Other Playoff Series

[bwgood77]

That shooting percentage is not sustainable and that series could still go seven games.

They don’t have to shoot that good to beat us. We are having trouble with the Pels and Mavs, GSW would sweep both of those teams in 3 games. They wouldn’t even show up for the 4th. Just unbelievably frustrating to think this seemed to be our year and the possible ride off into the sunset for CP3 and now between GSW and Giannis there is almost 0 hope.

Go root for the Warriors then.

To state who would win based on playoff play to date doesn't mean a guy is a Suns fan. This isn't anying like your GB posts even if those are meant to be anti jinx/sarcastic.

But the truth is, our level of play has not been nearly as good as the Warriors, Grizzlies, Boston and Milwaukee. We are lucky two of those teams will get knocked out due to match ups.

We have had some great quarters here and there and Book was obviously out for 2 1/2 games, and Jae and others had a bad shooting 1st series, and some others bad shooting games in round 2, and Payne can't play much worse on offense, so we have many things we can get better at (turnovers, rebounding, etc), so maybe we get better, but our play hasn't looked nearly as good overall as in the regular season.

[pj0tr]

They don’t have to shoot that good to beat us. We are having trouble with the Pels and Mavs, GSW would sweep both of those teams in 3 games. They wouldn’t even show up for the 4th. Just unbelievably frustrating to think this seemed to be our year and the possible ride off into the sunset for CP3 and now between GSW and Giannis there is almost 0 hope.

Go root for the Warriors then.

To state who would win based on playoff play to date doesn't mean a guy is a Suns fan. This isn't anying like your GB posts even if those are meant to be anti jinx/sarcastic.

But the truth is, our level of play has not been nearly as good as the Warriors, Grizzlies, Boston and Milwaukee. We are lucky two of those teams will get knocked out due to match ups.

We have had some great quarters here and there and Book was obviously out for 2 1/2 games, and Jae and others had a bad shooting 1st series, and some others bad shooting games in round 2, and Payne can't play much worse on offense, so we have many things we can get better at (turnovers, rebounding, etc), so maybe we get better, but our play hasn't looked nearly as good overall as in the regular season.

Okay lets get serious - really think about this...

Have the Warriors been much more impressive? Have they? Have the Grizzlies? Has BOSTON??? Has Milwaukee???

The Warriors got to play arguably the WORST playoff team in the first round in the West, possibly the worst playoff team overall, aside from Atlanta who was just devastated by injuries.

The Grizzlies should've lost to Minnesota if we're being real here. Minnesota blew that freaking series, and everyone's acting like Memphis is this amazing team.

Boston got to play a team that plays absolutely no freaking defense, and they arguably should've lost the first 2 games against Brooklyn despite that.

Milwaukee played against a team that they've absolutely owned all year, and against a team who lost guys to due COVID and injury.

I get it... The Suns haven't played as well as they can overall... But people are literally taking this thing way too far - the playoffs are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY.

And I get upset with that particular poster because almost everyone of his posts on the Suns board are negative.

[bwgood77]

Go root for the Warriors then.

To state who would win based on playoff play to date doesn't mean a guy is a Suns fan. This isn't anying like your GB posts even if those are meant to be anti jinx/sarcastic.

But the truth is, our level of play has not been nearly as good as the Warriors, Grizzlies, Boston and Milwaukee. We are lucky two of those teams will get knocked out due to match ups.

We have had some great quarters here and there and Book was obviously out for 2 1/2 games, and Jae and others had a bad shooting 1st series, and some others bad shooting games in round 2, and Payne can't play much worse on offense, so we have many things we can get better at (turnovers, rebounding, etc), so maybe we get better, but our play hasn't looked nearly as good overall as in the regular season.

Okay lets get serious - really think about this...

Have the Warriors been much more impressive? Have they? Have the Grizzlies? Has BOSTON??? Has Milwaukee???

The Warriors got to play arguably the WORST playoff team in the first round in the West, possibly the worst playoff team overall, aside from Atlanta who was just devastated by injuries.

The Grizzlies should've lost to Minnesota if we're being real here. Minnesota blew that freaking series, and everyone's acting like Memphis is this amazing team.

Boston got to play a team that plays absolutely no freaking defense, and they arguably should've lost the first 2 games against Brooklyn despite that.

Milwaukee played against a team that they've absolutely owned all year, and against a team who lost guys to due COVID and injury.

I get it... The Suns haven't played as well as they can overall... But people are literally taking this thing way too far - the playoffs are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY.

And I get upset with that particular poster because almost everyone of his posts on the Suns board are negative.

Possibly, but they were the 6th best team in the regular season. We got the 10th best team in the regular season. I think the Warriors sweep the Pelicans because they wouldn't have allowed the boards and the Pelicans could not shoot from 3. We were just playing awful.

They probably take Minny out in 5 at the most. Lets face it, when GS had Curry and Green they were better than us. Better record to start season, beat us, etc.

Can we beat them or any of those teams. Yes. Are we the favorite to win it all? Yes, better chance than and other team (though not a better chance than the field) in part due to our opponent and the next 4 best teams are playing each other, so they still have 3 tough series to get through where we likely have 2.

[starbosa10]

Look at the media reactions of the Poole/draymond incidents to Brooks/Anderson stuff and its clear as day they want the Warriors in the final. All about money for the leagues and networks. No integrity

[bwgood77]

Not watching the Heat/Sixers game, but looking at the box score it looks a little similar. Butler with big offense for the Heat but that's it. Bam with 12 and 3, Lowry is 3-10, Herro 4-11. Also they have less than half of the 3s of the Sixers....both teams lower though with 6 and 13.

[TeamTragic]

Not watching the Heat/Sixers game, but looking at the box score it looks a little similar. Butler with big offense for the Heat but that's it. Bam with 12 and 3, Lowry is 3-10, Herro 4-11. Also they have less than half of the 3s of the Sixers....both teams lower though with 6 and 13.

The Heat have to face a pissed off MVP-level Embiid.

Dude will carry his team into the Finals.

[Frank Lee]

Harden pulling his load tonight too
3 3s late
Chubby James balling after the media doubts

[TeamTragic]

NBA got what they wanted today. Enough said.

[TeamTragic]

Lowry reinjured his hamstring. WOW

[PittsburghSuns]

Go root for the Warriors then.

To state who would win based on playoff play to date doesn't mean a guy is a Suns fan. This isn't anying like your GB posts even if those are meant to be anti jinx/sarcastic.

But the truth is, our level of play has not been nearly as good as the Warriors, Grizzlies, Boston and Milwaukee. We are lucky two of those teams will get knocked out due to match ups.

We have had some great quarters here and there and Book was obviously out for 2 1/2 games, and Jae and others had a bad shooting 1st series, and some others bad shooting games in round 2, and Payne can't play much worse on offense, so we have many things we can get better at (turnovers, rebounding, etc), so maybe we get better, but our play hasn't looked nearly as good overall as in the regular season.

Okay lets get serious - really think about this...

Have the Warriors been much more impressive? Have they? Have the Grizzlies? Has BOSTON??? Has Milwaukee???

The Warriors got to play arguably the WORST playoff team in the first round in the West, possibly the worst playoff team overall, aside from Atlanta who was just devastated by injuries.

The Grizzlies should've lost to Minnesota if we're being real here. Minnesota blew that freaking series, and everyone's acting like Memphis is this amazing team.

Boston got to play a team that plays absolutely no freaking defense, and they arguably should've lost the first 2 games against Brooklyn despite that.

Milwaukee played against a team that they've absolutely owned all year, and against a team who lost guys to due COVID and injury.

I get it... The Suns haven't played as well as they can overall... But people are literally taking this thing way too far - the playoffs are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY.

And I get upset with that particular poster because almost everyone of his posts on the Suns board are negative.

Cry me a River. If you can’t see the Suns are cooked I don’t know what to tell you? I guess when they are eliminated in a few days you will think differently

Of course I’m negative this team was unbelievably great in the regular season for 77 games but finished the year downward and have continued that garbage play in the playoffs. Do you not watch or understand how sports work?

[TeamTragic]

To state who would win based on playoff play to date doesn't mean a guy is a Suns fan. This isn't anying like your GB posts even if those are meant to be anti jinx/sarcastic.

But the truth is, our level of play has not been nearly as good as the Warriors, Grizzlies, Boston and Milwaukee. We are lucky two of those teams will get knocked out due to match ups.

We have had some great quarters here and there and Book was obviously out for 2 1/2 games, and Jae and others had a bad shooting 1st series, and some others bad shooting games in round 2, and Payne can't play much worse on offense, so we have many things we can get better at (turnovers, rebounding, etc), so maybe we get better, but our play hasn't looked nearly as good overall as in the regular season.

Okay lets get serious - really think about this...

Have the Warriors been much more impressive? Have they? Have the Grizzlies? Has BOSTON??? Has Milwaukee???

The Warriors got to play arguably the WORST playoff team in the first round in the West, possibly the worst playoff team overall, aside from Atlanta who was just devastated by injuries.

The Grizzlies should've lost to Minnesota if we're being real here. Minnesota blew that freaking series, and everyone's acting like Memphis is this amazing team.

Boston got to play a team that plays absolutely no freaking defense, and they arguably should've lost the first 2 games against Brooklyn despite that.

Milwaukee played against a team that they've absolutely owned all year, and against a team who lost guys to due COVID and injury.

I get it... The Suns haven't played as well as they can overall... But people are literally taking this thing way too far - the playoffs are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EASY.

And I get upset with that particular poster because almost everyone of his posts on the Suns board are negative.

Cry me a River. If you can’t see the Suns are cooked I don’t know what to tell you? I guess when they are eliminated in a few days you will think differently

We are all upset as well but come on dude.

[wheezy]

I'm really interested to see people takes about what poole did.

Hard to know what to think. Was he trying to injure him? I can't really figure out why he'd just grab his knee. To me that obviously looked intentional. It certainly doesn't look like he tried to get the ball and accidentally grabbed the knee. I think he should probably get suspended for a game if for no other reason to show you can't do something like that and to be extra careful.

Of course if it happened to Book most here would have a harsh opinion on the opposing defender but if Book or Paul did that to Doncic people would say it obviously wasn't intentional. Just like the Grizzlies viewpoint vs the Warriors.

Poole was also pushing Ja's hip with his left hand when he was grabbing the knee with the right hand. Didn't really look like a play on the ball given how far away he was from it.

[BobbieL]

I'm really interested to see people takes about what poole did.

Hard to know what to think. Was he trying to injure him? I can't really figure out why he'd just grab his knee. To me that obviously looked intentional. It certainly doesn't look like he tried to get the ball and accidentally grabbed the knee. I think he should probably get suspended for a game if for no other reason to show you can't do something like that and to be extra careful.

Of course if it happened to Book most here would have a harsh opinion on the opposing defender but if Book or Paul did that to Doncic people would say it obviously wasn't intentional. Just like the Grizzlies viewpoint vs the Warriors.

Poole was also pushing Ja's hip with his left hand when he was grabbing the knee with the right hand. Didn't really look like a play on the ball given how far away he was from it.

Barkley was right -- they are reviewing too much stuff
I am not sure Poole did anything malicious
I don't think Brooks did either - but he DID deserve a F2 foul. Kerr over-reacted - but whats knew with that dude. He is so full of himself these days. He never should have been hired as Olyumpics coach

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On the Poole knee grab. I guess it's possible he thought he was grabbing ball but I have my doubts. Really weird play.

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[BobbieL]

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On the Poole knee grab. I guess it's possible he thought he was grabbing ball but I have my doubts. Really weird play.

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And as much as the refs in Game 4 of Suns v Mavs was not great - the fact that Monty has adapted his defense - and it was this way in G1 - that certain players were going to stand behind the arc and take shots - thats the Suns problem. And if Monty told the players to not cheat or sag - he needed players that would listen. The Mavs are going to shoot 3's - if Bertans or Kleber or FinneySmith want to put the ball on the floor - let em.

[lilfishi22]

Hard to know what to think. Was he trying to injure him? I can't really figure out why he'd just grab his knee. To me that obviously looked intentional. It certainly doesn't look like he tried to get the ball and accidentally grabbed the knee. I think he should probably get suspended for a game if for no other reason to show you can't do something like that and to be extra careful.

Of course if it happened to Book most here would have a harsh opinion on the opposing defender but if Book or Paul did that to Doncic people would say it obviously wasn't intentional. Just like the Grizzlies viewpoint vs the Warriors.

Poole was also pushing Ja's hip with his left hand when he was grabbing the knee with the right hand. Didn't really look like a play on the ball given how far away he was from it.

Barkley was right -- they are reviewing too much stuff
I am not sure Poole did anything malicious
I don't think Brooks did either - but he DID deserve a F2 foul. Kerr over-reacted - but whats knew with that dude. He is so full of himself these days. He never should have been hired as Olyumpics coach

I don't think there was any ill intent in the Poole grab of the knee. To me, it was an unconscious, inadvertent and not particularly forceful contact to get closer in order to reach the ball. I mean, who thinks you could actually injure someone by grabbing someone knee with your hand? Like if it was me and I had to injure someone's knee with my bare hands, I would've probably thought I needed to use both hands and push down with my weight with the help of gravity. Certainly not the way Poole made contact. And this is all happening in like a split second with two guys were going for the ball. He's not thinking, I need to steal the ball hey look a knee! oh F it, I'm going to injure this guy! Like that's not possible.

The Brooks flagrant has a little more weight. Both guys were getting to the hop, both guys know there's always some danger in going up on the streak while being challenged and I thought Brook's challenge attempt was really poorly timed and imo lacked the care he should've taken when challenging someone going up for a layup/dunk. Did it have ill-intent? I don't think so but it was flagrant, it was unnecessary and excessive contact

[bwgood77]

Poole was also pushing Ja's hip with his left hand when he was grabbing the knee with the right hand. Didn't really look like a play on the ball given how far away he was from it.

Barkley was right -- they are reviewing too much stuff
I am not sure Poole did anything malicious
I don't think Brooks did either - but he DID deserve a F2 foul. Kerr over-reacted - but whats knew with that dude. He is so full of himself these days. He never should have been hired as Olyumpics coach

I don't think there was any ill intent in the Poole grab of the knee. To me, it was an unconscious, inadvertent and not particularly forceful contact to get closer in order to reach the ball. I mean, who thinks you could actually injure someone by grabbing someone knee with your hand? Like if it was me and I had to injure someone's knee with my bare hands, I would've probably thought I needed to use both hands and push down with my weight with the help of gravity. Certainly not the way Poole made contact. And this is all happening in like a split second with two guys were going for the ball. He's not thinking, I need to steal the ball hey look a knee! oh F it, I'm going to injure this guy! Like that's not possible.

The Brooks flagrant has a little more weight. Both guys were getting to the hop, both guys know there's always some danger in going up on the streak while being challenged and I thought Brook's challenge attempt was really poorly timed and imo lacked the care he should've taken when challenging someone going up for a layup/dunk. Did it have ill-intent? I don't think so but it was flagrant, it was unnecessary and excessive contact

I don't know that grab on the knee looked pretty blatant to me.

Is Morant definitely out tonight? Maybe they can do what they did in the regular season and play well without him. Heck, they beat us with 2nd and 3rd stringers near the end of the season when they benched all their starters AND Tyus Jones.

[lilfishi22]

Barkley was right -- they are reviewing too much stuff
I am not sure Poole did anything malicious
I don't think Brooks did either - but he DID deserve a F2 foul. Kerr over-reacted - but whats knew with that dude. He is so full of himself these days. He never should have been hired as Olyumpics coach

I don't think there was any ill intent in the Poole grab of the knee. To me, it was an unconscious, inadvertent and not particularly forceful contact to get closer in order to reach the ball. I mean, who thinks you could actually injure someone by grabbing someone knee with your hand? Like if it was me and I had to injure someone's knee with my bare hands, I would've probably thought I needed to use both hands and push down with my weight with the help of gravity. Certainly not the way Poole made contact. And this is all happening in like a split second with two guys were going for the ball. He's not thinking, I need to steal the ball hey look a knee! oh F it, I'm going to injure this guy! Like that's not possible.

The Brooks flagrant has a little more weight. Both guys were getting to the hop, both guys know there's always some danger in going up on the streak while being challenged and I thought Brook's challenge attempt was really poorly timed and imo lacked the care he should've taken when challenging someone going up for a layup/dunk. Did it have ill-intent? I don't think so but it was flagrant, it was unnecessary and excessive contact

I don't know that grab on the knee looked pretty blatant to me.

Is Morant definitely out tonight? Maybe they can do what they did in the regular season and play well without him. Heck, they beat us with 2nd and 3rd stringers near the end of the season when they benched all their starters AND Tyus Jones.

Yeah it's a foul. I didn't say there was no contact. But to suggest he was trying to injure Morant by grabbing his knee is totally ridiculous to me. Everything looks worse in slow motion because you can be like at frame 25, it's at this exact point he thought hmmm I can gain an advantage for us and possibly for the series if I injure their star player, what can I do in this moment? Can I elbow him, can I step on his foot? Can I break his pinkie? No, I'll grab his knee for a split second yeah that's what I'll do.

I mean, that whole trap sequence was like 2 seconds long, there's no way a guy changes his thought from I need to step up to trap the ball handler, oh I see an an opportunity to injure and I need to go for it.

[bwgood77]

I don't think there was any ill intent in the Poole grab of the knee. To me, it was an unconscious, inadvertent and not particularly forceful contact to get closer in order to reach the ball. I mean, who thinks you could actually injure someone by grabbing someone knee with your hand? Like if it was me and I had to injure someone's knee with my bare hands, I would've probably thought I needed to use both hands and push down with my weight with the help of gravity. Certainly not the way Poole made contact. And this is all happening in like a split second with two guys were going for the ball. He's not thinking, I need to steal the ball hey look a knee! oh F it, I'm going to injure this guy! Like that's not possible.

The Brooks flagrant has a little more weight. Both guys were getting to the hop, both guys know there's always some danger in going up on the streak while being challenged and I thought Brook's challenge attempt was really poorly timed and imo lacked the care he should've taken when challenging someone going up for a layup/dunk. Did it have ill-intent? I don't think so but it was flagrant, it was unnecessary and excessive contact

I don't know that grab on the knee looked pretty blatant to me.

Is Morant definitely out tonight? Maybe they can do what they did in the regular season and play well without him. Heck, they beat us with 2nd and 3rd stringers near the end of the season when they benched all their starters AND Tyus Jones.

Yeah it's a foul. I didn't say there was no contact. But to suggest he was trying to injure Morant by grabbing his knee is totally ridiculous to me. Everything looks worse in slow motion because you can be like at frame 25, it's at this exact point he thought hmmm I can gain an advantage for us and possibly for the series if I injure their star player, what can I do in this moment? Can I elbow him, can I step on his foot? Can I break his pinkie? No, I'll grab his knee for a split second yeah that's what I'll do.

I mean, that whole trap sequence was like 2 seconds long, there's no way a guy changes his thought from I need to step up to trap the ball handler, oh I see an an opportunity to injure and I need to go for it.

It's hard to say if it was on purpose. I don't think he was trying to injure him necessarily, but I do think in trying to impact the play, he grabbed his knee, which is a big no no. It is a little similar to unintentionally sliding your feet into someone's landing area. Don't do it, whether you meant to or not, because it can cause injury, like it did.

[lilfishi22]

I don't know that grab on the knee looked pretty blatant to me.

Is Morant definitely out tonight? Maybe they can do what they did in the regular season and play well without him. Heck, they beat us with 2nd and 3rd stringers near the end of the season when they benched all their starters AND Tyus Jones.

Yeah it's a foul. I didn't say there was no contact. But to suggest he was trying to injure Morant by grabbing his knee is totally ridiculous to me. Everything looks worse in slow motion because you can be like at frame 25, it's at this exact point he thought hmmm I can gain an advantage for us and possibly for the series if I injure their star player, what can I do in this moment? Can I elbow him, can I step on his foot? Can I break his pinkie? No, I'll grab his knee for a split second yeah that's what I'll do.

I mean, that whole trap sequence was like 2 seconds long, there's no way a guy changes his thought from I need to step up to trap the ball handler, oh I see an an opportunity to injure and I need to go for it.

It's hard to say if it was on purpose. I don't think he was trying to injure him necessarily, but I do think in trying to impact the play, he grabbed his knee, which is a big no no. It is a little similar to unintentionally sliding your feet into someone's landing area. Don't do it, whether you meant to or not, because it can cause injury, like it did.

Sliding the foot under someone's landing zone is a big no-no because we've seen multiple injures come from it and it's something the league had looked into and made a specific rule against it. That's very clear. But the knee grab is imo incidental and no one really thinks a knee grab = injury. Unless you do jiujitsu or something and have trained this knee grab extensively at this specific angle, it's an entirely far fetched narrative. Not saying it couldn't injure but that's like saying you put your hands anywhere on someone's body, it *could* lead to an injury if so and so happened but it's basketball, there's going to be incidental contact.