2021-2022 Post-Mortem: Jonathan Isaac

[cedric76]

A very sad, lost young man.

Draft a big and move on. We don’t need or want that around what we are trying to build here.

Best of luck to him elsewhere.

Sad and lost?

Lol

I d say otherwise, very clued up

[MagicFan101]

A very sad, lost young man.

Draft a big and move on. We don’t need or want that around what we are trying to build here.

Best of luck to him elsewhere.

Sad and lost?

Lol

I d say otherwise, very clued up

lol, per Cedric. My point exactly.

[Knightro]

Jesus. This Isaac situation sure has turned into a situation. Not sure we’ll ever see him play again.

Don’t know what to make of any of it. Figured the FO was holding him out for health and seeding, but that’s a lot of cheese for him to leave on the table. Maybe the FO made a deal with him to further guarantee some money.

I really thought he was going to be great. The gut punch of the injuries and everything else just hanging around. He was so good to start 19-20.

As I understand it, Isaac's getting every last cent of the money he signed for whether he plays again or not.

That salary protection is for the Magic's salary cap only I believe. Could be wrong though, someone double check.

[cedric76]

A very sad, lost young man.

Draft a big and move on. We don’t need or want that around what we are trying to build here.

Best of luck to him elsewhere.

Sad and lost?

Lol

I d say otherwise, very clued up

lol, per Cedric. My point exactly.

So you have no argument?

What make you say that he is lost and sad?


JI is a good kid, he has good manners and has shown by his stance on Covid vaccines and Black lives matter that he is very clever and not easily brainwashed, this is the type of people that you want as your franchise player.

[Xatticus]

Jesus. This Isaac situation sure has turned into a situation. Not sure we’ll ever see him play again.

Don’t know what to make of any of it. Figured the FO was holding him out for health and seeding, but that’s a lot of cheese for him to leave on the table. Maybe the FO made a deal with him to further guarantee some money.

I really thought he was going to be great. The gut punch of the injuries and everything else just hanging around. He was so good to start 19-20.

As I understand it, Isaac's getting every last cent of the money he signed for whether he plays again or not.

That salary protection is for the Magic's salary cap only I believe. Could be wrong though, someone double check.

I don’t see how that would be the case. It’s not incentivized, which would be calculated at the beginning of each year. It’s not insurance, which would alleviate some of the financial risk, but it wouldn’t free cap space unless the NBA considered his career over. It seems to me that a portion of his guaranteed salary becomes non-guaranteed, which really only benefits us if we actually release him. There would be no point in doing so until after this season, because the salary for next year is almost fully guaranteed.

[tiderulz]

Jesus. This Isaac situation sure has turned into a situation. Not sure we’ll ever see him play again.

Don’t know what to make of any of it. Figured the FO was holding him out for health and seeding, but that’s a lot of cheese for him to leave on the table. Maybe the FO made a deal with him to further guarantee some money.

I really thought he was going to be great. The gut punch of the injuries and everything else just hanging around. He was so good to start 19-20.

As I understand it, Isaac's getting every last cent of the money he signed for whether he plays again or not.

That salary protection is for the Magic's salary cap only I believe. Could be wrong though, someone double check.

I don’t see how that would be the case. It’s not incentivized, which would be calculated at the beginning of each year. It’s not insurance, which would alleviate some of the financial risk, but it wouldn’t free cap space unless the NBA considered his career over. It seems to me that a portion of his guaranteed salary becomes non-guaranteed, which really only benefits us if we actually release him. There would be no point in doing so until after this season, because the salary for next year is almost fully guaranteed.

yeah, if you look it up, Memphis did the same contract exhibit 3 with Jaren JAckson, and it turns the money from fully guaranteed to non-guaranteed. So Isaac would not get all his contract money.

[bigdogdylan5]

Every time I hear about Isaac’s contract everyone talks like it was a complete bust but they covered themselves with injury protection. We will see what happens this year he has to show something.

havent completely covered themselves. paid full price this past year. likely pay the full price next year too

Argument comes back to what were we going to use the money for? I would rather pay Isaac then two overpaid contracts like aminu type. We’re a terrible team until our youn guys prove they can get to like 500 by themselves before anyone will want to come in FA

[bigdogdylan5]

You know the worst part about all this Isaac BS is I can’t tell what’s real opinions on him anymore I feel like it always comes back to his beliefs. Politics is so damn toxic. Who the hell cares about his beliefs why do we care what his vaccine stance is?? It goes both ways why do I care what Disney says about politics either.

[Knightro]

I don’t see how that would be the case. It’s not incentivized, which would be calculated at the beginning of each year. It’s not insurance, which would alleviate some of the financial risk, but it wouldn’t free cap space unless the NBA considered his career over. It seems to me that a portion of his guaranteed salary becomes non-guaranteed, which really only benefits us if we actually release him. There would be no point in doing so until after this season, because the salary for next year is almost fully guaranteed.

If this is the case, I'm low key (high key?) surprised Isaac's agent agreed to it. 4/70 turning into 2/42 in one swoop?

[tiderulz]

You know the worst part about all this Isaac BS is I can’t tell what’s real opinions on him anymore I feel like it always comes back to his beliefs. Politics is so damn toxic. Who the hell cares about his beliefs why do we care what his vaccine stance is?? It goes both ways why do I care what Disney says about politics either.

real facts are, he hasnt played in 2 years. that long a layoff and recovery is not normal and portends to lingering or continuing issues. obviously, we are not seeing the health reports that the front office is, but if he is not going to get back to normal then hard decisions will have to be made

[Skybox]

Lots of guys have missed significant time and come back (lots haven't I know). ORL also had plenty of reasons to let him sit this year out. That contract is another fiscally prudent move from Weltman...love him or hate him, his descending deals and injury clauses are consistently favorable. I'm not saying that Isaac isn't a cause for concern - but he is worth betting on, particularly at this juncture of our team's trajectory. Same with Fultz. The risk/reward ratios are too good to bail (yet).

[bigdogdylan5]

You know the worst part about all this Isaac BS is I can’t tell what’s real opinions on him anymore I feel like it always comes back to his beliefs. Politics is so damn toxic. Who the hell cares about his beliefs why do we care what his vaccine stance is?? It goes both ways why do I care what Disney says about politics either.

real facts are, he hasnt played in 2 years. that long a layoff and recovery is not normal and portends to lingering or continuing issues. obviously, we are not seeing the health reports that the front office is, but if he is not going to get back to normal then hard decisions will have to be made

Absolutely real concerns and not what I was thinking of. I just give the front office a pass because I don’t feel like detailed info on players medical should be released public knowledge. Yes they are athletes and they get paid a lot to deal with it but still they should be allowed to recover at their own speed

[bigdogdylan5]

Lots of guys have missed significant time and come back (lots haven't I know). ORL also had plenty of reasons to let him sit this year out. That contract is another fiscally prudent move from Weltman...love him or hate him, his descending deals and injury clauses are consistently favorable. I'm not saying that Isaac isn't a cause for concern - but he is worth betting on, particularly at this juncture of our team's trajectory. Same with Fultz. The risk/reward ratios are too good to bail (yet).

Totally agree and unfortunately this is probably the best investment of our cap room on these “lotto tickets” until our team and young guys get better. That is my point to why Isaac doesn’t bother me.

[tiderulz]

You know the worst part about all this Isaac BS is I can’t tell what’s real opinions on him anymore I feel like it always comes back to his beliefs. Politics is so damn toxic. Who the hell cares about his beliefs why do we care what his vaccine stance is?? It goes both ways why do I care what Disney says about politics either.

real facts are, he hasnt played in 2 years. that long a layoff and recovery is not normal and portends to lingering or continuing issues. obviously, we are not seeing the health reports that the front office is, but if he is not going to get back to normal then hard decisions will have to be made

Absolutely real concerns and not what I was thinking of. I just give the front office a pass because I don’t feel like detailed info on players medical should be released public knowledge. Yes they are athletes and they get paid a lot to deal with it but still they should be allowed to recover at their own speed

I agree that detailed info on medical issues shouldnt be public knowledge. but its decisions they need to make

[The Effect]

You know the worst part about all this Isaac BS is I can’t tell what’s real opinions on him anymore I feel like it always comes back to his beliefs. Politics is so damn toxic. Who the hell cares about his beliefs why do we care what his vaccine stance is?? It goes both ways why do I care what Disney says about politics either.

No,some of us think hes too one dimensional to a core piece, too fragile to be counted on as anything more than backup, and to expensive to keep around to not play

Even if you keep him, theres ZERO chance you can count on him to stay healthy for even 41 games, let alone to be an integral part of the team, and considering as of right now hes the highest paid player signed for next year, theres no real reason to keep him around

Youre basically keeping him and PRAYING that
1 - He stays healthy
2 - Injuries havent stripped him on this athletic ability like they do to most guys who have multiple leg\foot injuries
3 - Hes improved as a player somehow after missing 2 seasons

I have 0 faith in any of those 3, let alone all 3