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CobraCommander wrote:I don’t see the goat potential that a lot of you see…
Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:It's games like these that show Booker is a tier well below other young stars such as Tatum, Luka, Ja, etc. He's just not a superstar player that can lead a team as those guys can. After hitting those early 2 threes his presence was barely felt. Slandering Luka was perhaps justified, but even a bad Luka game is better than an average Booker game. The standards are way different.
I also just realized that no matter which team the Suns face if they were to move on, the best player will always be on the other team. Have we seen a team win in the last 20 years without having the best player since the second round? 03 Pistons?
Pretty obvious this poster didn't watch Ja against Minnesota whatsoever, or Tatum against the Nets in round 1 last year, or Tatum against the Bucks in Game 1.
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:
Pretty obvious this poster didn't watch Ja against Minnesota whatsoever, or Tatum against the Nets in round 1 last year, or Tatum against the Bucks in Game 1.
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
You stated a tier "well-below"...
Lets have a look at the stats:
Booker - 23PPG/4RPG/5APG on 48/50/87 Splits
Tatum - 28PPG/5RPG/7APG on 44/44/82 Splits
Morant - 26PPG/9RPG/10APG on 41/30/74 Splits
Booker is not the primary ball handler, Tatum and Morant have the ball much more and the stats reflect that.
Luka is in a tier of his own (offensively).
And you turned the discussion into an overall career discussion after I pointed out games in these playoffs. Its not like Booker played on great teams for 4 years of his career.
Tatum walked right into a situation for a team that made the ECF
Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
You stated a tier "well-below"...
Lets have a look at the stats:
Booker - 23PPG/4RPG/5APG on 48/50/87 Splits
Tatum - 28PPG/5RPG/7APG on 44/44/82 Splits
Morant - 26PPG/9RPG/10APG on 41/30/74 Splits
Booker is not the primary ball handler, Tatum and Morant have the ball much more and the stats reflect that.
Luka is in a tier of his own (offensively).
And you turned the discussion into an overall career discussion after I pointed out games in these playoffs. Its not like Booker played on great teams for 4 years of his career.
Tatum walked right into a situation for a team that made the ECF
I can't believe you're actually arguing Booker over any of these guys lol.
First of all, I pointed to playoff series as well, and not just overall career. All the guys I mentioned have clearly made a jump from the previous season. Secondly, how are those stats making the case for Booker? They're showing you he's a capable scorer on good efficiency. Not someone who's leading your team as the clear-cut guy. Those stats could be Middleton's or a good second fiddle. Booker was poopoo before CP3 arrived. Let's not pretend he's on the same tier as Ja or Tatum, let alone Luka.
I can't believe I have to defend Tatum as a Laker, but he held his ground against prime LeBron in 2018. Let's not pretend he was being carried as you're making it out to be.
sunsbum wrote:only desperate luka fans.pj0tr wrote:CobraCommander wrote:So people gonna admit now that this IS a series that the mavs can win
Ballerhogger wrote:Brunson shows up and they win.. interesting …
pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:
You stated a tier "well-below"...
Lets have a look at the stats:
Booker - 23PPG/4RPG/5APG on 48/50/87 Splits
Tatum - 28PPG/5RPG/7APG on 44/44/82 Splits
Morant - 26PPG/9RPG/10APG on 41/30/74 Splits
Booker is not the primary ball handler, Tatum and Morant have the ball much more and the stats reflect that.
Luka is in a tier of his own (offensively).
And you turned the discussion into an overall career discussion after I pointed out games in these playoffs. Its not like Booker played on great teams for 4 years of his career.
Tatum walked right into a situation for a team that made the ECF
I can't believe you're actually arguing Booker over any of these guys lol.
First of all, I pointed to playoff series as well, and not just overall career. All the guys I mentioned have clearly made a jump from the previous season. Secondly, how are those stats making the case for Booker? They're showing you he's a capable scorer on good efficiency. Not someone who's leading your team as the clear-cut guy. Those stats could be Middleton's or a good second fiddle. Booker was poopoo before CP3 arrived. Let's not pretend he's on the same tier as Ja or Tatum, let alone Luka.
I can't believe I have to defend Tatum as a Laker, but he held his ground against prime LeBron in 2018. Let's not pretend he was being carried as you're making it out to be.
You said clearly above. I'm saying Booker is on the same tier as Tatum and Morant (who by the way plays NO defense - Golden State for whatever reason is not going after him).
Luka is clearly above all 3 of them.
Booker played 3 games in the 1st round
You are a Lakers fan, and its pretty clear why you are in this thread.
Gimli wrote:I still believe the Mavs win the series, though I've lost hope after games 1 and 2. But now I'm a believer again. And Kidd did come up with a good plan, should have had faith in him.
Bob8 wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:Brunson shows up and they win.. interesting …
And Suns scored 30 points less.
It's really simple. Mavs are not winning high scoring games with this roster.
when you win a game in Phx you can say you’re in the drivers seat. Until then, you’re not.DroseReturnChi wrote:Gimli wrote:I still believe the Mavs win the series, though I've lost hope after games 1 and 2. But now I'm a believer again. And Kidd did come up with a good plan, should have had faith in him.
usually teams that g1 win. but winning back g3 was huge came back closer to 50% from a fat 0.
if mavs win g4, I would say they are in the drivers seat with all the momentum. g4 winner will decide series. add to fact that suns top 2 are injury prone thats a big x factor favored to dallas. Luka took Leonard g7 two times I think hes matured to beat a much weaker opponent with less help. one of booker and lukas legacy will be on the line here high stakes.
Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:It's games like these that show Booker is a tier well below other young stars such as Tatum, Luka, Ja, etc. He's just not a superstar player that can lead a team as those guys can. After hitting those early 2 threes his presence was barely felt. Slandering Luka was perhaps justified, but even a bad Luka game is better than an average Booker game. The standards are way different.
I also just realized that no matter which team the Suns face if they were to move on, the best player will always be on the other team. Have we seen a team win in the last 20 years without having the best player since the second round? 03 Pistons?
Pretty obvious this poster didn't watch Ja against Minnesota whatsoever, or Tatum against the Nets in round 1 last year, or Tatum against the Bucks in Game 1.
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
CobraCommander wrote:sunsbum wrote:only desperate luka fans.pj0tr wrote:
Yo...I was team Trae Young over Luka for all NBA this season because Trae had a better reg season....I’m definitely not a desperate Luka fan lol -
I’m just enjoying the games and calling it how I see it.
Money on mavs but my heart with Monty....win kinda win for me or lose lose lol
Suns fans have to realize ....nobody hates y’all lol
, Wagon seats are almost sold out. dygaction wrote:CobraCommander wrote:sunsbum wrote: only desperate luka fans.
Yo...I was team Trae Young over Luka for all NBA this season because Trae had a better reg season....I’m definitely not a desperate Luka fan lol -
I’m just enjoying the games and calling it how I see it.
Money on mavs but my heart with Monty....win kinda win for me or lose lose lol
Suns fans have to realize ....nobody hates y’all lol
Welcome to be a Luka fan
siFy wrote:Now Phoenix are the ones how have to adjust to the defense of Dallas well if Dallas do the things well like yesterday. We'll see how they do it, it has to be with the other players stepping up because they are going to have much more space like yesterday. Dallas doing shadow defense mostly or sometimes traps with the guy who is going to defend the pick and roll and another player defending the weak side and then doing the defensive rotation it was perfect pretty good executed for them. Or they changed if the pick and roll defenders were both good individual defenders. Luka didn't do to much on defense because the guy is clearly hurt only execute the defensive plan good and a lot of times he was helped for the weak side defender but only for his presence and have two guys on one they didn't let Paul and Booker be in the center of the midcourt where they operate all and create all the offense in the midrange.
The Suns offense had a hole in the center of the midcourt yesterday, Booker forced in a lot of two on ones situations because he didn't found his spot where he normally plays and operate same with Paul but with this one is more dificult because he reads the situations much better and understood the defense late in the 4th that he has to pass to the open guy fast when he was double teamed, it was too for a good individual defense on him Dallas take out the ball of his hands of both of them or they forced a lot of situations. It was a really good adjust by the Dallas coaches or by Luka too because the guy has seen all his life this defense trying to take out the ball of his hands.
pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:
Pretty obvious this poster didn't watch Ja against Minnesota whatsoever, or Tatum against the Nets in round 1 last year, or Tatum against the Bucks in Game 1.
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
Tatum just went 4/19 in Milwaukee. I guess Booker is the only one allowed to have bad games (And Booker last night was nowhere near as bad as Tatum was today).
, but even then, look at how everyone is talking about how bad Tatum was because expectations are higher. Booker had 18 points, made no impact whatsoever and no one even mentioned it, just because we know his ceiling is lower. 
pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:pj0tr wrote:
Pretty obvious this poster didn't watch Ja against Minnesota whatsoever, or Tatum against the Nets in round 1 last year, or Tatum against the Bucks in Game 1.
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
You stated a tier "well-below"...
Lets have a look at the stats:
Booker - 23PPG/4RPG/5APG on 48/50/87 Splits
Tatum - 28PPG/5RPG/7APG on 44/44/82 Splits
Morant - 26PPG/9RPG/10APG on 41/30/74 Splits
Booker is not the primary ball handler, Tatum and Morant have the ball much more and the stats reflect that.
Luka is in a tier of his own (offensively).
And you turned the discussion into an overall career discussion after I pointed out games in these playoffs. Its not like Booker played on great teams for 4 years of his career.
Tatum walked right into a situation for a team that made the ECF
SunsLyf3 wrote:pj0tr wrote:Freighttrain wrote:
You do realize all of them are younger and have achieved more individually than Booker. Ja is having a better series now against the Warriors than any series Booker ever had. Luka toyed with the Clippers facing Kawhi & PG13 and is just flat out the best player in this series, and Tatum was dominant against KD whilst being the number one offensive go-to guy. What has Booker done?
You stated a tier "well-below"...
Lets have a look at the stats:
Booker - 23PPG/4RPG/5APG on 48/50/87 Splits
Tatum - 28PPG/5RPG/7APG on 44/44/82 Splits
Morant - 26PPG/9RPG/10APG on 41/30/74 Splits
Booker is not the primary ball handler, Tatum and Morant have the ball much more and the stats reflect that.
Luka is in a tier of his own (offensively).
And you turned the discussion into an overall career discussion after I pointed out games in these playoffs. Its not like Booker played on great teams for 4 years of his career.
Tatum walked right into a situation for a team that made the ECF
People here aren't ready to talk about usage, touchers per game, efficiency, coaching staff or supporting cast. It bursts their bubble and doesn't fit their narrative.