2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Just curious..

If GS offered Poole/Kuminga/Wiggins for Pascal, do we do it?

Fred/Poole
Gary/Poole
Barnes/Wiggins
OG/Thad
Precious/Dieng? Or whatever free agent at 12-16 mpg

easily, that's a no brainer

that's a tough one but i would say no
you can't take quantity over quality

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

[Madhouse]

Just curious..

If GS offered Poole/Kuminga/Wiggins for Pascal, do we do it?

Fred/Poole
Gary/Poole
Barnes/Wiggins
OG/Thad
Precious/Dieng? Or whatever free agent at 12-16 mpg

easily, that's a no brainer

that's a tough one but i would say no
you can't take quantity over quality

22 year old MIP candidate averaging 22/3/6, 55/45/87 in the playoffs and 5 star talent 19 year old Kuminga for a 28 year old one time Allstar is not an offer I would refuse at all.

[PhilBlackson]

easily, that's a no brainer

that's a tough one but i would say no
you can't take quantity over quality

22 year old MIP candidate averaging 22/3/6, 55/45/87 in the playoffs and 5 star talent 19 year old Kuminga for a 28 year old one time Allstar is not an offer I would refuse at all.

I think the Raptors would turn Kuminga into an absolute MONSTER....him & Scottie would be the closest thing to VC/TMac that the franchise has had since they left except both guys are actually stronger and Scottie is a better passer than either. It's crazy that 22 y/o (same age as rookie FVV & Pascal) with the talent Poole has would just be icing on the cake and it's not like he would stop developing either.

I love & have MASSIVE respect for the bounce back Pascal has had but realistically he's not on the same timeline as Scottie. By the time Scottie is really coming into his own in 4-5 years, Siakam will be coming out of his prime and especially as a guy who's very dependent on his speed and quickness, I don't think it will be a pretty decline. Meanwhile Poole & Kuminga would be the perfect ages to grow with Scottie & OG. Then we'd still have Fred & Gary to potentially trade for even more talent. I don't think GSW would be looking to do this trade but if they were I'd do it too.

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

I'd be massively torn over that.

I just have such little faith that Zion himself has the fire & determination inside to keep HIMSELF on track physically. Sure we definitely have everything he could need from staff (Alex) & actual facilities and a freak of nature like that in our development system could unleash him to be one of the top 5 players in the league. BUT I just don't know what to make of Zion as an actual person, does he REALLY want it or is he content with all the money he's gotten/getting?! It feels like the later.

With all that said, truth be told I'd probably fold and make that trade. He's not Kawhi but like him, it's not everyday the potential to add top 5 talent in the league falls in your laps and I'd love the boost of attention the franchise would be given with him. Plus if you hit on him, you're a contender, plain & simple....with Pascal, I think we're limited somewhere around the middle of the pack unless we can package Gary, OG and/or Fred into another elite star.

[Ackshun]

that's a tough one but i would say no
you can't take quantity over quality

22 year old MIP candidate averaging 22/3/6, 55/45/87 in the playoffs and 5 star talent 19 year old Kuminga for a 28 year old one time Allstar is not an offer I would refuse at all.

I think the Raptors would turn Kuminga into an absolute MONSTER....him & Scottie would be the closest thing to VC/TMac that the franchise has had since they left except both guys are actually stronger and Scottie is a better passer than either. It's crazy that 22 y/o (same age as rookie FVV & Pascal) with the talent Poole has would just be icing on the cake and it's not like he would stop developing either.

I love & have MASSIVE respect for the bounce back Pascal has had but realistically he's not on the same timeline as Scottie. By the time Scottie is really coming into his own in 4-5 years, Siakam will be coming out of his prime and especially as a guy who's very dependent on his speed and quickness, I don't think it will be a pretty decline. Meanwhile Poole & Kuminga would be the perfect ages to grow with Scottie & OG. Then we'd still have Fred & Gary to potentially trade for even more talent. I don't think GSW would be looking to do this trade but if they were I'd do it too.

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

I'd be massively torn over that.

I just have such little faith that Zion himself has the fire & determination inside to keep HIMSELF on track physically. Sure we definitely have everything he could need from staff (Alex) & actual facilities and a freak of nature like that in our development system could unleash him to be one of the top 5 players in the league. BUT I just don't know what to make of Zion as an actual person, does he REALLY want it or is he content with all the money he's gotten/getting?! It feels like the later.

With all that said, truth be told I'd probably fold and make that trade. He's not Kawhi but like him, it's not everyday the potential to add top 5 talent in the league falls in your laps and I'd love the boost of attention the franchise would be given with him. Plus if you hit on him, you're a contender, plain & simple....with Pascal, I think we're limited somewhere around the middle of the pack unless we can package Gary, OG and/or Fred into another elite star.

Would you throw Fred in, and ask for a few picks?

Pascal/Fred for Kuminga/Poole/Wiggins/Wiseman/2 picks..

I waz big on Poole going into the season so I'm feeling like a Homer, but the thought of pairing him with Barnes is tantalizing

Poole
Trent
OG
Barnes
Precious

[PhilBlackson]

22 year old MIP candidate averaging 22/3/6, 55/45/87 in the playoffs and 5 star talent 19 year old Kuminga for a 28 year old one time Allstar is not an offer I would refuse at all.

I think the Raptors would turn Kuminga into an absolute MONSTER....him & Scottie would be the closest thing to VC/TMac that the franchise has had since they left except both guys are actually stronger and Scottie is a better passer than either. It's crazy that 22 y/o (same age as rookie FVV & Pascal) with the talent Poole has would just be icing on the cake and it's not like he would stop developing either.

I love & have MASSIVE respect for the bounce back Pascal has had but realistically he's not on the same timeline as Scottie. By the time Scottie is really coming into his own in 4-5 years, Siakam will be coming out of his prime and especially as a guy who's very dependent on his speed and quickness, I don't think it will be a pretty decline. Meanwhile Poole & Kuminga would be the perfect ages to grow with Scottie & OG. Then we'd still have Fred & Gary to potentially trade for even more talent. I don't think GSW would be looking to do this trade but if they were I'd do it too.

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

I'd be massively torn over that.

I just have such little faith that Zion himself has the fire & determination inside to keep HIMSELF on track physically. Sure we definitely have everything he could need from staff (Alex) & actual facilities and a freak of nature like that in our development system could unleash him to be one of the top 5 players in the league. BUT I just don't know what to make of Zion as an actual person, does he REALLY want it or is he content with all the money he's gotten/getting?! It feels like the later.

With all that said, truth be told I'd probably fold and make that trade. He's not Kawhi but like him, it's not everyday the potential to add top 5 talent in the league falls in your laps and I'd love the boost of attention the franchise would be given with him. Plus if you hit on him, you're a contender, plain & simple....with Pascal, I think we're limited somewhere around the middle of the pack unless we can package Gary, OG and/or Fred into another elite star.

Would you throw Fred in, and ask for a few picks?

Pascal/Fred for Kuminga/Poole/Wiggins/Wiseman/2 picks..

I waz big on Poole going into the season so I'm feeling like a Homer, but the thought of pairing him with Barnes is tantalizing

Nah, I don't think it's worth it for us or them with Fred...

I'm not that high on Wiseman personally and idc what anyone says Wiggins is STILL overrated. The Warriors likely wouldn't offer any picks outside the window of those guys' contracts so they'd be fairly meaningless end of 1st rdrs and realistically the Warriors probably couldn't handle that ridiculous amount of salary. Even Pascal would be stretching them to the max, paying the ungodly amount of luxury tax just for little ol Fred (who wouldn't even be in the starting lineup) wouldn't remotely be worth it to them.

I know a lot of this board loves Fred but I don't think he'll fetch a great trade package. A short, stocky PG that has issues with his knees and now HIP that wants a big payday....where did we hear that before?! *ahem* IT. I'm not saying he'll turn out that way but personally I'd be shopping Fred now while he still is on an all-time high and his contract hasn't become too much to take on.

[Ackshun]

easily, that's a no brainer

that's a tough one but i would say no
you can't take quantity over quality

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

That dudes injury. I dunno man. His body composition is just screaming injury riddled career, unfortunately.

I'm more inclined to add 2-3 pieces instead. I just don't see many teams that have a need for him.

[Ackshun]

I think the Raptors would turn Kuminga into an absolute MONSTER....him & Scottie would be the closest thing to VC/TMac that the franchise has had since they left except both guys are actually stronger and Scottie is a better passer than either. It's crazy that 22 y/o (same age as rookie FVV & Pascal) with the talent Poole has would just be icing on the cake and it's not like he would stop developing either.

I love & have MASSIVE respect for the bounce back Pascal has had but realistically he's not on the same timeline as Scottie. By the time Scottie is really coming into his own in 4-5 years, Siakam will be coming out of his prime and especially as a guy who's very dependent on his speed and quickness, I don't think it will be a pretty decline. Meanwhile Poole & Kuminga would be the perfect ages to grow with Scottie & OG. Then we'd still have Fred & Gary to potentially trade for even more talent. I don't think GSW would be looking to do this trade but if they were I'd do it too.



I'd be massively torn over that.

I just have such little faith that Zion himself has the fire & determination inside to keep HIMSELF on track physically. Sure we definitely have everything he could need from staff (Alex) & actual facilities and a freak of nature like that in our development system could unleash him to be one of the top 5 players in the league. BUT I just don't know what to make of Zion as an actual person, does he REALLY want it or is he content with all the money he's gotten/getting?! It feels like the later.

With all that said, truth be told I'd probably fold and make that trade. He's not Kawhi but like him, it's not everyday the potential to add top 5 talent in the league falls in your laps and I'd love the boost of attention the franchise would be given with him. Plus if you hit on him, you're a contender, plain & simple....with Pascal, I think we're limited somewhere around the middle of the pack unless we can package Gary, OG and/or Fred into another elite star.

Would you throw Fred in, and ask for a few picks?

Pascal/Fred for Kuminga/Poole/Wiggins/Wiseman/2 picks..

I waz big on Poole going into the season so I'm feeling like a Homer, but the thought of pairing him with Barnes is tantalizing

Nah, I don't think it's worth it for us or them with Fred...

I'm not that high on Wiseman personally and idc what anyone says Wiggins is STILL overrated. The Warriors likely wouldn't offer any picks outside the window of those guys' contracts so they'd be fairly meaningless end of 1st rdrs and realistically the Warriors probably couldn't handle that ridiculous amount of salary. Even Pascal would be stretching them to the max, paying the ungodly amount of luxury tax just for little ol Fred (who wouldn't even be in the starting lineup) wouldn't remotely be worth it to them.

I know a lot of this board loves Fred but I don't think he'll fetch a great trade package. A short, stocky PG that has issues with his knees and now HIP that wants a big payday....where did we hear that before?! *ahem* IT. I'm not saying he'll turn out that way but personally I'd be shopping Fred now while he still is on an all-time high and his contract hasn't become too much to take on.

Yeah I'm not big on Wiseman but he his salary was needed to make it work with FVV.

I agree, in that I don't think he fetches a great return but perhaps GS would seek to replace Poole's contributions. Fred could fill that void in a 6th man role.

I just don't see many teams that need Pascal, that are in the "get over the hump" stages...

[PhilBlackson]

Would you throw Fred in, and ask for a few picks?

Pascal/Fred for Kuminga/Poole/Wiggins/Wiseman/2 picks..

I waz big on Poole going into the season so I'm feeling like a Homer, but the thought of pairing him with Barnes is tantalizing

Nah, I don't think it's worth it for us or them with Fred...

I'm not that high on Wiseman personally and idc what anyone says Wiggins is STILL overrated. The Warriors likely wouldn't offer any picks outside the window of those guys' contracts so they'd be fairly meaningless end of 1st rdrs and realistically the Warriors probably couldn't handle that ridiculous amount of salary. Even Pascal would be stretching them to the max, paying the ungodly amount of luxury tax just for little ol Fred (who wouldn't even be in the starting lineup) wouldn't remotely be worth it to them.

I know a lot of this board loves Fred but I don't think he'll fetch a great trade package. A short, stocky PG that has issues with his knees and now HIP that wants a big payday....where did we hear that before?! *ahem* IT. I'm not saying he'll turn out that way but personally I'd be shopping Fred now while he still is on an all-time high and his contract hasn't become too much to take on.

Yeah I'm not big on Wiseman but he his salary was needed to make it work with FVV.

I agree, in that I don't think he fetches a great return but perhaps GS would seek to replace Poole's contributions. Fred could fill that void in a 6th man role.

I just don't see many teams that need Pascal, that are in the "get over the hump" stages...

Personally I don't see us even entertaining Pascal trades for at least another year based on Masai's presser so it's really all just a fun hypothetical but if we were to then the teams that have been mentioned GSW and NOP would be near the top of the list.

Realistically I think Gary is THE guy at the top of our list to move. I don't think there's any bad blood or issues in the lockerroom with him buuuut our management never refers to him as a core piece AND I get a sense he's either looking to go to a bigger market that better suits his "rock n roll" personality/style or somewhere he's more featured so he can lock in a bigger payday. He clearly wasn't happy in POR off the bench and I'm not sure he's even all that satisfied as just another cog in our starting lineup. He's the guy I'd be most focused on moving and seeing if he can be parlayed into a better rim protector like Turner or something to that effect.

Fred's the guy though I'd personally hope we'd look to trade though out of anyone because I don't think he's going to be worth the BIG contract he's going to ask for. He's not Lowry and he's starting to deal with some scary injuries (last year back soreness, this year the hips), anytime I hear hips & think of a smaller player (not to mention big payday) I think of IT. He may not go that route but nonetheless ALREADY dealing with nagging injuries in his lower body and he'll be in his 30s, I don't think that will end all that well so I'd move him while he's on this high and his contract is still somewhat manageable for any incumbent team.

[Morris_Shatford]

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

Sorry to jump in the middle as this wasn't direct at me;

Seeing this just reminded me of a post I saw here during I think the 2008/09 season;

It was "would you trade Chris Bosh for Greg Oden"
I view the risk / reward aspect of Zion very similarly to Oden back then.

[tecumseh18]

Nah, I don't think it's worth it for us or them with Fred...

I'm not that high on Wiseman personally and idc what anyone says Wiggins is STILL overrated. The Warriors likely wouldn't offer any picks outside the window of those guys' contracts so they'd be fairly meaningless end of 1st rdrs and realistically the Warriors probably couldn't handle that ridiculous amount of salary. Even Pascal would be stretching them to the max, paying the ungodly amount of luxury tax just for little ol Fred (who wouldn't even be in the starting lineup) wouldn't remotely be worth it to them.

I know a lot of this board loves Fred but I don't think he'll fetch a great trade package. A short, stocky PG that has issues with his knees and now HIP that wants a big payday....where did we hear that before?! *ahem* IT. I'm not saying he'll turn out that way but personally I'd be shopping Fred now while he still is on an all-time high and his contract hasn't become too much to take on.

Yeah I'm not big on Wiseman but he his salary was needed to make it work with FVV.

I agree, in that I don't think he fetches a great return but perhaps GS would seek to replace Poole's contributions. Fred could fill that void in a 6th man role.

I just don't see many teams that need Pascal, that are in the "get over the hump" stages...

Personally I don't see us even entertaining Pascal trades for at least another year based on Masai's presser so it's really all just a fun hypothetical but if we were to then the teams that have been mentioned GSW and NOP would be near the top of the list.

Realistically I think Gary is THE guy at the top of our list to move. I don't think there's any bad blood or issues in the lockerroom with him buuuut our management never refers to him as a core piece AND I get a sense he's either looking to go to a bigger market that better suits his "rock n roll" personality/style or somewhere he's more featured so he can lock in a bigger payday. He clearly wasn't happy in POR off the bench and I'm not sure he's even all that satisfied as just another cog in our starting lineup. He's the guy I'd be most focused on moving and seeing if he can be parlayed into a better rim protector like Turner or something to that effect.

Fred's the guy though I'd personally hope we'd look to trade though out of anyone because I don't think he's going to be worth the BIG contract he's going to ask for. He's not Lowry and he's starting to deal with some scary injuries (last year back soreness, this year the hips), anytime I hear hips & think of a smaller player (not to mention big payday) I think of IT. He may not go that route but nonetheless ALREADY dealing with nagging injuries in his lower body and he'll be in his 30s, I don't think that will end all that well so I'd move him while he's on this high and his contract is still somewhat manageable for any incumbent team.

You've described IT as "stocky", but he was never that. Lowry had annual injury problems too, until the Raptors decisively cut his minutes in the 2017-2018 season. Raps still got swept by the Cavs, but that was mainly on DeMar and Casey. Lowry played fine. I'll bet Fred's minutes are reduced next season, substituted by Malachi having got through his sophomore jinx and Banton with another off season of development. Not to mention Scottie and Pascal carrying the ball.

But I agree, Gary is the one who doesn't fit. For him to be an offensive black hole to the extent he is, he'd have to the talent of Kobe Bryant to justify his presence out there. And apart from length, the Raptors defining characteristic is strength at all positions (except at C). Trent doesn't have that. It's possible that he spends all off season in the weight room and comes back ready to handle guys like Harden. His father was pretty strong. But it's at least equally likely that he gets traded.

[DreamTeam09]

I don't get y'all gripe with Gary Trent. On a team that's in dire need of some scoring / shooting / iso buckets, he does exactly what we need/ask fr him.

We don't ask Gary to Playmake for us, we ask him to shoot score and play defense.

U know who gets ast and Playmakes for us, Pascal/Barnes/Fred

Boston doesn't ask brown to Playmake for the Celtics
Brooks and Bane ain't out there looking for other
Klay gets the ball and shoots it right away

[Asif16]

Oh great another off-season of hypothetical Siakam trades that have zero chance of happening.

Like did people not watch the Masai presser? OR are we just doing it cuz its fun to talk about stuff that aint happening?

[Asif16]

I would split the MLE between Gary Harris and Thad Young. Bring Back Boucher.

I would see If I can Trade Birch + Svi + Yuta + Picks for salary relief. I think Raps most likely take a run at Nick Claxton

Fred VanVleet / Malachi Flynn
Gary Trent Jr. / Gary Harris
OG Anunoby / Thad Young / Chris Boucher
Pascal Siakam / Precious Achiwa / Chris Boucher
Scottie Barnes / Nick Claxton /Chris Boucher

[LoveMyRaps]

Based on Masai's presser it definitely seems like Gary is gonna be involved in trade talks this summer.

The front office clearly wants to continue with the big lineup experiment and I believe they'll play OG as the team's SG next season. OG played a career high 27% of his minutes at the SG position this season according to BBALLREF.

Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa

Is that the lineup for next season?

We could trade Trent for a couple future assets (picks/prospects) or use him as part of a bigger package for an upgrade at the center position.

Note: I'd prefer to hang onto Trent and trade Fred.

[ash_k]

Based on Masai's presser it definitely seems like Gary is gonna be involved in trade talks this summer.

The front office clearly wants to continue with the big lineup experiment and I believe they'll play OG as the team's SG next season. OG played a career high 27% of his minutes at the SG position this season according to BBALLREF.

Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa

Is that the lineup for next season?

We could trade Trent for a couple future assets (picks/prospects) or use him as part of a bigger package for an upgrade at the center position.

Note: I'd prefer to hang onto Trent and trade Fred.

I think at some point, the "Trade Fred" crew has to remember that Masai was at the Oracle in game 6 when Fred took over the game in the 4th quarter. In the most pressurized moment Basketball has to offer. Do you understand how SIGNIFICANT that is?
So if posters are going to include Fred in any trade package, at least make sure the return package has a player with multiple All-star appearances

[HumbleRen]

I think the issue with FVV and GTJ is they're good but not great enough to get a good return on them.

You might as well just keep them and hope to develop them because we wouldn't necessarily get good haul for FVV or GTJ. No self respecting team would give up an all star for either of them.

[DangerZone13]

Small idea that could work:

Premise being with Rudy uncertainty, and Whiteside being a FA, Birch could be useful to Utah who didn't seem enthused about incorporating NAW into the lineup.

Either:
Birch+future 2nd for NAW+Azubuike. Jazz get a stopgap bench big for two guys who rarely see time. Raps get a couple young guys to see what they can get out of them while clearing Birch for a MLE signing - Smith or Bamba maybe.

or if Thad has indicated his family wants to be in America, maybe

Birch+Svi+future 2nd for Gay+NAW.

[DreamTeam09]

Based on Masai's presser it definitely seems like Gary is gonna be involved in trade talks this summer.

The front office clearly wants to continue with the big lineup experiment and I believe they'll play OG as the team's SG next season. OG played a career high 27% of his minutes at the SG position this season according to BBALLREF.

Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa

Is that the lineup for next season?

We could trade Trent for a couple future assets (picks/prospects) or use him as part of a bigger package for an upgrade at the center position.

Note: I'd prefer to hang onto Trent and trade Fred.

I think at some point, the "Trade Fred" crew has to remember that Masai was at the Oracle in game 6 when Fred took over the game in the 4th quarter. In the most pressurized moment Basketball has to offer. Do you understand how SIGNIFICANT that is?
So if posters are going to include Fred in any trade package, at least make sure the return package has a player with multiple All-star appearances

He did that off the bench tho, and I believe that if we were to ever get back to that position, he'd have to be in the same position as well. A sparkplug leader game changer off of the bench

[ash_k]

Based on Masai's presser it definitely seems like Gary is gonna be involved in trade talks this summer.

The front office clearly wants to continue with the big lineup experiment and I believe they'll play OG as the team's SG next season. OG played a career high 27% of his minutes at the SG position this season according to BBALLREF.

Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa

Is that the lineup for next season?

We could trade Trent for a couple future assets (picks/prospects) or use him as part of a bigger package for an upgrade at the center position.

Note: I'd prefer to hang onto Trent and trade Fred.

I think at some point, the "Trade Fred" crew has to remember that Masai was at the Oracle in game 6 when Fred took over the game in the 4th quarter. In the most pressurized moment Basketball has to offer. Do you understand how SIGNIFICANT that is?
So if posters are going to include Fred in any trade package, at least make sure the return package has a player with multiple All-star appearances

He did that off the bench tho, and I believe that if we were to ever get back to that position, he'd have to be in the same position as well. A sparkplug leader game changer off of the bench

just by your comment I can tell you don't understand at all the significance.
First of all, he was playing 30+/starter minutes from Mid Milwaukee-series through the NBA finals. Starting its second halves....So not only he took over the game in the most pressurized moment Basketball has to offer, he did it while shutting down the "Greatest shooter of all time".
Zach Lavine is about to get paid, but in the first round his scoring averaged dropped 5 points, everything dropped as he could not handle the pressure. You can dream about other all-stars if you want, like the 2 All-Stars in Minnesota.
Meanwhile Masai will stick with that All-Star that won him the title in that Game 6's 4th quarter

[Ell Curry]

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

Sorry to jump in the middle as this wasn't direct at me;

Seeing this just reminded me of a post I saw here during I think the 2008/09 season;

It was "would you trade Chris Bosh for Greg Oden"
I view the risk / reward aspect of Zion very similarly to Oden back then.

I think it's a worse proposition because Oden missing a year would have brought us a top 3 pick and now Zion missing a year just puts us in the play-in.