Jalen Brunson obsession

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That has more to do with suns defense then Luka lol

[TheGreenArrow]

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That has more to do with suns defense then Luka lol

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HARD PASS ON BRUNSON FOLKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HARD PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Once again, outside of how the trade gets larger and more complicated assuming Brunson really wants the Knicks etc - I think he'd be a solid addition to the PG/Guard rotation.

Even if you are an IQ believer, Brunson isn't a bad idea. They can split PG and either one can get additional minutes at SG.

Like a lot of decisions the Knicks need to make, they generally involve several other cascading decisions, decisions that would exist even if this was an NBA 2K scenario and Knicks could make every move they or we want them to make, with ease.

Like, Knicks get Brunson, is Mitch in the S&T?
Would the Knicks not mind putting Mitch in the S&T because they want to open minutes at the 5 for Randle/Obi and more small ball?

If Brunson comes, do the Knicks trade D Rose and let Brunson/IQ run point?
If not, can IQ's minutes come at SG instead? Is that enough? What about Grimes?

If Grimes gets pushed to backup SF, since we'll assume Fournier is still here and we are totally ignoring Burks, would the Knicks really want to give those minutes to Grimes instead of Cam?

If Cam is pushed out of backup SF, are there ANY backup minutes behind Obi or Randle at PF?

Maybe the Knicks want to move on from Mitch Robinson but want Turner and magically get him. Even if they also shed Noel and would be willing to go "small" behind Turner with Randle, there might be a minutes crunch still for Cam or Grimes, even if Burks is gone, if Brunson winds up on the team with Turner but Rose isn't traded.


Another TL/DR - yes, the Knicks are going to get 4 roster spots opened up next year by Burks, Noel, Rose and Taj coming off the books,and possibly 5 with Cam, but they'll still have a draft pick and then another draft coming up.

We all have our young players we root for, we'd like to keep all of them, but they really can't. And sure, in theory it's easy to discount Burks and Noel, but harder to actually get rid of them. Fournier we can't assume is just "gone" in some trade and same for Randle, not matter how much he pisses off 3/4's of the fanbase.

Knicks have some navigating to do. Not sure this FO is up to the task. Probably not.
Knicks need some roster consolidation

[8516knicks]

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That has more to do with suns defense then Luka lol

Yep!!!!!!!!

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HARD PASS ON BRUNSON FOLKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HARD PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - Bring back Payton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Appleshampoo]

Once again, outside of how the trade gets larger and more complicated assuming Brunson really wants the Knicks etc - I think he'd be a solid addition to the PG/Guard rotation.

Even if you are an IQ believer, Brunson isn't a bad idea. They can split PG and either one can get additional minutes at SG.

Like a lot of decisions the Knicks need to make, they generally involve several other cascading decisions, decisions that would exist even if this was an NBA 2K scenario and Knicks could make every move they or we want them to make, with ease.

Like, Knicks get Brunson, is Mitch in the S&T?
Would the Knicks not mind putting Mitch in the S&T because they want to open minutes at the 5 for Randle/Obi and more small ball?

If Brunson comes, do the Knicks trade D Rose and let Brunson/IQ run point?
If not, can IQ's minutes come at SG instead? Is that enough? What about Grimes?

If Grimes gets pushed to backup SF, since we'll assume Fournier is still here and we are totally ignoring Burks, would the Knicks really want to give those minutes to Grimes instead of Cam?

If Cam is pushed out of backup SF, are there ANY backup minutes behind Obi or Randle at PF?

Maybe the Knicks want to move on from Mitch Robinson but want Turner and magically get him. Even if they also shed Noel and would be willing to go "small" behind Turner with Randle, there might be a minutes crunch still for Cam or Grimes, even if Burks is gone, if Brunson winds up on the team with Turner but Rose isn't traded.


Another TL/DR - yes, the Knicks are going to get 4 roster spots opened up next year by Burks, Noel, Rose and Taj coming off the books,and possibly 5 with Cam, but they'll still have a draft pick and then another draft coming up.

We all have our young players we root for, we'd like to keep all of them, but they really can't. And sure, in theory it's easy to discount Burks and Noel, but harder to actually get rid of them. Fournier we can't assume is just "gone" in some trade and same for Randle, not matter how much he pisses off 3/4's of the fanbase.

Knicks have some navigating to do. Not sure this FO is up to the task. Probably not.
Knicks need some roster consolidation

Good points. Basically, there are two truths: Some combo of Cam/Obi/Quickley/Grimes/Mitch and some combo of Noel/Burks/Kemba/Fournier/Rose won't be on the team next season.

Youth like Cam is needed to facilitate moving veterans and consolidating the roster. Especially if the impending roster consolidation is going to upgrade overall talent.

[TheGreenArrow]

That has more to do with suns defense then Luka lol

Yep!!!!!!!!

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HARD PASS ON BRUNSON FOLKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HARD PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - Bring back Payton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or we can just start quickly a kid we drafted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But that’s jus too logical for the Knicks to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thebuzzardman]

Once again, outside of how the trade gets larger and more complicated assuming Brunson really wants the Knicks etc - I think he'd be a solid addition to the PG/Guard rotation.

Even if you are an IQ believer, Brunson isn't a bad idea. They can split PG and either one can get additional minutes at SG.

Like a lot of decisions the Knicks need to make, they generally involve several other cascading decisions, decisions that would exist even if this was an NBA 2K scenario and Knicks could make every move they or we want them to make, with ease.

Like, Knicks get Brunson, is Mitch in the S&T?
Would the Knicks not mind putting Mitch in the S&T because they want to open minutes at the 5 for Randle/Obi and more small ball?

If Brunson comes, do the Knicks trade D Rose and let Brunson/IQ run point?
If not, can IQ's minutes come at SG instead? Is that enough? What about Grimes?

If Grimes gets pushed to backup SF, since we'll assume Fournier is still here and we are totally ignoring Burks, would the Knicks really want to give those minutes to Grimes instead of Cam?

If Cam is pushed out of backup SF, are there ANY backup minutes behind Obi or Randle at PF?

Maybe the Knicks want to move on from Mitch Robinson but want Turner and magically get him. Even if they also shed Noel and would be willing to go "small" behind Turner with Randle, there might be a minutes crunch still for Cam or Grimes, even if Burks is gone, if Brunson winds up on the team with Turner but Rose isn't traded.


Another TL/DR - yes, the Knicks are going to get 4 roster spots opened up next year by Burks, Noel, Rose and Taj coming off the books,and possibly 5 with Cam, but they'll still have a draft pick and then another draft coming up.

We all have our young players we root for, we'd like to keep all of them, but they really can't. And sure, in theory it's easy to discount Burks and Noel, but harder to actually get rid of them. Fournier we can't assume is just "gone" in some trade and same for Randle, not matter how much he pisses off 3/4's of the fanbase.

Knicks have some navigating to do. Not sure this FO is up to the task. Probably not.
Knicks need some roster consolidation

Good points. Basically, there are two truths: Some combo of Cam/Obi/Quickley/Grimes/Mitch and some combo of Noel/Burks/Kemba/Fournier/Rose won't be on the team next season.

Youth like Cam is needed to facilitate moving veterans and consolidating the roster. Especially if the impending roster consolidation is going to upgrade overall talent.

Not even counting the cap, there's an element of the Melo trade in here, in that a lot of people were pissed that Chandler got included with Gallo, Mozgov as well, etc etc. Mozgov could probably have been kept, but pretty sure it was sorted that there wasn't enough money to keep Chandler anyway. Ideally, they could have, if only to have more depth or an asset to flip, but just wasn't there.

Once the Knicks didn't so such an outstanding job in FA and particularly when they didn't move anyone at the deadline, to combine with the fact these less than compelling players got two guaranteed years instead of one really raised the degree of difficulty.

I mean, there's a minor "good problem to have" with the youth, because even snapping the fingers and every vet is gone, might still be a slight roster crunch, but not it's all those young guys AND Fournier/Rose/Burks/Noel/Taj, to say nothing of Randle.

I can't even begin to figure it out. Every move has an up and down side.
Mitchell would be great but there's just no way he's not too expensive. Plus Knicks can't beat Miami's offer.
Brunson would be nice and I'd personally be willing to lose Mitch and have to take on Bertrans, who makes Fournier look like Rodman. Then the Knicks defense takes a hit, but again, what can you do.

I'd love for them to move Randle, but with WWW and the whole Kentucky thing, I figure Randle gets one more year at least, same as Thibs, with what they view as legit 48 minutes of PG play.

Not saying it's the right move or the moves I'd like, but probably something like that. Or Mitch walks for nothing and they don't really care. Who knows.

[thebuzzardman]

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HARD PASS ON BRUNSON FOLKSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HARD PASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - Bring back Payton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or we can just start quickly a kid we drafted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But that’s jus too logical for the Knicks to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We don't really know if IQ is a starting quality PG. I have my doubts, and I mostly like IQ.
It's a risk taking that chance and also counting on Rose as the backup.
Could lead to 20 mpg of Burks at PG all over again.
And no one wants that but Chanel.

[moocow007]

At the end of the day, like I've said before and I'm sure I'll say again, folks need to really stop with the getting too high when a player goes good and then getting too low when the player goes bad.

Brunson is who he is. A very good player that can play both guard positions, is aggressive, is physical and that is a good team guy. He is not a star or a superstar caliber player. Just like Fred Van Vleet wasn't last season. Just like Patty Mills was many years ago when many of you were pushing him as the "solution" for the Knicks PG problems. Just like folks were saying about Mardy Collins when the Knicks drafted him back in 2006. The list goes on and on and on.

Just be realistic. I don't get why people have to build up these crazy images of what a guy is and can be. Fans do this all the type, they set themselves up for disappointment by building guys up to unrealistic expectations. We've done this with every single lottery pick and every single semi big free agent signing or trade. Then when they inevitably show they cannot live to those unrealistic expectations fans turn on them.

If anyone ever heard the term "vicious cycle", that's what it means and what his happening now with Brunson.

[8516knicks]

At the end of the day, like I've said before and I'm sure I'll say again, folks need to really stop with the getting too high when a player goes good and then getting too low when the player goes bad.

Brunson is who he is. A very good player that can play both guard positions, is aggressive, is physical and that is a good team guy. He is not a star or a superstar caliber player. Just like Fred Van Vleet was last season. Just like Patty Mills was many years ago when many of you were pushing him as the "solution" for the Knicks PG problems.

Just be realistic. I don't get why people have to build up these crazy images of what a guy. Fans do this all the type, they set themselves up for disappointment by building guys up to unrealistic expectations. We've done this with every single lottery pick and every single semi big free agent signing or trade.

If anyone ever heard the term "vicious cycle", that's what it means.

At one point people were saying this about Lowery, Conlely and Dragic. Yet I think Knick fans would have been very happy with any of them in their prime. But back to BRING BACK MUDIAY!!!!! HARD PASS on Morant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[moocow007]

At the end of the day, like I've said before and I'm sure I'll say again, folks need to really stop with the getting too high when a player goes good and then getting too low when the player goes bad.

Brunson is who he is. A very good player that can play both guard positions, is aggressive, is physical and that is a good team guy. He is not a star or a superstar caliber player. Just like Fred Van Vleet was last season. Just like Patty Mills was many years ago when many of you were pushing him as the "solution" for the Knicks PG problems.

Just be realistic. I don't get why people have to build up these crazy images of what a guy. Fans do this all the type, they set themselves up for disappointment by building guys up to unrealistic expectations. We've done this with every single lottery pick and every single semi big free agent signing or trade.

If anyone ever heard the term "vicious cycle", that's what it means.

At one point peope were saying this about Lowery, Conlely and Dragic. Yet I think Knick fans would have been very happy with any of them in their prime. But back to BRING BACK MUDIAY!!!!! HARD PASS on Morant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??? Folks weren't willing to trade anyone to get Lowery or Conley lol (proven guys). Do we really need to dig up those threads? These same folks were saying that CP3 was too old. And this was 2 contracts, many many moons ago and how many playoff success stories ago? And if you are implying that Brunson is anywhere near a Morant then you have just proven my post that you just quoted. As far as Mudiay? That'll be what you guys will be comparing Brunson to if he ends up with the Knicks and don't live up to unrealistic expectations.

[8516knicks]

At the end of the day, like I've said before and I'm sure I'll say again, folks need to really stop with the getting too high when a player goes good and then getting too low when the player goes bad.

Brunson is who he is. A very good player that can play both guard positions, is aggressive, is physical and that is a good team guy. He is not a star or a superstar caliber player. Just like Fred Van Vleet was last season. Just like Patty Mills was many years ago when many of you were pushing him as the "solution" for the Knicks PG problems.

Just be realistic. I don't get why people have to build up these crazy images of what a guy. Fans do this all the type, they set themselves up for disappointment by building guys up to unrealistic expectations. We've done this with every single lottery pick and every single semi big free agent signing or trade.

If anyone ever heard the term "vicious cycle", that's what it means.

At one point peope were saying this about Lowery, Conlely and Dragic. Yet I think Knick fans would have been very happy with any of them in their prime. But back to BRING BACK MUDIAY!!!!! HARD PASS on Morant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??? Folks weren't willing to trade anyone to get Lowery or Conley lol (proven guys). Do we really need to dig up those threads? These same folks were saying that CP3 was too old. And this was 2 contracts, many many moons ago and how many playoff success stories ago? And if you are implying that Brunson is anywhere near a Morant then you have just proven my post that you just quoted. As far as Mudiay? That'll be what you guys will be comparing Brunson to if he ends up with the Knicks and don't live up to unrealistic expectations.

apparently sarcasm is a neglected art.

[moocow007]

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At one point peope were saying this about Lowery, Conlely and Dragic. Yet I think Knick fans would have been very happy with any of them in their prime. But back to BRING BACK MUDIAY!!!!! HARD PASS on Morant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

??? Folks weren't willing to trade anyone to get Lowery or Conley lol (proven guys). Do we really need to dig up those threads? These same folks were saying that CP3 was too old. And this was 2 contracts, many many moons ago and how many playoff success stories ago? And if you are implying that Brunson is anywhere near a Morant then you have just proven my post that you just quoted. As far as Mudiay? That'll be what you guys will be comparing Brunson to if he ends up with the Knicks and don't live up to unrealistic expectations.

apparently sarcasm is a neglected art.

So you agree with what I said originally? If so, then yes, I missed the sarcasm. If not, then I don't think you were being sarcastic initially.

[8516knicks]

so no one remembers Houston starting Brooks over both Lowery and Dragic? Gotta get good PGs when u can, not wait till they are $30M/year guys.

[moocow007]

so no one remembers Houston starting Brooks over both Lowery and Dragic? Gotta get good PGs when u can, not wait till they are $30M/year guys.

Brunson will be a free agent potentially 2 or 3 games from now. At that point he will no longer be cheap and will be closer to that $30M/year range. Do you really want just a "good PG" that is making "great PG" money just off of a great series (actually just about 3 games) against a team (Jazz) that was in disarray? The time to get a guy like Brunson was a few years ago, not now when you'll both have to pay him big money AND trade assets to get him unless you really believe that he's worth "great PG" money AND those assets.

[8516knicks]

so no one remembers Houston starting Brooks over both Lowery and Dragic? Gotta get good PGs when u can, not wait till they are $30M/year guys.

Brunson will be a free agent potentially 2 or 3 games from now. At that point he will no longer be cheap and will be closer to that $30M/year range. Do you really want just a "good PG" that is making "great PG" money just off of a great series (actually just about 3 games) against a team (Jazz) that was in disarray? The time to get a guy like Brunson was a few years ago, not now when you'll both have to pay him big money AND trade assets to get him unless you really believe that he's worth "great PG" money AND those assets.

'The time to get a guy like Brunson was a few years ago' - that was my point. We need to find who that person is today!

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[KnicksNext]

Yeah. That's pretty dumb.

The 2023 free agency class has basically dried up, there's nobody in it outside of Jokic and he just said if offered the max extension he's taking it. All of their moves were meant to be ready for 2023 and the fridge is empty

Dang it! We're just gonna have to build through the draft. What a pity.

How many years is that going to take? If we're going that route, that means we're handing RJ 185M, we're going to pay Obi, and what to do about Randle?

I'm all about tanking properly, but the time for that was 5 years ago. Now that we've drafted this next group and some are about to get paid (also if we keep Mitch), we need hit on some picks in a BIG way. Franchise altering talent big way. This group of youth is not getting us anywhere without some serious talent added to the roster via the draft (if that's the route we went)