Nikola Jokic wins MVP(again)

[eyeatoma]

Then maybe just maybe the people who actually voted for the award know more about basketball than you? Food for thought

Bunch of advanced stats media nerds, who most probably haven't touched a basketball in their life? It's telling that many current and former players think Embiid was the MVP.

Mhmm so you need to have been a former NBA player to understand the game right? That’s why all the coaches and GMs in the league are former players right?

It's actually one of the biggest issues in the league. A league that is predominantly black, with a minority of black coaches, and a minority of former players.

The ugly truth is, that white owners, prefer college educated white coaches.

[Dutchball97]

Idgaf what the analytics geeks say, Embiid was the real MVP this season.

You don't care about what these "geeks" that get hired by NBA teams to do their player evaluation have to say but you expect anyone to care about your baseless opinion?

[kriss73]

It's the destiny of Embiid: lost the ROY to Brogdon because you know...availability is skill.
LOL. Fast forward 5 years later: Joel is a MVP candidate, Brogdon is salary dump candidate.

Now he lost the MVP because RAPTOR and PER matter are skills.

Ok, I colud be a biased Sixers' fan but I won't trade EMbiid for Jokic and a 1st. Expecially this year.
Imho the Embiid's gravity is greater than Jokic's.

He lost the MVP because he had his 2nd best guy out all season and got 51 wins, while the other guy who had his 2nd and 3rd guy out won 48 wins. Without Maxey, the Sixers would have been a .500 team this season. Had the Sixers finished 1st in the East, he would have won it. Better luck next time.

I disagree.
He lost the MVP for stats.
This could be an stgrong argument, I can understand this logic.

But I watched both Jokic and Embiid this year and in a pickup game I choose EMbiid over Jokic without hesitation.

Unfortunately I have no vote in the NBA MVP poll

[John Murdoch]

Some rare air...out of curiousity how many other multiple MVPs has there been? ( Not including finals MVP)

[eyeatoma]

Idgaf what the analytics geeks say, Embiid was the real MVP this season.

You don't care about what these "geeks" that get hired by NBA teams to do their player evaluation have to say but you expect anyone to care about your baseless opinion?

Your guy won, of course you are going to value their opinion. Simple psychology.

[Bruin]

Bunch of advanced stats media nerds, who most probably haven't touched a basketball in their life? It's telling that many current and former players think Embiid was the MVP.

Mhmm so you need to have been a former NBA player to understand the game right? That’s why all the coaches and GMs in the league are former players right?

It's actually one of the biggest issues in the league. A league that is predominantly black, with a minority of black coaches, and a minority of former players.

The ugly truth is, that white owners, prefer college educated white coaches.

Lol this is truly sad that you’re now making this a race thing

But just to entertain your purely sad take, how about Masai Ujiri? One of the greatest execs in the league (who is black btw). He didn’t need to be a former NBA player to know what he’s doing

[Raps in 4]

Idgaf what the analytics geeks say, Embiid was the real MVP this season.

You don't care about what these "geeks" that get hired by NBA teams to do their player evaluation have to say but you expect anyone to care about your baseless opinion?

Your guy won, of course you are going to value their opinion. Simple psychology.

Stats aren't an opinion.

[eyeatoma]

Mhmm so you need to have been a former NBA player to understand the game right? That’s why all the coaches and GMs in the league are former players right?

It's actually one of the biggest issues in the league. A league that is predominantly black, with a minority of black coaches, and a minority of former players.

The ugly truth is, that white owners, prefer college educated white coaches.

Lol this is truly sad that you’re not making this a race thing

But just to entertain your purely sad take, how about Masai Ujiri? One of the greatest execs in the league (who is black btw). He didn’t need to be a former NBA player to know what he’s doing

I stated a fact. I'm sorry that facts are inconvenient for you, and race issues are inconvenient for you.

[soxfan2003]

Jokic deserved it. What has received not enough discussion on the national level, Jayson Tatum is the only player that will receive or should receive some serious MVP votes that played more games than Jokic. 76 games for Tatum and 74 for Jokic. Tatum played 2 more, the other players all played 6 games or more less than Jokic.

Regular season availability should count for something for a regular season award when the players are close to each other in terms of impact on a game to game basis.

[Wolfgang630]

I see we jumped to the race part of the cycle quickly this time.

[maxpower8888]

Imagine if Jokic had Maxey, Harden and Harris on his team and only won 51 games?

[Bruin]

It's actually one of the biggest issues in the league. A league that is predominantly black, with a minority of black coaches, and a minority of former players.

The ugly truth is, that white owners, prefer college educated white coaches.

Lol this is truly sad that you’re not making this a race thing

But just to entertain your purely sad take, how about Masai Ujiri? One of the greatest execs in the league (who is black btw). He didn’t need to be a former NBA player to know what he’s doing

I stated a fact. I'm sorry that facts are inconvenient for you, and race issues are inconvenient for you.

You stated a fact that is irrelevant to your argument

[eyeatoma]

You don't care about what these "geeks" that get hired by NBA teams to do their player evaluation have to say but you expect anyone to care about your baseless opinion?

Your guy won, of course you are going to value their opinion. Simple psychology.

Stats aren't an opinion.

Stats that overvalue production at the center position, definitely seem to have a bias, which inherently makes it subjective and opinion based. Whoever designed, did a pretty **** job with it.

[Rainwater]

So that means Jokic > Embiid right?

We didn't need an award for that, but yes, it means that as well.

No, it doesn't, lol.

[Raps in 4]

Your guy won, of course you are going to value their opinion. Simple psychology.

Stats aren't an opinion.

Stats that overvalue production at the center position, definitely seem to have a bias, which inherently makes it subjective and opinion based. Whoever designed, did a pretty **** job with it.

Doesn't Embiid play the center position?

[Castle Black]

Some rare air...out of curiousity how many other multiple MVPs has there been? ( Not including finals MVP)

Now 14 players:

1. Bill Russell
2. Wilt
3. Kareem
4. Moses Malone
5. Larry Bird
6. Magic
7. Jordan
8. Karl Malone
9. Tim Duncan
10. Steve Nash
11. Lebron
12. Steph Curry
13. Giannis
14. Jokic

[Bruin]

Stats aren't an opinion.

Stats that overvalue production at the center position, definitely seem to have a bias, which inherently makes it subjective and opinion based. Whoever designed, did a pretty **** job with it.

Doesn't Embiid play the center position?

The guy is spewing a bunch of nonsense right now

[Ryoga Hibiki]

It's totally reasonable to think Embiid was worthy to be named MVP.
It's totally unreasonable to think Jokic was not worthy to be named MVP.

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[Cubbies2120]

Bunch of advanced stats media nerds, who most probably haven't touched a basketball in their life? It's telling that many current and former players think Embiid was the MVP.

Mhmm so you need to have been a former NBA player to understand the game right? That’s why all the coaches and GMs in the league are former players right?

It's actually one of the biggest issues in the league. A league that is predominantly black, with a minority of black coaches, and a minority of former players.

The ugly truth is, that white owners, prefer college educated white coaches.

And do you think black players prefer to prop up other black players or white players, since you’re bringing race into it?

[eyeatoma]

Lol this is truly sad that you’re not making this a race thing

But just to entertain your purely sad take, how about Masai Ujiri? One of the greatest execs in the league (who is black btw). He didn’t need to be a former NBA player to know what he’s doing

I stated a fact. I'm sorry that facts are inconvenient for you, and race issues are inconvenient for you.

You stated a fact that is irrelevant to your argument

I responded to your initial post. If you have a problem with it, then you shouldn't have written what you said. You expect people not to respond to that?

And to respond to this one, yes Masai is awesome at his job, and he's black. Thanks for proving my point. The NBA needs more execs like him. I didn't say all coaches need to be former players. I said that more coaches need to better represent the demographics of the large majority of the NBA community.