let's say the Westbrook deal is THJ, Bertans and Burke for Westbrook as poll suggests... what does Dallas do with Westbrook?

They would never end up with Westbrook.

I guess if Brunson leaves and Dallas feels like Luka could actually bring a star in free agency.

It’s still sad to think about. I will avoid looking at the poll.

What could Westbrook and 26th Overall get?

[jayjaysee]

Let's say the Westbrook deal is THJ, Bertans and Burke for Westbrook as poll suggests... what does Dallas do with Westbrook?

They would never end up with Westbrook.

I guess if Brunson leaves and Dallas feels like Luka could actually bring a star in free agency.

It’s still sad to think about. I will avoid looking at the poll.

What could Westbrook and 26th Overall get?

I’ve tried this. A lot of times.