“Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,”

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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#41 » by johanliebert » Thu May 5, 2022 9:05 pm

they dont call carries and its why the league is "positionless". Most of these forwards cant dribble without carrying.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#42 » by Exp0sed » Thu May 5, 2022 9:06 pm

Continuing the long league trend, I get why palming is now basically allowed and Ja is on par with many others on that front

however, plays like the one posted above that are clear travels - should be enforced but aren't for marketing reasons
Ja isn't the only offender on those type of plays as well, mind you..other players are just as egregious

If the NBA so chooses - they can 'revolutionize' the game by formally allowing such plays
that would at least level the playing field
right now the playing field is not level, not just on the carry\travel front but also on other aspects of the game, moving screens for instance

what I mean by that is that certain players whether it's because of their style of play or whether they're aware of it and trying to gain advantage by breaking these rules knowing they are rarely enforced, even if you get called for them once in a blue moon, you still gain the advantage all the other times when you aren't called

The NBA needs to choose, whether to crack down on it or legalize it. otherwise it's just a mockery really
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#43 » by danvato » Thu May 5, 2022 9:08 pm

xdrta+ wrote:People keep saying "everybody does it." Not everyone does it like Morant--he's easily the most blatant.


agreed, people are as usual talking about different things.

Morant example is an egregious carry that should be called 100% of the time, everybody does it does not apply here. Everyone doesn't do THAT, what Morant did in that clip, it's not palming, it's picking it up your dribble with your hand under the ball, taking 2 steps and on your 3rd step dribbling again.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#44 » by HiRez » Thu May 5, 2022 9:15 pm

KembaWalker wrote:obviously that gif is blatant

But not only didn't they see and call it in the moment, the mind boggling part is the 2 minute report where they go over every second with a fine-toothed comb (supposedly), with video support, and still didn't recognize it. I mean not calling it in the moment is unfortunate, but having the league review it and still say it was just fine is unacceptable.

* sorry, they did flag it in game 2, but he also did it at the end of game 1 and it did not show up in the report.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#45 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Thu May 5, 2022 9:30 pm

MrGoat wrote:This is nothing new. MJ may still have been the most frequent traveler I've ever seen though they pretty much never got called, though Giannis does give him a run for his money

MJ was ridiculous. He’d basically put the ball on his hip, skip, and put it back down again. In the 90s the refs let him get away with everything. He was bigger than the game.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#46 » by ForeverTFC » Thu May 5, 2022 9:42 pm

Unless you're 60+, I don't know why you would want to see a carry strictly enforced. Just because it was a rule doesn't mean it's correct or beneficial. I don't want to watch NBA players dibble back to the '50s.

With that said, whatever it was that Morant did in the clip posted on page 1, that should be called. Forget the carry, how is that not a travel?
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#47 » by DonaldSanders » Thu May 5, 2022 9:45 pm

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DonaldSanders wrote:I think we can all agree some cracking down on carrying and traveling would be nice. It's gotten a bit over the top at this point. It's obviously not just Ja, he's just who it is easier to notice it with.


I actually don't care about the palming violations and etc. The lax rules on dribbling violations has allowed an explosion of offensive creativity.

I don't wanna go back to the Bob Cousy days.



I don't know where/how to draw the line, but the above clip with Ja looks too much like someone playing football for my taste.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#48 » by C64 » Thu May 5, 2022 9:48 pm

When do you think they'll start calling him for it?


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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#49 » by babyjax13 » Thu May 5, 2022 9:52 pm

Yup, everyone does it and Ja is so fast I'm not surprised some more egregious examples are missed. I'd like to see a little more effort to regulate it, but in general I think the NBA is in a good place.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#50 » by alebaba » Thu May 5, 2022 9:55 pm

Every players does it, take a look at Kevin Durant when he does his signature crosover.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#51 » by CobraCommander » Thu May 5, 2022 9:55 pm

xdrta+ wrote:This was the only play from the last 2 minute report that was labelled "incorrect non-call." Blatant carry.

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I said everyone does it...then I watched this video and I was like...
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Ok so video is so egregious that someone should address this for real
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#52 » by CobraCommander » Thu May 5, 2022 9:57 pm

C64 wrote:When do you think they'll start calling him for it?


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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#53 » by magee » Thu May 5, 2022 9:57 pm

tsherkin wrote:I'd care but literally everyone in the league has been doing this for like 20+ years. Even Steph had a huge carry in the same game when he pulled that move splitting the defense.


Was gonna write the exact same thing.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#54 » by AussieCeltic » Thu May 5, 2022 9:59 pm

Yes everyone does it but some of these have gone too far. I mean morant takes 4 steps before he bounces the ball there and I’m a massive Ja fan.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#55 » by tsherkin » Thu May 5, 2022 9:59 pm

magee wrote:
tsherkin wrote:I'd care but literally everyone in the league has been doing this for like 20+ years. Even Steph had a huge carry in the same game when he pulled that move splitting the defense.


Was gonna write the exact same thing.


At some point, the game changes. And this one has been in place for a long time, let along a long time coming. Everyone seems to enjoy it, and I'll admit I have come to enjoy the creativity and variety it gives to the dribble game. Certainly more aesthetically engaging than the dribbling of the 60s, not that those guys had much of a choice in the matter.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#56 » by NZB2323 » Thu May 5, 2022 10:11 pm

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MrGoat wrote:This is nothing new. MJ may still have been the most frequent traveler I've ever seen though they pretty much never got called, though Giannis does give him a run for his money

MJ was ridiculous. He’d basically put the ball on his hip, skip, and put it back down again. In the 90s the refs let him get away with everything. He was bigger than the game.


That never happened. Sure Jordan got away with travels, but Patrick Ewing got away with travels going into the lane all the time(the first time he scores isn't a travel, but the 2nd time he takes 3 steps without dribbling, and the 3rd time he has a carry just as bad as Ja's):



And everyone likes to talk about Jordan's "push off" against Byron Scott, but it's nothing compared to what Reggie did to Jordan:

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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#57 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu May 5, 2022 10:16 pm

Every NBA player does. I'm fine with it. This increases basketball's popularity. Basketball fans like watching this.

but carry rules are a big reason for making things like the pick and roll so devestating. As the clip below shows you can now go to the 3 point line to the rim with 1 bounce. That makes defense essentially impossible.

xdrta+ wrote:This was the only play from the last 2 minute report that was labelled "incorrect non-call." Blatant carry.

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whatisacenter wrote:I never realized how much KD carried until he was a Warrior. Lamelo is pretty gratuitous as well.


If the NBA went to pre-AI carry rules:
1. 7 FT face up bigs would have to change their offensive style. It would just be way too easy to pick their pocket.
2. Guards would be able to adapt fairly well.
3. Covering the pick and roll becomes possible again.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#58 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu May 5, 2022 10:22 pm

Iverson was the only player the NBA made carrying an issue as he began to dominate. Just like the dress code. Iverson is retired and so are both of those supposed issues.
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#59 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu May 5, 2022 10:23 pm

Myth wrote:I believe strict carrying rules are also a major reason why super old basketball clips looks like a bunch of uncoordinated fools. There is way less control if you truly have to keep your hands on top of the ball.


To state the obvious it really isn't possible to penetrate the lane under old school carry rules the way current players do. The rapid shifts of directions require carrying
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Re: “Ja Morant carries the ball on almost every possession,” 

Post#60 » by sp6r=underrated » Thu May 5, 2022 10:28 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:Unless you're 60+, I don't know why you would want to see a carry strictly enforced. Just because it was a rule doesn't mean it's correct or beneficial. I don't want to watch NBA players dibble back to the '50s.

With that said, whatever it was that Morant did in the clip posted on page 1, that should be called. Forget the carry, how is that not a travel?


I don't think anyone is calling for going back to the 60s. Those of us who want more enforcement just want the rule enforced enough that you can go from the 3 point line to layup on one bounce.

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