Jaden Ivey

Post #81 » by **jman3134** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:34 pm

The-Power wrote:Here's more discussion on Ivey: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2141115

Can a mod merge threads?

Almost Retired · Post #82 » by **Almost Retired** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:49 am

Ivey was exposed tonight. When he has pressure on him his handles disappear and his decision making gets very shaky. And he's not that great a shooter. How many air balls did he put up tonight. He will still go 4-7 somewhere, by default...because this is a pretty weak draft. After Banchero and Jabari Smith.....trade the pick for a useful young veteran.

youOK · Post #83 » by **youOK** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:38 am

Almost Retired wrote:Ivey was exposed tonight. When he has pressure on him his handles disappear and his decision making gets very shaky. And he's not that great a shooter. How many air balls did he put up tonight. He will still go 4-7 somewhere, by default...because this is a pretty weak draft. After Banchero and Jabari Smith.....trade the pick for a useful young veteran.

He reminds me of Victor Oladipo who went 2 in a weak draft. If he can turn into peak Victor that's well worth an early pick. I think he has a lot of upside but a pretty low floor.

Post #84 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:51 am

Bad game in every way, he lost the game for Purdue. Turnovers, no FT, poor shooting. But it's just one game.

I think he has the potential to be a very good player but also has the lowest floor of the top 10. I'd be weary of taking him any earlier than pick 5. I think he still goes in the 5-7 range though.

Kobblehead · Post #85 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 12:27 pm

I just don't like Ivey. No defensive impact and his jumper ranges from awful to subpar.

These scorers that are ultra athletic but unskilled just aren't as covetable in the modern game as they once were.

Post #86 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:46 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Bad game in every way, he lost the game for Purdue. Turnovers, no FT, poor shooting. But it's just one game.

I think he has the potential to be a very good player but also has the lowest floor of the top 10. I'd be weary of taking him any earlier than pick 5. I think he still goes in the 5-7 range though.

He's just not a PG; hopefully he'll be a combo guard that plays with another combo guard.

Honestly, I think their backup center - Trevion Williams - is the best passer on Tulane.

Post #87 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:51 pm

The 2 Jaden Ivy threads have been merged.

CptCrunch · Post #88 » by **CptCrunch** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:13 am

Ivey needs to develop his passing, handles and vision in the NBA. Develops into an average player maker, that is a starter to a star.

Doesn't develop well or ends up being something like a Kevin Porter Jr playing PG, that is a pure bust. (Rockets fans don't hate me, KPJ is not a finished product but his time is running out before he gets ditched, he had this season to showcase mature PG play and it didn't work out)

An alternate outcome is combining his athletic talents with great shooting development into a combo shooting guard

SelfishPlayer · Post #89 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:20 am

He'll be alright at PG in the NBA, his handle and passing are about as good as Damian Lillard/Russell Westbrook as a prospect.

Madhouse · Post #90 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:18 pm

Looks like a tweener prospect with no clear identity. His athletic ability is elite but the rest is a work in progress.

Seems like he is pretty much a lock to go 4th but he has high bust potential.

clyde21 · Post #91 » by **clyde21** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:42 pm

K_chile22 · Post #92 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:51 am

CptCrunch wrote:Ivey needs to develop his passing, handles and vision in the NBA. Develops into an average player maker, that is a starter to a star.

Doesn't develop well or ends up being something like a Kevin Porter Jr playing PG, that is a pure bust. (Rockets fans don't hate me, KPJ is not a finished product but his time is running out before he gets ditched, he had this season to showcase mature PG play and it didn't work out)

An alternate outcome is combining his athletic talents with great shooting development into a combo shooting guard

As a Rockets fan that's exactly my worry with Ivey. I still think KPJ *can* be a good player, but he's certainly not a point guard and it's hard to see him transition his game to an off the ball role. Exact same worries with Ivey but just as a better prospect as a floor. If he doesn't develop into a PG I don't think he's a high end off the ball prospect. If he does become a true lead guard he's going to be great

BostonCouchGM · Post #93 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:32 am

K_chile22 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Ivey needs to develop his passing, handles and vision in the NBA. Develops into an average player maker, that is a starter to a star.

Doesn't develop well or ends up being something like a Kevin Porter Jr playing PG, that is a pure bust. (Rockets fans don't hate me, KPJ is not a finished product but his time is running out before he gets ditched, he had this season to showcase mature PG play and it didn't work out)

An alternate outcome is combining his athletic talents with great shooting development into a combo shooting guard
As a Rockets fan that's exactly my worry with Ivey. I still think KPJ *can* be a good player, but he's certainly not a point guard and it's hard to see him transition his game to an off the ball role. Exact same worries with Ivey but just as a better prospect as a floor. If he doesn't develop into a PG I don't think he's a high end off the ball prospect. If he does become a true lead guard he's going to be great

they're not similar if you really think about it. Ivey has elite burst and first step. Among the best in the NBA day 1. He's a much better shooter, has higher BBIQ and is a better defender. But most importantly, he's not a knucklehead like KPJ. Yes they're both seemingly combo/guards with similar size but that's where the comparisons end. Ivey might be in the mix for as high as #2 with Banchero the only guy I'm positive will go before him.

jezzerinho · Post #94 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:49 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Ivey needs to develop his passing, handles and vision in the NBA. Develops into an average player maker, that is a starter to a star.

Doesn't develop well or ends up being something like a Kevin Porter Jr playing PG, that is a pure bust. (Rockets fans don't hate me, KPJ is not a finished product but his time is running out before he gets ditched, he had this season to showcase mature PG play and it didn't work out)

An alternate outcome is combining his athletic talents with great shooting development into a combo shooting guard
As a Rockets fan that's exactly my worry with Ivey. I still think KPJ *can* be a good player, but he's certainly not a point guard and it's hard to see him transition his game to an off the ball role. Exact same worries with Ivey but just as a better prospect as a floor. If he doesn't develop into a PG I don't think he's a high end off the ball prospect. If he does become a true lead guard he's going to be great

they're not similar if you really think about it. Ivey has elite burst and first step. Among the best in the NBA day 1. He's a much better shooter, has higher BBIQ and is a better defender. But most importantly, he's not a knucklehead like KPJ. Yes they're both seemingly combo/guards with similar size but that's where the comparisons end. Ivey might be in the mix for as high as #2 with Banchero the only guy I'm positive will go before him.

RJ Hampton then. The issue is the same. Projecting guys to NBA point guard when they don't display the key PG skills at a good college level is a risky business. If you have to then play them off ball, they better at least have some size and 3&D capability.

SelfishPlayer · Post #95 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:53 am

jezzerinho wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:As a Rockets fan that's exactly my worry with Ivey. I still think KPJ *can* be a good player, but he's certainly not a point guard and it's hard to see him transition his game to an off the ball role. Exact same worries with Ivey but just as a better prospect as a floor. If he doesn't develop into a PG I don't think he's a high end off the ball prospect. If he does become a true lead guard he's going to be great

they're not similar if you really think about it. Ivey has elite burst and first step. Among the best in the NBA day 1. He's a much better shooter, has higher BBIQ and is a better defender. But most importantly, he's not a knucklehead like KPJ. Yes they're both seemingly combo/guards with similar size but that's where the comparisons end. Ivey might be in the mix for as high as #2 with Banchero the only guy I'm positive will go before him.

RJ Hampton then. The issue is the same. Projecting guys to NBA point guard when they don't display the key PG skills at a good college level is a risky business. If you have to then play them off ball, they better at least have some size and 3&D capability.

I think that the way Ivey was utilized in college was reassuring. He doesn't NEED the ball in order to produce He had point guard duties doing point guard things all throughout every game. That's in addition to scoring, running off screens without the ball in his hands. He is the opposite of Markelle Fultz who had an offense designed for him to look good in college where he rarely created space for himself out of isolation and probably never ran around a screen off ball. Ivey's speed is electrifying. It will really be highlighted on the next level.

K_chile22 · Post #96 » by **K_chile22** » Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:12 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
CptCrunch wrote:Ivey needs to develop his passing, handles and vision in the NBA. Develops into an average player maker, that is a starter to a star.

Doesn't develop well or ends up being something like a Kevin Porter Jr playing PG, that is a pure bust. (Rockets fans don't hate me, KPJ is not a finished product but his time is running out before he gets ditched, he had this season to showcase mature PG play and it didn't work out)

An alternate outcome is combining his athletic talents with great shooting development into a combo shooting guard
As a Rockets fan that's exactly my worry with Ivey. I still think KPJ *can* be a good player, but he's certainly not a point guard and it's hard to see him transition his game to an off the ball role. Exact same worries with Ivey but just as a better prospect as a floor. If he doesn't develop into a PG I don't think he's a high end off the ball prospect. If he does become a true lead guard he's going to be great

they're not similar if you really think about it. Ivey has elite burst and first step. Among the best in the NBA day 1. He's a much better shooter, has higher BBIQ and is a better defender. But most importantly, he's not a knucklehead like KPJ. Yes they're both seemingly combo/guards with similar size but that's where the comparisons end. Ivey might be in the mix for as high as #2 with Banchero the only guy I'm positive will go before him.

I didn't mean to say that their games are all that similar, just that I have similar high level concerns. Obviously the details of their games are very different

Catchall · Post #97 » by **Catchall** » Fri May 6, 2022 6:00 am

Physically and athletically, he's like John Wall. Great end-to-end speed. He's not quite as creative and crafty as Ja. He should develop into a top-tier PG.

MotownMadness · Post #98 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri May 6, 2022 3:34 pm

Catchall wrote:Physically and athletically, he's like John Wall. Great end-to-end speed. He's not quite as creative and crafty as Ja. He should develop into a top-tier PG.

I dont think hes gonna develop into a full time top tier PG. Maybe some sort of top tier combo guard.

SelfishPlayer · Post #99 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Fri May 6, 2022 6:33 pm

People shouldn't be afraid to project that he could become a better version of Russell Westbrook. Even a poor man's version of a future Hall of fame player is worth good value as a trade asset.

Nazrmohamed · Post #100 » by **Nazrmohamed** » Fri May 6, 2022 8:21 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:People shouldn't be afraid to project that he could become a better version of Russell Westbrook. Even a poor man's version of a future Hall of fame player is worth good value as a trade asset.

That's the closest comp I saw. Although Wall is also a good one. I do think Wall had better PG skills and was just as fast if not faster but I think Hardey will be able to explode at the rim similar to Westbrook.

Right now his PG skills are essentially penetrate and kick without the nuance of traditional passer but hey he's still so young. Got plenty of time to address weak esses