2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Ell Curry]

Small idea that could work:

Premise being with Rudy uncertainty, and Whiteside being a FA, Birch could be useful to Utah who didn't seem enthused about incorporating NAW into the lineup.

Either:
Birch+future 2nd for NAW+Azubuike. Jazz get a stopgap bench big for two guys who rarely see time. Raps get a couple young guys to see what they can get out of them while clearing Birch for a MLE signing - Smith or Bamba maybe.

or if Thad has indicated his family wants to be in America, maybe

Birch+Svi+future 2nd for Gay+NAW.

We can actually fit NAW into the trade exception we have if Utah will move him for a future 2nd to save money. My assumption is they went for him because they think he's their next Jordan Clarkson type and they'll move Clarkson in some other deal.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

that's a tough one but i would say no
you can't take quantity over quality

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

That dudes injury. I dunno man. His body composition is just screaming injury riddled career, unfortunately.

I'm more inclined to add 2-3 pieces instead. I just don't see many teams that have a need for him.

It’s going to be one of the what if moments of Zion actually plays a full career lol

[agkagk]

Based on Masai's presser it definitely seems like Gary is gonna be involved in trade talks this summer.

The front office clearly wants to continue with the big lineup experiment and I believe they'll play OG as the team's SG next season. OG played a career high 27% of his minutes at the SG position this season according to BBALLREF.

Fred-OG-Barnes-Siakam-Achiuwa

Is that the lineup for next season?

We could trade Trent for a couple future assets (picks/prospects) or use him as part of a bigger package for an upgrade at the center position.

Note: I'd prefer to hang onto Trent and trade Fred.

I think at some point, the "Trade Fred" crew has to remember that Masai was at the Oracle in game 6 when Fred took over the game in the 4th quarter. In the most pressurized moment Basketball has to offer. Do you understand how SIGNIFICANT that is?
So if posters are going to include Fred in any trade package, at least make sure the return package has a player with multiple All-star appearances

These people have no clue what a point guards role is or what doing it exceptionally looks like lol

[DangerZone13]

Small idea that could work:

Premise being with Rudy uncertainty, and Whiteside being a FA, Birch could be useful to Utah who didn't seem enthused about incorporating NAW into the lineup.

Either:
Birch+future 2nd for NAW+Azubuike. Jazz get a stopgap bench big for two guys who rarely see time. Raps get a couple young guys to see what they can get out of them while clearing Birch for a MLE signing - Smith or Bamba maybe.

or if Thad has indicated his family wants to be in America, maybe

Birch+Svi+future 2nd for Gay+NAW.

We can actually fit NAW into the trade exception we have if Utah will move him for a future 2nd to save money. My assumption is they went for him because they think he's their next Jordan Clarkson type and they'll move Clarkson in some other deal.

Is that to say you don't think Utah could use Birch, because I'd argue that he would be pretty useful to them off the bench, and he would be redundant here if we replace him with a Smith/Bamba like I hope they do. At the same time the deal would add one or two wing players who can also handle the ball a bit off the bench.

I'm not sure if it's balanced enough, or what it would take - but I think it's a valid avenue to realistic improvement-around-the-margins this offseason.

[Ell Curry]

Small idea that could work:

Premise being with Rudy uncertainty, and Whiteside being a FA, Birch could be useful to Utah who didn't seem enthused about incorporating NAW into the lineup.

Either:
Birch+future 2nd for NAW+Azubuike. Jazz get a stopgap bench big for two guys who rarely see time. Raps get a couple young guys to see what they can get out of them while clearing Birch for a MLE signing - Smith or Bamba maybe.

or if Thad has indicated his family wants to be in America, maybe

Birch+Svi+future 2nd for Gay+NAW.

We can actually fit NAW into the trade exception we have if Utah will move him for a future 2nd to save money. My assumption is they went for him because they think he's their next Jordan Clarkson type and they'll move Clarkson in some other deal.

Is that to say you don't think Utah could use Birch, because I'd argue that he would be pretty useful to them off the bench, and he would be redundant here if we replace him with a Smith/Bamba like I hope they do. At the same time the deal would add one or two wing players who can also handle the ball a bit off the bench.

I'm not sure if it's balanced enough, or what it would take - but I think it's a valid avenue to realistic improvement-around-the-margins this offseason.

I think Utah would prefer money over Birch, as they probably back themselves to find a Birch at the minimum since they've done well over the years with cheap signings, and are spending a ton.

They'd rather have 6M under the cap to spend the non-tax MLE on a center like Jalen Smith or Hartenstein and can just fit that in (if my math is right) if they waive Juancho and trade us NAW for a 2nd. Maybe they move the 2nd with Rudy Gay to save some money that way.

[arbsn]

Is FVV really worth 30m+ a year? It seems like he will become overpaid and disliked. I think 20-25 is more than fair.

Dinwiddie or Rozier provide 75% of what Freddy does at less than half the cost.

Lots of scoring PGs are out there. I wonder what Brunson gets. I think him and Fred are approximately equal value.

[Raps in 4]

Siakam for Zion

Yes/no?

That dudes injury. I dunno man. His body composition is just screaming injury riddled career, unfortunately.

I'm more inclined to add 2-3 pieces instead. I just don't see many teams that have a need for him.

It’s going to be one of the what if moments of Zion actually plays a full career lol

When Zion actually played, he was historically good for his age.

The problem is he's fat and his game relies heavily on athleticism. That won't age well. Hell, he's already constantly injured due to his weight, and he's only 21.

If there was some indication that he's committed to losing weight, I'd do it, but the dude still weighs like 350 lbs. If anything, he's gotten fatter since not playing.

[Godaddycurse]

Is FVV really worth 30m+ a year? It seems like he will become overpaid and disliked. I think 20-25 is more than fair.

Dinwiddie or Rozier provide 75% of what Freddy does at less than half the cost.

Lots of scoring PGs are out there. I wonder what Brunson gets. I think him and Fred are approximately equal value.

1) Rozier is extended for 25M/year, so he's more like 80% of the cost
2) Dinwiddie and Rozier is nowhere close to Fred defensively
3) Fred pre injury was playing very close to Lowry's level, who made 30+ with a much lower salary cap.

[douggood]

Is FVV really worth 30m+ a year? It seems like he will become overpaid and disliked. I think 20-25 is more than fair.

Dinwiddie or Rozier provide 75% of what Freddy does at less than half the cost.

Lots of scoring PGs are out there. I wonder what Brunson gets. I think him and Fred are approximately equal value.

1) Rozier is extended for 25M/year, so he's more like 80% of the cost
2) Dinwiddie and Rozier is nowhere close to Fred defensively
3) Fred pre injury was playing very close to Lowry's level, who made 30+ with a much lower salary cap.

rozier signed 4 year $97
dinwiddie signed 3yr $62

and rozier/dinwidde signed when the cap was $10 million lower than this year; and by the time fvv extension kicks in(next year) it will be 15-20 mil difference in cap.

[agkagk]

Is FVV really worth 30m+ a year? It seems like he will become overpaid and disliked. I think 20-25 is more than fair.

Dinwiddie or Rozier provide 75% of what Freddy does at less than half the cost.

Lots of scoring PGs are out there. I wonder what Brunson gets. I think him and Fred are approximately equal value.

1) Rozier is extended for 25M/year, so he's more like 80% of the cost
2) Dinwiddie and Rozier is nowhere close to Fred defensively
3) Fred pre injury was playing very close to Lowry's level, who made 30+ with a much lower salary cap.

there are a lot of people on this forum that have no clue what a point guards job is or what doing it at an elite level looks like. Also, zero clue what the trade value of such an asset is!

[Raptorfan2012]

I wonder if we go all-in with our MLE on a back up guard, will the Raptors entertain bringing Ibaka back as a back up C for 1-2 years? Ibaka will be 33 when the season starts - maybe a 2 year contract close to the vet min and let him retire with the Raptors?

[DreamTeam09]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

[mtcan]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

Duncan is all 3...no D...and even his 3 was looking a bit off any time the Raptors played the Heat this season.

Max Strus did more damage than Duncan.

[KL78192020]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

Duncan is all 3...no D...and even his 3 was looking a bit off any time the Raptors played the Heat this season.

Max Strus did more damage than Duncan.

lol Duncan would be a contract dump at this point, he's not even playing anymore. If Miami wants to dump his contract they got give up their 2022 1st round pick at least. There is no way the Raptors would be the ones throwing in a pick.

[DreamTeam09]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

Duncan is all 3...no D...and even his 3 was looking a bit off any time the Raptors played the Heat this season.

Max Strus did more damage than Duncan.

Yeah ino, but last year you wouldn't of even dreamed at saying that comparing him to Strus. Duncan isn't a 0 defender, he gives effort and is smart, that's what needed to be a passable defender.

I'd definitely take him for that package I offered

[DreamTeam09]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

Duncan is all 3...no D...and even his 3 was looking a bit off any time the Raptors played the Heat this season.

Max Strus did more damage than Duncan.

lol Duncan would be a contract dump at this point, he's not even playing anymore. If Miami wants to dump his contract they got give up their 2022 1st round pick at least. There is no way the Raptors would be the ones throwing in a pick.

I doubt his value is that low even with his big contract, I'd take a pick a long with Duncan Robinson tho

[KL78192020]

Duncan is all 3...no D...and even his 3 was looking a bit off any time the Raptors played the Heat this season.

Max Strus did more damage than Duncan.

lol Duncan would be a contract dump at this point, he's not even playing anymore. If Miami wants to dump his contract they got give up their 2022 1st round pick at least. There is no way the Raptors would be the ones throwing in a pick.

I doubt his value is that low even with his big contract, I'd take a pick a long with Duncan Robinson tho

There 20 million dollar player has got 1 garbage minute in the series so far. lol they have no use for him since they got Dipo/Strauss taking his minutes.

[Ackshun]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

I need help here. Who is the 3+D sniper Miami gets here?

[Jadoogar]

Free agents i would target
Tier 1 - Zach Lavine, Deandre Ayton (unlikely but you never know)
Tier 2 - Oladipo, Tyus Jones, Mo Bamba/WCJ
Tier 3 - Ricky Rubio, Nurkic, Jalen Smith,
Tier 4 - Delon Wright, Gary Harris, Marvin Bagley

Trade targets
Myles Turner (perfect fit imo)
Gobert/Mitchell

[DreamTeam09]

ESPN trade machine says it doesn't work but other trade machines put it thru

Birch Flynn Svi for Duncan Robinson

Miami has too much money on the books and at times he fell out of rotation this year, they have cheaper guys they can use in a similar fashion

Deadmon is a FA I believe so they get a cheap replacement and the other two only have 1yr remaining after this season

The Raptors get their 3+D sniper with some size

I'd add a 2nd if need be or swap a 1st for a 2nd

I need help here. Who is the 3+D sniper Miami gets here?

I said the Raptors get their 3+D sniper / Robinson isn't lock down, but he's in the 3+D role