Grant Williams Thread

[Shak_Celts]

I agree with Nesmith needs to show up etc.. But I have always said Nesmith needs a real chance. Not the crap Ime has been giving him.

Just look at PP's numbers as a 3rd string, play sometimes, play NOT sometimes player vs being in the rotation every night at a somewhat steady rotation player. It's like a 20% increase in %.

Look what happened when Grant stopped trading minutes with Semi. (though Grant did come in much better shape this year)

*If Nesmith gets a Steady diet of playing time I expect his numbers to shoot up. If not, no problem, move on.

If only Ime had your bbiq.

I agree

After the ASB it seemed Ime set out to give him a chance, Pritch earned his mins with his play, Nee got hurt.

[playa-hater]

Not that this is too important but Carsen Edwards wasn't a great shooter in college either. His average was .368 which would be about average/slightly above in the pros. With his size he was going to need to be a 40% shooter to have a consistent job.

Nesmith deserves a little more time but he has to show up next year. He's not going to stay in the league at this rate. His shooting from college to pros concerns me in that it was a small sample size. He needs consistent minutes that aren't easy to get on a team like this, he's gotta earn it. We will see if he does next year. I want him to work out badly.

I agree with Nesmith needs to show up etc.. But I have always said Nesmith needs a real chance. Not the crap Ime has been giving him.

Just look at PP's numbers as a 3rd string, play sometimes, play NOT sometimes player vs being in the rotation every night at a somewhat steady rotation player. It's like a 20% increase in %.

Look what happened when Grant stopped trading minutes with Semi. (though Grant did come in much better shape this year)

*If Nesmith gets a Steady diet of playing time I expect his numbers to shoot up. If not, no problem, move on.

Only so many minutes to go around though. Grant taking minutes from Semi, no issue, there was a step up for the team and a logical path for Grant to get more minutes on merit. However, who do you see Nesmith taking minutes from? Injury absence excluded.

For, me it's simple I don't expect a 7 or 8 man rotation throughout the entire season so Nesmith could get minutes backing up the Js.

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I agree with Nesmith needs to show up etc.. But I have always said Nesmith needs a real chance. Not the crap Ime has been giving him.

Just look at PP's numbers as a 3rd string, play sometimes, play NOT sometimes player vs being in the rotation every night at a somewhat steady rotation player. It's like a 20% increase in %.

Look what happened when Grant stopped trading minutes with Semi. (though Grant did come in much better shape this year)

*If Nesmith gets a Steady diet of playing time I expect his numbers to shoot up. If not, no problem, move on.

Only so many minutes to go around though. Grant taking minutes from Semi, no issue, there was a step up for the team and a logical path for Grant to get more minutes on merit. However, who do you see Nesmith taking minutes from? Injury absence excluded.

For, me it's simple I don't expect a 7 or 8 man rotation throughout the entire season so Nesmith could get minutes backing up the Js.

Ime has only had the guys trusting each other for a few months -- part of a season.

I have no problem with his insistence on using trustworthy players.

I do want him to give one or more of Nesmith/Hauser/whoever a serious chance early next season.

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I know the emphasis has to be on an unmatched performance on D, but also seeing Grant hitting multiple shots from near the top of the arc and also the dribble penetration moves are maybe getting a little under-discussed. His range of skills on offense has been gradually expanding and he was showing it off in game 2.

[ConstableGeneva]

Here are the non-max rookie extensions signed the past season, per HoopsRumors:



JJJ and Bridges are definitely on the high end. Cs offer won't get close to that. Grant brings more value than either Shamet and Grayson even though he's been mostly a reserve like them so far. Timelord's deal is a steal barring any major injury. If Cs can get as low as that WCJ contract, even cap-adjusted, then it's a no-brainer for them to retain him long-term.

I do wonder if Grant just bets on himself and wait to become RFA. Some team is likely watching him now and going, "this guy can be a starter in this league and be part of our young core" then offer him a contract that reflects that. At this stage in their career, they're getting valued for projected future performance than what they've done so far. And what he's done/been so far is nothing to scoff at either -- high-level rotation player on a contender, great locker room guy, NBA ambassador for various offcourt issues, guardian of Gotham, etc.

[jordb2k7]

Here are the non-max rookie extensions signed the past season, per HoopsRumors:



JJJ and Bridges are definitely on the high end. Cs offer won't get close to that. Grant brings more value than either Shamet and Grayson even though he's been mostly a reserve like them so far. Timelord's deal is a steal barring any major injury. If Cs can get as low as that WCJ contract, even cap-adjusted, then it's a no-brainer for them to retain him long-term.

I do wonder if Grant just bets on himself and wait to become RFA. Some team is likely watching him now and going, "this guy can be a starter in this league and be part of our young core" then offer him a contract that reflects that. At this stage in their career, they're getting valued for projected future performance than what they've done so far. And what he's done/been so far is nothing to scoff at either -- high-level rotation player on a contender, great locker room guy, NBA ambassador for various offcourt issues, guardian of Gotham, etc.

That guardian of Gotham part was particularly good

[jordb2k7]

Here are the non-max rookie extensions signed the past season, per HoopsRumors:



JJJ and Bridges are definitely on the high end. Cs offer won't get close to that. Grant brings more value than either Shamet and Grayson even though he's been mostly a reserve like them so far. Timelord's deal is a steal barring any major injury. If Cs can get as low as that WCJ contract, even cap-adjusted, then it's a no-brainer for them to retain him long-term.

I do wonder if Grant just bets on himself and wait to become RFA. Some team is likely watching him now and going, "this guy can be a starter in this league and be part of our young core" then offer him a contract that reflects that. At this stage in their career, they're getting valued for projected future performance than what they've done so far. And what he's done/been so far is nothing to scoff at either -- high-level rotation player on a contender, great locker room guy, NBA ambassador for various offcourt issues, guardian of Gotham, etc.

That guardian of Gotham part was particularly good

[steefP2]

4/60. He earned it. Pay the man

[ddb]

Grant has been outstanding for this team. The sample size is large enough now to where he's officially a good player and not a flash in the pan. Lock him up this summer with an extension.

This guy is a high-level player. People been complaining for three years about Matheyse Thybulle. Give me a break. I take Williams any day of the week. He's a terrific role player, bench big an a versatile defender who doesn't make mistakes.

I have no idea why Carsen Edwards' shooting didn't translate. But, another iwn for Ainge. He missed on Nesmith and Langford. That's what hurts. But he hit on Grant and PP.

Not that this is too important but Carsen Edwards wasn't a great shooter in college either. His average was .368 which would be about average/slightly above in the pros. With his size he was going to need to be a 40% shooter to have a consistent job.

Nesmith deserves a little more time but he has to show up next year. He's not going to stay in the league at this rate. His shooting from college to pros concerns me in that it was a small sample size. He needs consistent minutes that aren't easy to get on a team like this, he's gotta earn it. We will see if he does next year. I want him to work out badly.

I agree. Not to mention that he's only earning rotation minutes next season if Boston does some sort of a 2 for 1 trade to upgrade a position. That or Boston moves Nesmith as a throw-in utilizing their TPE. Example being Nesmith/future 2nd to team X for Player Y, and player Y is a good veteran player making 15-16million.

And not for nothing, but Carsen Edwards is tiny...doesn't have great handle...he was THE GUY in college and was never going to be the guy in the NBA. He wasn't able to transition to being a microwave offense guy off the bench either. He struggled coming in cold. I said it awhile back and I'll say it again, he's a guy destined to have a successful career overseas. Nothing wrong with that. He can gain some incredible life experiences and earn a lot of dough abroad.

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Grant's a cheerful, analyical guy. If the Cs play hardball and offer him "only" $40 or $50 million, he's not likely to flip out emotionally. So a fair deal, whatever the right number is, seems likely to get done.

Full MLE with a player option might be an interesting focal point for the negotiation, because the chances are high Grant could that a year later from somebody.

[olhado]

Whatever they offer, I think they have to be careful not to be seen to be showing disrespect to RWill though.

[Fantaxp7]

[ConstableGeneva]

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[Larry_Russell]

This guy is a high-level player. People been complaining for three years about Matheyse Thybulle. Give me a break. I take Williams any day of the week. He's a terrific role player, bench big an a versatile defender who doesn't make mistakes.

I have no idea why Carsen Edwards' shooting didn't translate. But, another iwn for Ainge. He missed on Nesmith and Langford. That's what hurts. But he hit on Grant and PP.

Not that this is too important but Carsen Edwards wasn't a great shooter in college either. His average was .368 which would be about average/slightly above in the pros. With his size he was going to need to be a 40% shooter to have a consistent job.

Nesmith deserves a little more time but he has to show up next year. He's not going to stay in the league at this rate. His shooting from college to pros concerns me in that it was a small sample size. He needs consistent minutes that aren't easy to get on a team like this, he's gotta earn it. We will see if he does next year. I want him to work out badly.

I agree with Nesmith needs to show up etc.. But I have always said Nesmith needs a real chance. Not the crap Ime has been giving him.

Just look at PP's numbers as a 3rd string, play sometimes, play NOT sometimes player vs being in the rotation every night at a somewhat steady rotation player. It's like a 20% increase in %.

Look what happened when Grant stopped trading minutes with Semi. (though Grant did come in much better shape this year)

*If Nesmith gets a Steady diet of playing time I expect his numbers to shoot up. If not, no problem, move on.

Getting the body right is a huge step.

Grant went from a serviceable and cheap 5th big to a legit contributor by working on exactly what he needed to and getting his body right.

All signs indicate that Nesmith is heading down that same path.

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[Shak_Celts]

Here are the non-max rookie extensions signed the past season, per HoopsRumors:



JJJ and Bridges are definitely on the high end. Cs offer won't get close to that. Grant brings more value than either Shamet and Grayson even though he's been mostly a reserve like them so far. Timelord's deal is a steal barring any major injury. If Cs can get as low as that WCJ contract, even cap-adjusted, then it's a no-brainer for them to retain him long-term.

I do wonder if Grant just bets on himself and wait to become RFA. Some team is likely watching him now and going, "this guy can be a starter in this league and be part of our young core" then offer him a contract that reflects that. At this stage in their career, they're getting valued for projected future performance than what they've done so far. And what he's done/been so far is nothing to scoff at either -- high-level rotation player on a contender, great locker room guy, NBA ambassador for various offcourt issues, guardian of Gotham, etc.

Because of the Ime and Brad, they will pay to keep him, he embodies what they said they want in players. He's perfect for what everyone wants and isn't a finished product IMO!

[1st banana]

Grant made himself a lot of money this season. Beginning of the year he didn’t do summer league and I was a little surprised.

I was trashing him all last season how much slower he looked compared to his rookie year and all the eating and settlers of Catan jokes.

Then they talked about him getting leaner and how they initially wanted him to bulk up and play more five. Him getting leaner tho has made him a force defensively. He can still body up pretty much anyone while still having insane lateral athleticism.

[ConstableGeneva]

Another major reason to sign Grant long-term is to assure Tatum he won't be defended and shut down by Grant the rest of his career, other than in practices and scrimmages.

[sam_I_am]

Not that this is too important but Carsen Edwards wasn't a great shooter in college either. His average was .368 which would be about average/slightly above in the pros. With his size he was going to need to be a 40% shooter to have a consistent job.

Nesmith deserves a little more time but he has to show up next year. He's not going to stay in the league at this rate. His shooting from college to pros concerns me in that it was a small sample size. He needs consistent minutes that aren't easy to get on a team like this, he's gotta earn it. We will see if he does next year. I want him to work out badly.

I agree with Nesmith needs to show up etc.. But I have always said Nesmith needs a real chance. Not the crap Ime has been giving him.

Just look at PP's numbers as a 3rd string, play sometimes, play NOT sometimes player vs being in the rotation every night at a somewhat steady rotation player. It's like a 20% increase in %.

Look what happened when Grant stopped trading minutes with Semi. (though Grant did come in much better shape this year)

*If Nesmith gets a Steady diet of playing time I expect his numbers to shoot up. If not, no problem, move on.

Getting the body right is a huge step.

Grant went from a serviceable and cheap 5th big to a legit contributor by working on exactly what he needed to and getting his body right.

All signs indicate that Nesmith is heading down that same path.

I think Grant deserved credit for getting his body wrong too, because the team wanted him to be a 5 last year. He is a much better PJ Tucker than he is a Draymond.

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