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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#181 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri May 6, 2022 2:23 pm

frica wrote:
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To be precise: of the 605 players who played at least 1 game this season, only 22 of them [3.64%] were 35+ years of age this year (and only 12 [1.98%] were 36+ years of age [the category Paul falls into]).

Of the 22 players 35+ years old, only fifteen of them managed to play 40 games and/or 700 total minutes this season.
Only about FIVE of them are still managing to play at what might be called a high(ish) level at this age: Lebron, CP3, Al Horford, Kyle Lowry, +/- LaMarcus Aldridge???

Only two are still playing at a legitimately elite or near-elite level: Lebron and Chris Paul.


My point is that CP3 is the best example of how longevity has increased in basketball and throughout sports in general. There are many players in their 30's now that aren't showing any signs of decline. Curry is 34, and he is still doint his thing. KD is 33 coming off of achilles injury, and he still carried his team throughout the season without showing a visible decline. Jimmy Butler is 32 and he is as good as ever. But to do what CP does at the age of 37 is something that nobody else has done in a long time. Maybe we will see it in the future, but right now, CP stands out.

You shouldn't use a few outliers to support your argument, outliers will always be outliers.
The data doesn't support what you're saying about "increased longevity"

Modern NBA is a young man's game.

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Also Curry is clearly declined.
KD... Dominique Wilkins also tore his achilles and came back very strong.

What CP3 is doing at 37 is pretty much unprecented, and looking at the data it's even more unprecedented relative to era.


Isn't the average age becoming younger due to there players joining the NBA at younger ages than in the 90s etc?
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#182 » by Homer38 » Fri May 6, 2022 2:31 pm

I hope he win his first ring this year!

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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#183 » by The High Cyde » Fri May 6, 2022 6:05 pm

Another one
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#184 » by falcolombardi » Fri May 6, 2022 6:39 pm

i started the year rooting for bucks and sixers but now i am all in on the point god bandwagon

he deserves this ring
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#185 » by frica » Fri May 6, 2022 6:44 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:
frica wrote:
Gooner wrote:
My point is that CP3 is the best example of how longevity has increased in basketball and throughout sports in general. There are many players in their 30's now that aren't showing any signs of decline. Curry is 34, and he is still doint his thing. KD is 33 coming off of achilles injury, and he still carried his team throughout the season without showing a visible decline. Jimmy Butler is 32 and he is as good as ever. But to do what CP does at the age of 37 is something that nobody else has done in a long time. Maybe we will see it in the future, but right now, CP stands out.

You shouldn't use a few outliers to support your argument, outliers will always be outliers.
The data doesn't support what you're saying about "increased longevity"

Modern NBA is a young man's game.

Image

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Also Curry is clearly declined.
KD... Dominique Wilkins also tore his achilles and came back very strong.

What CP3 is doing at 37 is pretty much unprecented, and looking at the data it's even more unprecedented relative to era.


Isn't the average age becoming younger due to there players joining the NBA at younger ages than in the 90s etc?

Only partially.
The 90s/early 2000s had more (in absolute and relative terms) players aged 35 and older than today, actually close to twice as many oldies. Despite there being almost 200 more players today.

The current perimeter meta is a lot harder on the body than it looks like.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#186 » by falcolombardi » Fri May 6, 2022 7:35 pm

frica wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:
frica wrote:You shouldn't use a few outliers to support your argument, outliers will always be outliers.
The data doesn't support what you're saying about "increased longevity"

Modern NBA is a young man's game.

Image

Image

Also Curry is clearly declined.
KD... Dominique Wilkins also tore his achilles and came back very strong.

What CP3 is doing at 37 is pretty much unprecented, and looking at the data it's even more unprecedented relative to era.


Isn't the average age becoming younger due to there players joining the NBA at younger ages than in the 90s etc?

Only partially.
The 90s/early 2000s had more (in absolute and relative terms) players aged 35 and older than today, actually close to twice as many oldies. Despite there being almost 200 more players today.

The current perimeter meta is a lot harder on the body than it looks like.


this is somethingh often missed when people criticize current players for playing less minutes than older greats

nba coaches didnt suddendly decide to play their stars less cause they were too soft to play more minutes or anythingh like that
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#187 » by coastalmarker99 » Sat May 7, 2022 5:27 am

Point God ended the game today with 9 points 4 assists and 7 turnovers.


While I do respect Cp3 and his talent,


I don't know how anyone can seriously be a CP3 fan.


All he does half the time is try to get bailed out by cheap whistles with that stupid rip through move he does.


That **** just needs to stop being called as a foul as that is not basketball.

As can you imagine trying that in a pickup game?


Also, he is such a dirty player.

Reggie Jackson is amazing and a killer in the clutch that's all.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#188 » by coastalmarker99 » Sat May 7, 2022 5:39 am

I don't blame CP3 for abusing the Rip through move.

but if you did it in any other basketball setting, they’d throw you out and you would get laughed at

That’s what it comes down to.


I hope the NBA outlaws the move altogether and if someone does it is an instant offensive foul.

As stuff like this is not basketball

https://streamable.com/f4m66l
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#189 » by HeartBreakKid » Sat May 7, 2022 6:47 am

Coastal, you literally only post in here when the Suns lose. You can't seriously think you have any legitimacy in a discussion.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#190 » by Jaivl » Sat May 7, 2022 7:03 am

Probably the worst game I've seen Paul play, ever.

And what a coincidence, it's his legacy game!
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#191 » by GSP » Sat May 7, 2022 7:32 am

Jaivl wrote:Probably the worst game I've seen Paul play, ever.

And what a coincidence, it's his legacy game!


Def not a legacy game IMO.........Im partial to the Hornets and Nuggets game 4......... Chauncey took him behind the shed



https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904270NOH.html

of course there are some great choices here.........he had alot of stinkers VS Spurs, Grizzlies and Warriors

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201205170SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201304250MEM.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504240SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405010GSW.html

Getting outplayed by George Hill in an elimination game 7 when he was in Utah was rough too
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#192 » by 70sFan » Sat May 7, 2022 9:38 am

GSP wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Probably the worst game I've seen Paul play, ever.

And what a coincidence, it's his legacy game!


Def not a legacy game IMO.........Im partial to the Hornets and Nuggets game 4......... Chauncey took him behind the shed



https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904270NOH.html

of course there are some great choices here.........he had alot of stinkers VS Spurs, Grizzlies and Warriors

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201205170SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201304250MEM.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504240SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405010GSW.html

Getting outplayed by George Hill in an elimination game 7 when he was in Utah was rough too

Did you just pick his worst postseason games to call it legacy games? Why didn't you include game 7 against the Spurs in 2015? I remember it quite well as a Spurs fan.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#193 » by GSP » Sat May 7, 2022 10:17 am

70sFan wrote:
GSP wrote:
Jaivl wrote:Probably the worst game I've seen Paul play, ever.

And what a coincidence, it's his legacy game!


Def not a legacy game IMO.........Im partial to the Hornets and Nuggets game 4......... Chauncey took him behind the shed



https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904270NOH.html

of course there are some great choices here.........he had alot of stinkers VS Spurs, Grizzlies and Warriors

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201205170SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201304250MEM.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201504240SAS.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405010GSW.html

Getting outplayed by George Hill in an elimination game 7 when he was in Utah was rough too

Did you just pick his worst postseason games to call it legacy games? Why didn't you include game 7 against the Spurs in 2015? I remember it quite well as a Spurs fan.


I didn't say any of those were legacy games...... Just candidates for the worst he's ever played in playoffs since Jaivl thought this Mavs game 3 might've been his worst
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#194 » by coastalmarker99 » Sat May 7, 2022 11:20 am

70's fan I do wonder if you remember what happened after that Spurs series ended.

Because I personally remember it very well



As CP3 and his team had one of the most stunning chokes in NBA history.

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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#195 » by 70sFan » Sat May 7, 2022 11:28 am

coastalmarker99 wrote:70's fan I do wonder if you remember what happened after that Spurs series ended.

Because I personally remember it very well



As CP3 and his team had one of the most stunning chokes in NBA history.


I remember it, I also remember that Paul missed 2 games in that series and I remember him not being a problem in the last 3 losses.

I hope you remember that your favorite player also lost 3 games in a row, while posting much worse stats in those three loses than Paul did.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#196 » by coastalmarker99 » Sat May 7, 2022 11:36 am

70sFan wrote:
coastalmarker99 wrote:70's fan I do wonder if you remember what happened after that Spurs series ended.

Because I personally remember it very well



As CP3 and his team had one of the most stunning chokes in NBA history.


I remember it, I also remember that Paul missed 2 games in that series and I remember him not being a problem in the last 3 losses.

I hope you remember that your favorite player also lost 3 games in a row, while posting much worse stats in those three loses than Paul did.



Wilt in that series was playing through a torn calf and he lost to the greatest dynasty in sports history that featured a legendary player in Russell.


He didn't lose to Josh smith out of all people.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#197 » by 70sFan » Sat May 7, 2022 11:44 am

coastalmarker99 wrote:
70sFan wrote:
coastalmarker99 wrote:70's fan I do wonder if you remember what happened after that Spurs series ended.

Because I personally remember it very well



As CP3 and his team had one of the most stunning chokes in NBA history.


I remember it, I also remember that Paul missed 2 games in that series and I remember him not being a problem in the last 3 losses.

I hope you remember that your favorite player also lost 3 games in a row, while posting much worse stats in those three loses than Paul did.



Wilt in that series was playing through a torn calf and he lost to the greatest dynasty in sports history that featured a legendary plater in Russell.


He didn't lose to Josh smith out of all people.

I know that Wilt was injured, but Paul wasn't healthy either. Comparing opponents should also take into consideration your own roster, as Wilt played with better team than Paul.

Paul didn't lose to Josh Smith, he lost against a team led by James Harden and Dwight Howard. If you don't want to mention top players, then I can say that Wilt lost to Larry Siegfried of all people.

You shouldn't use different criteria for different players, that's my only point here. You may dislike Paul, but you shouldn't nitpick all bad moments of his career when you evaluate him. You do the same thing this year, Paul has been playing remarkably well throughout the playoffs but you become much more vocal every time he has a bad game. Stop focusing on one side, try to be objective.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#198 » by ShotCreator » Sat May 7, 2022 11:49 am

Booker and Johnson’s defense have both fallen off big time in these playoffs.

Phoenix really needs to get back into the basics of good D. Close outs wild, help D timing off, Booker stopped contesting half the shots he “defends” randomly. Booker was legitimately good defensively last playoffs. Disappointing.
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#199 » by LukaTheGOAT » Sat May 7, 2022 3:51 pm

2013-17 LAC PS:

+5.65 rORTG in 1526 min CP3 on floor
52.04% from 2
34.27% from 3

-2.34 rORTG in 687 min CP3 off floor
49.82% from 2
31.18% from 3
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Re: Chris Paul 21-22 Thread 

Post#200 » by falcolombardi » Sat May 7, 2022 4:24 pm

LukaTheGOAT wrote:2013-17 LAC PS:

+5.65 rORTG in 1526 min CP3 on floor
52.04% from 2
34.27% from 3

-2.34 rORTG in 687 min CP3 off floor
49.82% from 2
31.18% from 3


and people look weird at me when i say chris paul is a top 10 offensive plauer ever or very damn close

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