Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (2-2)

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Who wins?

Suns in 4
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Suns in 5
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Suns in 6
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Suns in 7
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Re: Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (PHX 2-0) 

Post#21 » by MrGoat » Fri May 6, 2022 10:03 pm

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MrGoat wrote:If Luka's thigh isn't feeling better this will be a romp for Phoenix. Once they spotted that he wasn't moving right they went right after it and they'll do it again if his mobility looks hampered, they'll probably try it even if he looks fine just to try to wear him out. Hopefully Kidd's callouts of Brunson and Dinwiddie will get them to move the ball a little better. I don't see any answer for the center problem though, Phoenix is so deep with centers it didn't even matter that Ayton got into foul trouble because they have McGee and Biyombo too

His thigh looked fine when he dropped 24 pts in the first half of last game. I think Phoenix simply did a better job on him in the second half of last game and he also ran out of energy after having to do so much in the first half.


He was fine in the first half. There was a big dropoff in the second half where he was noticeably slower, didn't even finish the third quarter like he normally would. Maybe the half period was too long of a break and he needs to stay on a bike or something to keep it warmed up.
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Re: Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (PHX 2-0) 

Post#22 » by Gimli » Fri May 6, 2022 10:05 pm

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Gimli wrote:One more funny thing the Mavs could do, which shouldn't work anyway, is to give Brunson the ball and play Doncic PF. And just "freeze" Doncic from offense. And let Doncic do some off ball screens and some other **** etc.



You need to stop. Just stop.

Going to Boban isn't the answer.
Turning Luka into a 1990's PF isn't the answer.

Sometimes you have to just accept the other team is better and causes problems with no easy solutions. But this gimmick nonsense ain't it.


Fine, I'll stop.

On the one hand you're trying to say we don't have any discussion, on the other you're bringing people down when they're trying to come up with new ideas. And tell me, what new insights / ideas did you bring?

PS: you've said that Chriss can't play in this series. Just wait till they bench Powell.
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And guess what, Doncic's prototype is LeBron. LeBron did start to play PF and Center.

The idea of Doncic being the PF is that he can play only on deffense. Probably at least 30 points come from Doncic missing rotations. If he only works on not missing rotations, staying with his guy, that's already reduction of 30 points. If JB can carry some of the burden on offense, it's passable. But the only way that JB can carry the burden, is if Doncic is PF. JB and Doncic don't work together on offense.

Either the Mavs go **** defense, play only offense with LD + SD + Bullock + Bertans + Maxi, or they can go full defense with Doncic playing in the post, because him just standing still on the perimeter won't work, while JB has the ball. And Doncic being the PG on offense won't work on defense, because he will get exhausted, proven just about everytime.


But on the other hand, you would just rather roll the same lineup, but replace Josh with Frank. And hope for what, exactly? They got blown by 20 both times, and you think they can win 4 out of 5 without any major changes? Great logic. Just stop.

* Very few people suggest any new approaches, when they finally do it's "just stop." Guess what, Carlisle didn't want to play Boban anyway. Everyone knew it was ****. It was Voulgaris who insisted on Boban being in the lineup. And they almost could have won. Won 1 more game with him and were close to winning game 7.

** And I never said that Doncic needs to become 1990s PF. I wanted Doncic to use his magic brain to make loads of off ball screens for people not named JB, while JB has the ball. Create chaos for JB, allow the 3 point shooters to roam / move freely inside / through the 3point line, but keep Doncic in the low / midpost. And try to get him some post up play, like MJ got with the triangle offense. I never said I wanted him a 1990s PF, you're making this up. I don't even want him 2010+s PF. I want him there to confuse the Suns. Doncic with a ball is a huge threat, Doncic doing some crazy stuff with his screens is also a huge threat, because if Doncic gets the ball, it's once again a huge threat. And the Suns can't guard that, if even the Mavs don't know what the hell are they even playing.

*** And now say something back or ban me. Don't just say: "The Mavs can't play Chriss." If you want to have discussion, you actually have to have some opinion, aside from just "Boban isn't an answer, Doncic being PF isn't an answer, Chriss isn't an answer, the Mavs should just play the same lineup (but replace Josh with Frank), the Suns are just better." That's not an opinion, that's not discussion, that's just negating everything.

**** And I know that someone will ban, because I just "attacked" the moderator (who said "Just stop", while I've written a perfectly nice post, suggesting JB has the ball and Doncic plays PF). Instead of this moderator trying to come back at me, he'll just hide. And I'm pretty happy with ban, please do it, I'm spending way too much writing this stuff anyway. So please do. But like forever, not 1week etc. I would have deleted my account, but I couldn't found where can I do it. I'm gonna search for it again.
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Re: Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (PHX 2-0) 

Post#23 » by TinmanZBoy » Fri May 6, 2022 10:05 pm

To protect Luka’s thigh, just surrender Mavs
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Post#24 » by CobraCommander » Fri May 6, 2022 10:19 pm

If the market didn’t have me BROKE I would bet good money on the mavs getting this game. Line still one...so damn tempting...
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Re: Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (PHX 2-0) 

Post#25 » by Texas Chuck » Fri May 6, 2022 10:43 pm

Gimli wrote:[

On the one hand you're trying to say we don't have any discussion, on the other you're bringing people down when they're trying to come up with new ideas. And tell me, what new insights / ideas did you bring?

PS: you've said that Chriss can't play in this series. Just wait till they bench Powell.
Now you can ban me all you want, no one is willing to discuss here anything, including you. I'm done.
And guess what, Doncic's prototype is LeBron. LeBron did start to play PF and Center.

The idea of Doncic being the PF is that he can play only on deffense. Probably at least 30 points come from Doncic missing rotations. If he only works on not missing rotations, staying with his guy, that's already reduction of 30 points. If JB can carry some of the burden on offense, it's passable. But the only way that JB can carry the burden, is if Doncic is PF. JB and Doncic don't work together on offense.

Either the Mavs go **** defense, play only offense with LD + SD + Bullock + Bertans + Maxi, or they can go full defense with Doncic playing in the post, because him just standing still on the perimeter won't work, while JB has the ball. And Doncic being the PG on offense won't work on defense, because he will get exhausted, proven just about everytime.


But on the other hand, you would just rather roll the same lineup, but replace Josh with Frank. And hope for what, exactly? They got blown by 20 both times, and you think they can win 4 out of 5 without any major changes? Great logic. Just stop.

* Very few people suggest any new approaches, when they finally do it's "just stop." Guess what, Carlisle didn't want to play Boban anyway. Everyone knew it was ****. It was Voulgaris who insisted on Boban being in the lineup. And they almost could have won. Won 1 more game with him and were close to winning game 7.

** And I never said that Doncic needs to become 1990s PF. I wanted Doncic to use his magic brain to make loads of off ball screens for people not named JB, while JB has the ball. Create chaos for JB, allow the 3 point shooters to roam / move freely inside / through the 3point line, but keep Doncic in the low / midpost. And try to get him some post up play, like MJ got with the triangle offense. I never said I wanted him a 1990s PF, you're making this up. I don't even want him 2010+s PF. I want him there to confuse the Suns. Doncic with a ball is a huge threat, Doncic doing some crazy stuff with his screens is also a huge threat, because if Doncic gets the ball, it's once again a huge threat. And the Suns can't guard that, if even the Mavs don't know what the hell are they even playing.

*** And now say something back or ban me. Don't just say: "The Mavs can't play Chriss." If you want to have discussion, you actually have to have some opinion, aside from just "Boban isn't an answer, Doncic being PF isn't an answer, Chriss isn't an answer, the Mavs should just play the same lineup (but replace Josh with Frank), the Suns are just better." That's not an opinion, that's not discussion, that's just negating everything.

**** And I know that someone will ban, because I just "attacked" the moderator (who said "Just stop", while I've written a perfectly nice post, suggesting JB has the ball and Doncic plays PF). Instead of this moderator trying to come back at me, he'll just hide. And I'm pretty happy with ban, please do it, I'm spending way too much writing this stuff anyway. So please do. But like forever, not 1week etc. I would have deleted my account, but I couldn't found where can I do it. I'm gonna search for it again.


What are you on about mate. I'm not a Mod of this forum and I'm not remotely trying to ban you lol.

I'm just pointing out your ideas for Dallas aren't remotely within the realm of reality. Dallas isn't going to turn Luka into an off-ball screener or go to Boban

And for everyone who wants to play the victim like this. Nobody is trying to censor you or prevent you from "Free speech". But understand freedom to post stupid ideas does not mean freedom from people telling you said ideas are stupid. Sorry.

You seem to want to post a bunch of ridiculous stuff and want everyone to just tell you how brilliant you are. Sorry, these are bad ideas.


Edit: And to be clear I am not calling you stupid. I'm sure you are not. And I appreciate how much passion you clearly have for the little Mavs. But these ideas aren't it at all. Not every solution needs to be this radical. And you mock me for not having answers, but recognize the team themselves don't seem to have the answers so odd to think I would.

I think they have seized on the best approach--try and play 4 shooters around Luka as much as possible, scramble like hell defensively and hope the shooters make a bunch of shots and the Suns have an off night. But they have beaten Dallas a dozen times in a row. This is a bad matchup against a much better team. There is no magic lever to pull.
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Re: Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (PHX 2-0) 

Post#26 » by Gimli » Fri May 6, 2022 10:52 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Gimli wrote:[

On the one hand you're trying to say we don't have any discussion, on the other you're bringing people down when they're trying to come up with new ideas. And tell me, what new insights / ideas did you bring?

PS: you've said that Chriss can't play in this series. Just wait till they bench Powell.
Now you can ban me all you want, no one is willing to discuss here anything, including you. I'm done.
And guess what, Doncic's prototype is LeBron. LeBron did start to play PF and Center.

The idea of Doncic being the PF is that he can play only on deffense. Probably at least 30 points come from Doncic missing rotations. If he only works on not missing rotations, staying with his guy, that's already reduction of 30 points. If JB can carry some of the burden on offense, it's passable. But the only way that JB can carry the burden, is if Doncic is PF. JB and Doncic don't work together on offense.

Either the Mavs go **** defense, play only offense with LD + SD + Bullock + Bertans + Maxi, or they can go full defense with Doncic playing in the post, because him just standing still on the perimeter won't work, while JB has the ball. And Doncic being the PG on offense won't work on defense, because he will get exhausted, proven just about everytime.


But on the other hand, you would just rather roll the same lineup, but replace Josh with Frank. And hope for what, exactly? They got blown by 20 both times, and you think they can win 4 out of 5 without any major changes? Great logic. Just stop.

* Very few people suggest any new approaches, when they finally do it's "just stop." Guess what, Carlisle didn't want to play Boban anyway. Everyone knew it was ****. It was Voulgaris who insisted on Boban being in the lineup. And they almost could have won. Won 1 more game with him and were close to winning game 7.

** And I never said that Doncic needs to become 1990s PF. I wanted Doncic to use his magic brain to make loads of off ball screens for people not named JB, while JB has the ball. Create chaos for JB, allow the 3 point shooters to roam / move freely inside / through the 3point line, but keep Doncic in the low / midpost. And try to get him some post up play, like MJ got with the triangle offense. I never said I wanted him a 1990s PF, you're making this up. I don't even want him 2010+s PF. I want him there to confuse the Suns. Doncic with a ball is a huge threat, Doncic doing some crazy stuff with his screens is also a huge threat, because if Doncic gets the ball, it's once again a huge threat. And the Suns can't guard that, if even the Mavs don't know what the hell are they even playing.

*** And now say something back or ban me. Don't just say: "The Mavs can't play Chriss." If you want to have discussion, you actually have to have some opinion, aside from just "Boban isn't an answer, Doncic being PF isn't an answer, Chriss isn't an answer, the Mavs should just play the same lineup (but replace Josh with Frank), the Suns are just better." That's not an opinion, that's not discussion, that's just negating everything.

**** And I know that someone will ban, because I just "attacked" the moderator (who said "Just stop", while I've written a perfectly nice post, suggesting JB has the ball and Doncic plays PF). Instead of this moderator trying to come back at me, he'll just hide. And I'm pretty happy with ban, please do it, I'm spending way too much writing this stuff anyway. So please do. But like forever, not 1week etc. I would have deleted my account, but I couldn't found where can I do it. I'm gonna search for it again.


What are you on about mate. I'm not a Mod of this forum and I'm not remotely trying to ban you lol.

I'm just pointing out your ideas for Dallas aren't remotely within the realm of reality. Dallas isn't going to turn Luka into an off-ball screener or go to Boban

And for everyone who wants to play the victim like this. Nobody is trying to censor you or prevent you from "Free speech". But understand freedom to post stupid ideas does not mean freedom from people telling you said ideas are stupid. Sorry.

You seem to want to post a bunch of ridiculous stuff and want everyone to just tell you how brilliant you are. Sorry, these are bad ideas.



Since we're being honest, I'll also say that you're "playing the victim", saying "stop the Luka defense hating, let's have some real discussions instead." I've been reading this forum for some time, I've never seen you present any opinion, that's not already mainstream, so not worthy of discussion... Like "The Suns are great, it will be difficult for the Mavs." "Giannis is great, it will be difficult for the Celtics." I haven't seen you present any actual opinion, it's all just politics talk.

And since we're being honest and it's ok to say that ideas are stupid, you claiming, that the Mavs should do roughly the same what they did in Game 1 in Game 2 (while easily losing 20+), and hoping to win 4 out of 5, is the stupidest thing I ever read. And it just screams of satisfactions with the results and not of willingness to find any possible the Mavs can win the series. Sorry.

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Post#27 » by Archx » Fri May 6, 2022 10:59 pm

If entire Mavs team had the same passion and ideas as Gimli, they could have probably swept the Suns.
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Post#28 » by Revived » Fri May 6, 2022 11:16 pm

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I think this is caused mainly by Theo Pinson and Tim Hardaway Jr. Both are always wearing some ridiculous looking costumes (what happened to Stern’s rule of players wearing suits or professional attire to games) and yelling in front from the bench and both guys don’t play mins in any game. One from injury and the other cause he’s not good.

I like guys cheering on from the bench but it shouldn’t be while almost stepping on the court constantly especially by players who aren’t even eligible to play in any of the games.
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Post#29 » by MrGoat » Fri May 6, 2022 11:51 pm

Oh come on, no fun to reign in Pinson. He's the most fun part of the Mavs bench. That's literally why they brought him, he's a two way guy so they're not even allowed to play him but they bring him anyway because of the hype he brings to the bench.
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Post#30 » by Spud2nique » Sat May 7, 2022 12:29 am

Besides Cuban, whose gonna be featured on gone fishing for the Mavs? The guy wearing the offense tackle’s number.. aaaand who else?

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Post#31 » by Spud2nique » Sat May 7, 2022 1:34 am

C….. P…. Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ahem.. just practicing.
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Post#32 » by SunsLyf3 » Sat May 7, 2022 1:44 am

Expect Dallas to be more aggressive and physical. Should be a close game and Mavs might even get a win(perhaps early lead). Suns in 5 still.
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Post#33 » by Hsker4Life » Sat May 7, 2022 1:49 am

CobraCommander wrote:If the market didn’t have me BROKE I would bet good money on the mavs getting this game. Line still one...so damn tempting...

Teams returning home down 2-0 win at a pretty remarkable rate. Mavs will come out on fire. Can PHX weather the storm?
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Post#34 » by schnakenpopanz » Sat May 7, 2022 1:51 am

I expect a loss. Dallas will play with desperation, they pretty much know that this is maybe near over when it is 0-3
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Post#35 » by rocketsfan100 » Sat May 7, 2022 1:55 am

Suns offense is like a Machine
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Post#36 » by Sofia » Sat May 7, 2022 1:56 am

Luka just beat his man, had a layup, but was so focused on watching the defender behind him trying to draw a foul and missed the layup…
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Post#37 » by -Sammy- » Sat May 7, 2022 1:56 am

"Luka averaging 40 in this series."

That's nuts to hear. I don't think anyone expects Dallas to give PHX a fight in this series, but Luka's undeniable at this point.
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Post#38 » by rocketsfan100 » Sat May 7, 2022 1:57 am

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Post#39 » by sunsbum » Sat May 7, 2022 1:57 am

Mavs are going to wear themselves out trying to press CP. the only reason it worked for NO is because Avarado is quicker than Paul, Dallas doesn’t have that.
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Post#40 » by Sofia » Sat May 7, 2022 1:58 am

If waving your hand at a ref was still a tech, Luka would have 6 already this game and we’re 5 minutes in.
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