Nikola Jokic wins MVP(again)

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Take Steps MVPs away? Not a great defender.

Seriously. Steph got subbed out too. That doesn’t mean Steph wasn’t MVP.

Conveniently ignoring the injury part in the tweet though lol.

Injuring someone doesn't invalidate you from winning the MVP. Also, Morris deserved it.

[Rainwater]

Take Steps MVPs away? Not a great defender.

Seriously. Steph got subbed out too. That doesn’t mean Steph wasn’t MVP.

Conveniently ignoring the injury part in the tweet though lol.

You do realize Embiid was injured right.

[JRoy]

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Take Steps MVPs away? Not a great defender.

What Steph did with his two MVPS were far more revolutionary than what Jokic is doing. Steph's MVPs also resulted in a championship for one of those seasons. Far better than what Jokic was ever able to do.

Curry has had a much better team than Jokic ever has.

How is Curry more revolutionary than Jokic? Because he shoots ton of 3s?

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Great regular season player

That’s great because it is a regular season award.

[User_friendly]

Lol Another 1st round exit MVP, congrats but they need to start giving this award to players that actually win.

Yes, if MPJ and Murray hadn't been injured, Jokic would have been quite more valuable, right?

[zeebneeb]

It's actually one of the biggest issues in the league. A league that is predominantly black, with a minority of black coaches, and a minority of former players.

The ugly truth is, that white owners, prefer college educated white coaches.

just fyi, of the "current" head coaches in the nba 16 are non-white, which i believe is a majority.

Long time coming, that is not how the league historically has been. They have made a concerted effort to shift this. Remember how upset former players got when Minnesota hired someone who wasn't black? How many head execs are black?

Definitely not half.

Your heading down a path your not ready to take as your using percentage of the leagues players ethnicities, to lay claim to positions in the front office, coaching, e.t.c.


This is horrendous logic as if it was applied to village, city, county, state, and national standards, the reverse happens. The mere fact that you can't see what your saying means you should be wary of the exact logic your using.

Your argument is terrible, for multiple reasons.

This is the Jokic MVP thread. It's fine to go off on tangents but this one is getting a bit de-railing, especially with it's potential to tank the thread into a discussion about race and inequality. Respectfully, this isn't the thread to have this discussion. So please stay on topic, everyone who's been getting in on this one.
-js21

[Cubbies2120]

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Lol salty Philadelphia beat-writer.

He is right. Jokic has anger management issues and can't be on the floor during key defensive plays, but hey advanced stats say he's an elite defender.

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How many dirty plays has Embiid done in this playoff alone? How many elbows to faces, flagrant fouls, etc.

Jokic’s “dirty play” came after Morris tried to take him out.

Taking Jokic out for a key defensive possession was a strategic move, but it should really be the norm.

We saw a full 3 minute compilation of Embiid getting worked by PRECIOUS ACHIUWA cause he couldn’t keep up with him. And you want Jokic to keep up with Curry and are bringing up ONE play that Jokic sat for?


Aaaaaaandddd STIIIIILLLLLLL your reigning MVP of the league, Nikola Jokic!!!

[Raps in 4]

Take Steps MVPs away? Not a great defender.

What Steph did with his two MVPS were far more revolutionary than what Jokic is doing. Steph's MVPs also resulted in a championship for one of those seasons. Far better than what Jokic was ever able to do.

Curry has had a much better team than Jokic ever has.

How is Curry more revolutionary than Jokic? Because he shouts s ton of 3s?

Steph is definitely more revolutionary than Jokic. He changed the entire game with his play.

But that's irrelevant. Jokic's production this season was on par with anything from Curry.

[Perseus1966]

Why do people using "First round exit" crap even though they know it's a regular season award?

it was the main argument for Giannis last year and year before ,he chokes in play offs

[eyeatoma]

Nobody has a problem discussing race but you brought it out of nowhere in an irrelevant manner.

We were talking about how there are GMs and coaches in the league who aren’t former players to show the fact that you don’t need to be a former player like Antoine Walker to understand basketball

You just pulled the race argument out of nowhere

This board definitely has a problem discussing race, it is reflective of society as well.

If you want to discuss race and it’s impact on the league, you’re totally free to discuss it. And I’m sure many will entertain it, myself included. But the way you brought race into this particular discussion has no substance

For the media to go out of it's way with a podcast blitz, through mostly white created Zach Lowe cronies about how it was a catastrophe that Jokic wasn't leading the MVP straw poll midseason was despicable. Literally every single podcast that I listened to, had something about how Jokic wasn't getting his due credit. They couldn't stand that their precious advanced stats weren't being lauded.

Let's also talk about precedent. When was the last time that an NBA MVP, did worse record wise but still won the MVP? In a season where there was another candidate who had a better record, and hadn't won the MVP, did the media really have to go out of their way to say, OMG, for the love of humanity, Jokic needs to get a 2nd MVP. Seriously?

No worries though, Embiid has a far better chance at actually winning an NBA championship than Jokic, so even if he never wins an MVP, with a few tweaks, he'll win a ring in the next 1-3 years. Even with Murray and Porter Jr. back, I don't think the Nuggets will. Offensively they will be great, but defensively good luck.

[bebopdeluxe]

Time to give the vote back to the players instead of the media.

[Cubbies2120]

What Steph did with his two MVPS were far more revolutionary than what Jokic is doing. Steph's MVPs also resulted in a championship for one of those seasons. Far better than what Jokic was ever able to do.

Curry has had a much better team than Jokic ever has.

How is Curry more revolutionary than Jokic? Because he shouts s ton of 3s?

Steph is definitely more revolutionary than Jokic. He changed the entire game with his play.

But that's irrelevant. Jokic's production this season was on par with anything from Curry.

I think Jokic’s style of play will be revolutionary as well (not to extent of Curry though).

We’re gonna see a lot of big men developing their passing game in the next 5-10 years, becoming capable of leading fast breaks, etc.

[Bruin]

This board definitely has a problem discussing race, it is reflective of society as well.

If you want to discuss race and it’s impact on the league, you’re totally free to discuss it. And I’m sure many will entertain it, myself included. But the way you brought race into this particular discussion has no substance

For the media to go out of it's way with a podcast blitz, through mostly white created Zach Lowe cronies about how it was a catastrophe that Jokic wasn't leading the MVP straw poll midseason was despicable. Literally every single podcast that I listened to, had something about how Jokic wasn't getting his due credit. They couldn't stand that their precious advanced stats weren't being lauded.

Let's also talk about precedent. When was the last time that an NBA MVP, did worse record wise but still won the MVP? In a season where there was another candidate who had a better record, and hadn't won the MVP, did the media really have to go out of their way to say, OMG, for the love of humanity, Jokic needs to get a 2nd MVP. Seriously?

No worries though, Embiid has a far better chance at actually winning an NBA championship than Jokic, so even if he never wins an MVP, with a few tweaks, he'll win a ring in the next 1-3 years. Even with Murray and Porter Jr. back, I don't think the Nuggets will. Offensively they will be great, but defensively good luck.

What does this have anything to do with the race BS you were saying earlier?

[Raps in 4]

Time to give the vote back to the players instead of the media.

And after Jokic wins it again,

"Time to give the vote to the good people of Philadelphia instead of the players"

[Richard Miller]

[Personally I think Gordon and Harris are similar level players than you still have Bones who was great surprise in his own right and guys like Barton, Morris, Campazzo who were all really solid.

Campazzo literally had one of the worst stats in the league this year and was completely out of rotation after the AS break. Barton among the worst starters, especially in the playoffs.

[eyeatoma]

just fyi, of the "current" head coaches in the nba 16 are non-white, which i believe is a majority.

Long time coming, that is not how the league historically has been. They have made a concerted effort to shift this. Remember how upset former players got when Minnesota hired someone who wasn't black? How many head execs are black?

Definitely not half.

Your heading down a path your not ready to take as your using percentage of the leagues players ethnicities, to lay claim to positions in the front office, coaching, e.t.c.


This is horrendous logic as if it was applied to village, city, county, state, and national standards, the reverse happens. The mere fact that you can't see what your saying means you should be wary of the exact logic your using.

Your argument is terrible, for multiple reasons.

Interesting, out of genuine curiously can you enlighten me about this? I'm happy to say that I'm wrong, I'd rather engage in a true discussion why, as opposed to people blindly saying, derp, "here comes the race card".

Edit: just saw a mod's post in response to yours. I'm fine stopping. Perhaps at a later time I'll open a thread about this issue.

[Bologna Smasher]

Hopefully the Nuggets can make some changes to get him some help this season. I know the injuries are obvious factor, but I still think they need to do more with the rest of the roster.

With Jokic's upcoming extension and Porter & Murray's deals, their cap flexibility is about to be nonexistent. They should've looked to move Porter before giving him his extension, hopefully they can do something with him in the next year or two.

[cupcakesnake]

Time to give the vote back to the players instead of the media.

Why stop there? Let's give the vote back to K-pop fans. Andrew Wiggins for MVP!

[Perseus1966]

It's the destiny of Embiid: lost the ROY to Brogdon because you know...availability is skill.
LOL. Fast forward 5 years later: Joel is a MVP candidate, Brogdon is salary dump candidate.

Now he lost the MVP because RAPTOR and PER matter are skills.

Ok, I colud be a biased Sixers' fan but I won't trade EMbiid for Jokic and a 1st. Expecially this year.
Imho the Embiid's gravity is greater than Jokic's.

He lost the MVP because he had his 2nd best guy out all season and got 51 wins, while the other guy who had his 2nd and 3rd guy out won 48 wins. Without Maxey, the Sixers would have been a .500 team this season. Had the Sixers finished 1st in the East, he would have won it. Better luck next time.

since when MPJ and Murray are best guys ? because they played well in bubble?

[Cubbies2120]

This board definitely has a problem discussing race, it is reflective of society as well.

If you want to discuss race and it’s impact on the league, you’re totally free to discuss it. And I’m sure many will entertain it, myself included. But the way you brought race into this particular discussion has no substance

For the media to go out of it's way with a podcast blitz, through mostly white created Zach Lowe cronies about how it was a catastrophe that Jokic wasn't leading the MVP straw poll midseason was despicable. Literally every single podcast that I listened to, had something about how Jokic wasn't getting his due credit. They couldn't stand that their precious advanced stats weren't being lauded.

Let's also talk about precedent. When was the last time that an NBA MVP, did worse record wise but still won the MVP? In a season where there was another candidate who had a better record, and hadn't won the MVP, did the media really have to go out of their way to say, OMG, for the love of humanity, Jokic needs to get a 2nd MVP. Seriously?

No worries though, Embiid has a far better chance at actually winning an NBA championship than Jokic, so even if he never wins an MVP, with a few tweaks, he'll win a ring in the next 1-3 years. Even with Murray and Porter Jr. back, I don't think the Nuggets will. Offensively they will be great, but defensively good luck.

Let’s talk about precedent indeed! Gotta go back 44 years to find an MVP who missed more than 10 games. Embiid missed 14 this year.

In any other year that might be ok, but not in a historic year like this.

Embiid has a better chance of winning championship because he has better teammates. We saw Harden put Embiid and the Sixers on his back last night, it was on display for the world to see.

The list of NBA champions is huge - the list of multiple MVP winners is about a dozen people in all of NBA history. Let’s revisit this conversation if Embiid wins it all as the most important player on his team, ever.