Eastern Conference | Round 2 | (2) Boston Celtics VS. (3) Milwaukee Bucks (TIED 2-2)

[bisme37]

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[Mamba Mentality]

I got ridiculed in game 1 for saying that Coach Bud isn't competent enough to make up the talent gap with his coaching. Sure the Bucks stole homecourt advantage, but nothing in game 2 showed me that the Bucks have a tactical approach to attacking this elite Celtics defense. The shooting from the Celtics was also a fluke in game 1 as far as I'm concerned. Rarely will you see Tatum and Brown have off games at the same time. They're still my favorite to win the East, as much as it pains me to admit it.

[Blaze4G]

I got ridiculed in game 1 for saying that Coach Bud isn't competent enough to make up the talent gap with his coaching. Sure the Bucks stole homecourt advantage, but nothing in game 2 showed me that the Bucks have a tactical approach when the Celtics muck this series up. The shooting from the Celtics was a fluke in game 1 as far as I'm concerned. Rarely will you see Tatum and Brown have off games at the same time. They're still my favorite to win the East, as much as it pains me to admit it.

What I am confused by is Bucks fans hated Coach Bud, calling for his head for years and because they won the chip last year he is suddenly a great coach. Ime hasn't proved much yet in the playoffs. But i find it laughable when bucks fans say they have the coaching advantage. When really we don't know which team has the coaching advantage because of so little data to go by for Ime.

Game 3 should give more insight. I think bucks stick with their same game plan (as usual) and make no adjustments. They are going to hope Celtics don't shoot from 3 like that again (which is a possibility). What Bud needs to do is keep on using Giannis as the screener on every single possession until Celtics adjust.

[Kalela]

Hopefully, there won't be early games for the remainder of the series.

[Triple M]

I expect that the Celtics will come out aggressive to start game 3. I hope that results in what happened in game 2, not game 1, after getting good starts in both games.

I think there is a fair share of people that feel that the Celtics win was a fluke, and there is a lot of talk about 3 point variance. If the Celtics can move the ball, cut, and/or relocate to create rhythm and pace, then im ok with the 3 point shots they are getting. One slight adjustment is to take the shots at the rim when presented. The narrative is that the Bucks are shutting down the paint, but I thought there were some open layups that the Celtics turned down, especially in that 3rd quarter when they were overpassing. Part of that was the Bucks doing a better job of not flying out on fakes, but I think Boston will have to attack the rim aggressively in game #3.

[Mamba Mentality]

I got ridiculed in game 1 for saying that Coach Bud isn't competent enough to make up the talent gap with his coaching. Sure the Bucks stole homecourt advantage, but nothing in game 2 showed me that the Bucks have a tactical approach when the Celtics muck this series up. The shooting from the Celtics was a fluke in game 1 as far as I'm concerned. Rarely will you see Tatum and Brown have off games at the same time. They're still my favorite to win the East, as much as it pains me to admit it.

What I am confused by is Bucks fans hated Coach Bud, calling for his head for years and because they won the chip last year he is suddenly a great coach. Ime hasn't proved much yet in the playoffs. But i find it laughable when bucks fans say they have the coaching advantage. When really we don't know which team has the coaching advantage because of so little data to go by for Ime.

Game 3 should give more insight. I think bucks stick with their same game plan (as usual) and make no adjustments. They are going to hope Celtics don't shoot from 3 like that again (which is a possibility). What Bud needs to do is keep on using Giannis as the screener on every single possession until Celtics adjust.

I was told by a Bucks fan, that that was a belief only held by dumb Buck fans. Take that for what its worth.

[Infinite Llamas]

Boston still has a lot of room to improve. As far as I’ve seen it, they’ve played really well for two quarters out of eight. Some people making it seem like Boston played a flawless game last night but the second half was just a lot of playing with their food

[soxfan2003]

I got ridiculed in game 1 for saying that Coach Bud isn't competent enough to make up the talent gap with his coaching. Sure the Bucks stole homecourt advantage, but nothing in game 2 showed me that the Bucks have a tactical approach to this elite Celtics defense. The shooting from the Celtics was also a fluke in game 1 as far as I'm concerned. Rarely will you see Tatum and Brown have off games at the same time. They're still my favorite to win the East, as much as it pains me to admit it.

Even though I am a Celtics fan, right now its hard for me to not make Miami the favorite even if both Boston and Milwaukee with Middleton are better than them. If Philly loses another game or 2 before Embiid steps on the court, that series is over and Miami has a cakewalk to ECFinals due to a top 3 player missing the first half of the series.

What I think the Bucks may be hoping to do is beat the Celtics defense by scoring in transition as much as possible. This may be a part of their general philosophy but it may be even more important in a series like this given the Celtics relative lack of depth but stout halfcourt defense. This is probably one of the reasons Milwaukee appears to be pressuring the Celtics as much as possible to speed up the game.

Stopping Giannis in transition when he gets a true head of steam is tougher than in the half court. Both are obviously tough.

So the strategy of trying to limit corner 3's but be okay with more head on 3's especially if a Celtics player isn't hot like Jaylen Brown kind of makes sense. What makes sense for Milwaukee with Giannis and some shooters that are good in transition, makes less sense for a team that isn't as good in transition.

I kind of think Bud is enough of a realist to recognize without Middleton, the Bucks offense is at a big time disadvantage in the halfcourt against this Celtics team. There really are no great half court options if the Celtics are playing intense half court D.

What I think Bud is trying to do is "survive the halfcourt" and thrive in transition. Who knows what he privately thinks but I think he probably feels Celtics halfcourt offense vs Bucks defense lost him game 2.

[RiotPunch]

I got ridiculed in game 1 for saying that Coach Bud isn't competent enough to make up the talent gap with his coaching. Sure the Bucks stole homecourt advantage, but nothing in game 2 showed me that the Bucks have a tactical approach when the Celtics muck this series up. The shooting from the Celtics was a fluke in game 1 as far as I'm concerned. Rarely will you see Tatum and Brown have off games at the same time. They're still my favorite to win the East, as much as it pains me to admit it.

What I am confused by is Bucks fans hated Coach Bud, calling for his head for years and because they won the chip last year he is suddenly a great coach. Ime hasn't proved much yet in the playoffs. But i find it laughable when bucks fans say they have the coaching advantage. When really we don't know which team has the coaching advantage because of so little data to go by for Ime.

Game 3 should give more insight. I think bucks stick with their same game plan (as usual) and make no adjustments. They are going to hope Celtics don't shoot from 3 like that again (which is a possibility). What Bud needs to do is keep on using Giannis as the screener on every single possession until Celtics adjust.

I called for his head because he was stubborn and refused to adjust. Thanks to Jrue/Tucker pushing for more switching last year, he finally became more open to different philosophies, and it paid dividends by way of a championship.

He's always been a good coach who relied on his system, now he is a good coach willing to deviate from that system if need-be. The thing that still frustrates the hell out of me is that he will ride or die with his original system until it crashes and burns, which is what we saw in Game 2. If last season's run taught me anything, it's that he is slow to adjust, but he will. I expect Game 3 to be quite a bit different.

I have long loved Udoka as a coach as well, he and Bud were always the Pop disciples I wanted to coach my Bucks. Bud only has him in the experience department. Ime made the obvious adjustments, Bud took the wait and see approach rather than anticipating them ( ) and here we are.

[Johnny Bball]

I wonder how long Budenholzer is going to keep riding Lopez in the starting line-up when he clearly never should be in this series. I thought he learned his lesson last year, but some of these coaches refuse to see what's in front of them.

[Blaze4G]

I got ridiculed in game 1 for saying that Coach Bud isn't competent enough to make up the talent gap with his coaching. Sure the Bucks stole homecourt advantage, but nothing in game 2 showed me that the Bucks have a tactical approach when the Celtics muck this series up. The shooting from the Celtics was a fluke in game 1 as far as I'm concerned. Rarely will you see Tatum and Brown have off games at the same time. They're still my favorite to win the East, as much as it pains me to admit it.

What I am confused by is Bucks fans hated Coach Bud, calling for his head for years and because they won the chip last year he is suddenly a great coach. Ime hasn't proved much yet in the playoffs. But i find it laughable when bucks fans say they have the coaching advantage. When really we don't know which team has the coaching advantage because of so little data to go by for Ime.

Game 3 should give more insight. I think bucks stick with their same game plan (as usual) and make no adjustments. They are going to hope Celtics don't shoot from 3 like that again (which is a possibility). What Bud needs to do is keep on using Giannis as the screener on every single possession until Celtics adjust.

I called for his head because he was stubborn and refused to adjust. Thanks to Jrue/Tucker pushing for more switching last year, he finally became more open to different philosophies, and it paid dividends by way of a championship.

He's always been a good coach who relied on his system, now he is a good coach willing to deviate from that system if need-be. The thing that still frustrates the hell out of me is that he will ride or die with his original system until it crashes and burns, which is what we saw in Game 2. If last season's run taught me anything, it's that he is slow to adjust, but he will. I expect Game 3 to be quite a bit different.

I have long loved Udoka as a coach as well, he and Bud were always the Pop disciples I wanted to coach my Bucks. Bud only has him in the experience department. Ime made the obvious adjustments, Bud took the wait and see approach rather than anticipating them ( ) and here we are.

Thanks for your input....its always good to hear from a fan who usually has more in depth knowledge about their team. I wish coaches reacted to making adjustments even quicker than game to game such as Ty Lue. Clippers will look bad and after half time its a completely different team with how they play on offense and defense.

Do you think bucks / bud will continue with the drop coverage, pack the paint defense, giving up open 3s? From an outsider it doesn't seem like he deviates much from his defensive schemes.

[SirChurros]

I think it's a little disingenuous to argue that Bud has done nothing to adjust to Boston's defense.

In Game 1, the offensive gameplan worked perfectly. They got open looks and won by double digits with Giannis having a poor shooting night and missing shots he normally makes.

In Game 2 they shot themselves in the foot early with dumb play from Giannis and Jrue. Bud has never been great at adjusting in game, but by the time it mattered yesterday the game was over.

All of that said, I'm not worried about our defense or Boston hitting 20 threes at a 47% clip again. If they sustain that, they're winning the title regardless. I am worried about the adjustment Bud makes between Game 2 and 3 offensively. That will be key.

[RiotPunch]

What I am confused by is Bucks fans hated Coach Bud, calling for his head for years and because they won the chip last year he is suddenly a great coach. Ime hasn't proved much yet in the playoffs. But i find it laughable when bucks fans say they have the coaching advantage. When really we don't know which team has the coaching advantage because of so little data to go by for Ime.

Game 3 should give more insight. I think bucks stick with their same game plan (as usual) and make no adjustments. They are going to hope Celtics don't shoot from 3 like that again (which is a possibility). What Bud needs to do is keep on using Giannis as the screener on every single possession until Celtics adjust.

I called for his head because he was stubborn and refused to adjust. Thanks to Jrue/Tucker pushing for more switching last year, he finally became more open to different philosophies, and it paid dividends by way of a championship.

He's always been a good coach who relied on his system, now he is a good coach willing to deviate from that system if need-be. The thing that still frustrates the hell out of me is that he will ride or die with his original system until it crashes and burns, which is what we saw in Game 2. If last season's run taught me anything, it's that he is slow to adjust, but he will. I expect Game 3 to be quite a bit different.

I have long loved Udoka as a coach as well, he and Bud were always the Pop disciples I wanted to coach my Bucks. Bud only has him in the experience department. Ime made the obvious adjustments, Bud took the wait and see approach rather than anticipating them ( ) and here we are.

Thanks for your input....its always good to hear from a fan who usually has more in depth knowledge about their team. I wish coaches reacted to making adjustments even quicker than game to game such as Ty Lue. Clippers will look bad and after half time its a completely different team with how they play on offense and defense.

Do you think bucks / bud will continue with the drop coverage, pack the paint defense, giving up open 3s? From an outsider it doesn't seem like he deviates much from his defensive schemes.

I think you'll see them start in the drop again. C's shooting at that clip is not sustainable, especially coming into our house. We are still winning the paint battle by a good margin, so the math still checks out in Bud's mind. Brook started the game with a nice block, but the Giannis/Jrue hero ball early really thrust you guys into transition against an unbalanced defense often. Credit to you guys though, baiting Giannis to lick his chops at a 1v1 only to get late help and force ugly shots. Obviously, you guys being +51 on the perimeter is a problem (lol) but I think the real reason we lost was lack of ball movement on offense and not using Giannis off-ball as a screener, not necessarily the drop.

[Blaze4G]

I think it's a little disingenuous to argue that Bud has done nothing to adjust to Boston's defense.

In Game 1, the offensive gameplan worked perfectly. They got open looks and won by double digits with Giannis having a poor shooting night and missing shots he normally makes.

In Game 2 they shot themselves in the foot early with dumb play from Giannis and Jrue. Bud has never been great at adjusting in game, but by the time it mattered yesterday the game was over.

All of that said, I'm not worried about our defense or Boston hitting 20 threes at a 47% clip again. If they sustain that, they're winning the title regardless. I am worried about the adjustment Bud makes between Game 2 and 3 offensively. That will be key.

I think game 2 had more to do with Celtics not doubling or tripling Giannis, giving him easy passes to open teammates. In game 2 he had no open guys to pass it to because Celtics played man to man defense.

Also, not sure if you meant to quote me but imo bucks hasn't adjusted their defense (didn't mention about their offense). What I saw from Bucks that I am almost sure Bud will utilize more is using Giannis as a screener. That gave the bucks quite a few open lay ups in 3rd qtr in game 2.

I expect to see a lot more screens by Giannis and some pick and pop.

[SirChurros]

I think it's a little disingenuous to argue that Bud has done nothing to adjust to Boston's defense.

In Game 1, the offensive gameplan worked perfectly. They got open looks and won by double digits with Giannis having a poor shooting night and missing shots he normally makes.

In Game 2 they shot themselves in the foot early with dumb play from Giannis and Jrue. Bud has never been great at adjusting in game, but by the time it mattered yesterday the game was over.

All of that said, I'm not worried about our defense or Boston hitting 20 threes at a 47% clip again. If they sustain that, they're winning the title regardless. I am worried about the adjustment Bud makes between Game 2 and 3 offensively. That will be key.

I think game 2 had more to do with Celtics not doubling or tripling Giannis, giving him easy passes to open teammates. In game 2 he had no open guys to pass it to because Celtics played man to man defense.

Also, not sure if you meant to quote me but imo bucks hasn't adjusted their defense (didn't mention about their offense). What I saw from Bucks that I am almost sure Bud will utilize more is using Giannis as a screener. That gave the bucks quite a few open lay ups in 3rd qtr in game 2.

I expect to see a lot more screens by Giannis and some pick and pop.

My point was they haven't needed to adjust their defense, in my opinion.

[JShuttlesworth]

I hope the Celtics can steal a game in Milwaukee

Let's go 7 games

[bisme37]

It's the Bucks offense I'm not really getting. Giannis isn't having much luck against Horford or Grant W and it seems like Basketball 101 to set picks that will get a smaller defender switched onto him. I'm assuming they'll do some of that in Game 3 but then again I was expecting it in Game 2 and it didn't happen.

[RiotPunch]

I wonder how long Budenholzer is going to keep riding Lopez in the starting line-up when he clearly never should be in this series. I thought he learned his lesson last year, but some of these coaches refuse to see what's in front of them.

*Never* feels harsh. He got hosed by the refs yesterday, but he's been solid overall, especially protecting the rim.

[RiotPunch]

It's the Bucks offense I'm not really getting. Giannis isn't having much luck against Horford or Grant W and it seems like Basketball 101 to set picks that will get a smaller defender switched onto him. I'm assuming they'll do some of that in Game 3 but then again I was expecting it in Game 2 and it didn't happen.

Took them until the 2nd half to go to some of that. Classic Bud/Bucks. Even as a fan that is used to it, that 1st quarter offense was still perplexing/frustrating as hell to watch.

[thonnisbeastley]

Giannis and Jrue were awful in the first half of game 2. Bucks will need less point Giannis and more Jrue initiated pick n rolls + better ball movement. Other than that they're fine. The whistle always favors the home team in the playoffs so I expect the ticky tack **** constantly called on the Bucks when they had some momentum won't happen in Games 3/4. Bucks won't shoot 16% from 3 again and the C's wont shoot 47%. Need to lose two in order to win in 6!