Nikola Jokic wins MVP(again)

Tottery · Post #301 » by **Tottery** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:00 pm

It's a regular season award for being the most valuable to your team. It was a toss up between Jokic and Embiid imo. Nothing shocking about this outcome.

People like to argue what the player does in the post season, but fail to remember this award has nothing to do with the post season. You want a playoffs MVP award...got to get the Finals MVP.

Raps in 4 · Post #302 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:01 pm

ReddoverKobe wrote:Just not MVP of the 2nd round lol. WE all know who the best player is, its not close, shame voters did this. Kind of like when Malone won over Jordan.

Jokic had a better season than Giannis.

Antinomy · Post #303 » by **Antinomy** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:03 pm

He’s getting the Steve Nash treatment — that’s what happens when you’re an analytics darling.

Let’s just give it to him next year too while we’re at it. Nash nearly won 3 years in row.

He’s gonna have a better record next year & that will justify it.

I’ve been saying it for months.

soxfan2003 · Post #304 » by **soxfan2003** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:05 pm

maxpower8888 wrote:Hey remember when all those racists voted for Giannis, Harden, Westbrook, Steph, Durant, LeBron, Rose, and Kobe as the MVP before showing their true colors?

Race and even nationality are fair to discuss but ideally it should be done in a manner with substance.

But it is funny that you mention Steph since there was a LOT of discussion in NBA circles that he was being pushed and overrated because of his light skin. In reality, the league and advertisers ideally want players the public can identify with and shorter players that are interesting to watch with good personality have the advantage there.

BelgradeNugget · Post #305 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:05 pm

DaFan334 wrote:
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Castle Black wrote:
Lol salty Philadelphia beat-writer.
He is right. Jokic has anger management issues and can't be on the floor during key defensive plays, but hey advanced stats say he's an elite defender.

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Yeah, can't be on the floor at the end of close games because of his defense....

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Even from the bench he called the play, and helped his team defense. Great basketball mind. That is why a lot of ex-players, media guys and fans can't appreciate him, you have to have basketball IQ above average to recognize a genious.

ReddoverKobe · Post #306 » by **ReddoverKobe** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:08 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
ReddoverKobe wrote:Just not MVP of the 2nd round lol. WE all know who the best player is, its not close, shame voters did this. Kind of like when Malone won over Jordan.

Jokic had a better season than Giannis.

Sure, if you dont watch games. Sorry, MVP's dont get subbed out on D because they are fat and cant breath.

BuT He CaLleD ThE PlAy OuT

Post #307 » by **Slava** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:10 pm

Well deserved win. No team that played Facundo Campazzo > 1000 minutes had any business even being in the playoffs. That dude is Smush Parker level awful.

soxfan2003 · Post #308 » by **soxfan2003** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:13 pm

Tottery wrote:It's a regular season award for being the most valuable to your team. It was a toss up between Jokic and Embiid imo. Nothing shocking about this outcome.

People like to argue what the player does in the post season, but fail to remember this award has nothing to do with the post season. You want a playoffs MVP award...got to get the Finals MVP.

I don't even think it should have been a tossup... Jokic deserved over 90% of the first place votes. If Embiid had played 74 games and Jokic just 68 than I would have voted for Embiid if I had a vote. 8 games that Jokic missed is a lot for an MVP award but I'd be surprised if there was more than 3-4 MVPs in NBA history that missed 14+ regular season games.

Regular season availability should count for something for a regular season award. Now if all of the top candidates are playing less than 70 games, different story but Jokic at least played 74.

HEKTOR · Post #309 » by **HEKTOR** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:14 pm

Antinomy wrote:He’s getting the Steve Nash treatment — that’s what happens when you’re an analytics darling.

Let’s just give it to him next year too while we’re at it. Nash nearly won 3 years in row.

He’s gonna have a better record next year & that will justify it.

I’ve been saying it for months.

His stats should go down with the return of Murray and MPJ - minus assist #s.
I'm not sure Embiid, Giannis, etc would have been able to do as much as Jokic did this year with the roster he had around him.
With that being said, I think someone else wins it next year while Jokic still has a great year.

dhsilv2 · Post #310 » by **dhsilv2** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:14 pm

Antinomy wrote:He’s getting the Steve Nash treatment — that’s what happens when you’re an analytics darling.

Let’s just give it to him next year too while we’re at it. Nash nearly won 3 years in row.

He’s gonna have a better record next year & that will justify it.

I’ve been saying it for months.

What was the analytics argument for nash? I don't recall that at all. If anything the "analytics" guy at the time, Hollinger, was talking about how Amare was the sun's best player.

Post #311 » by **Prez** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:17 pm

Well deserved. If anyone else should’ve won I think it should’ve been Giannis, I think he was slightly better than Embiid. But I’m cool with Jokic winning over Giannis, statistically he does have the edge and it’s not like his team was in the gutter, they were firmly in the playoffs.

Jcity08 · Post #312 » by **Jcity08** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:17 pm

Its a regular season award, not a playoff award. Weird to see some people litigate the award using highlights/lowlights from the playoffs.

Jokic had a great season and he really deserved it.

hardenASG13 · Post #313 » by **hardenASG13** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:18 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:One question for all Embiid fans crying here about him being snubbed.

How many times has a player with his team being lover than 3th place in his conference won MVP in the last 20 years (I didn't search further, I was lazy). One time and that was Westbrook with his historical season. This season Jokic has done something historical, and won with his team being 6th.

What has Embiid done historically this season to win MVP with his team being 4th in the East. He had historically to deal with Simmons quitting on his team and the city. That is it? Fact is if Jokic doesn't have argument for MVP, Embiid shouldn't be in the conversation.

Philly was 45-23 when Embiid played this year. He has more help, yes, but open your eyes. Miami was going to sweep Philly without Embiid, pretty easily. Hes an extremely effective and valuable player, to say he didnt belong in the conversation is just nonsense.That means philly without him is really worse than an 8 seed (also evidenced by their 6-8 RS record without him), and with him they are title contenders. Giannis was also a much better player with anyone for an eye for it, and is proving so by continuing to lead his team without Middleton (it can be done!).

Honestly, who cares about MVP anymore though. Its a flawed award based on the RS, which nobody ultimately judges great players on, which Jokic is. Probably because its such a slog and hard for teams to practice and gameplan fully. Its too bad we only saw Jokic for 5 games this post season, none of which he took over. When teams are in a playoff series, going against the best teams with extremely tight gameplans, we see who the best and most valuable players are.

Johnny Firpo · Post #314 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:22 pm

Rainwater wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:
Gusto1903 wrote:So that means Jokic > Embiid right?

We didn't need an award for that, but yes, it means that as well.

No, it doesn't, lol.

Okay, it doesn't mean it then. Jokic is still the better player.

BelgradeNugget · Post #315 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:25 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
BelgradeNugget wrote:One question for all Embiid fans crying here about him being snubbed.

How many times has a player with his team being lover than 3th place in his conference won MVP in the last 20 years (I didn't search further, I was lazy). One time and that was Westbrook with his historical season. This season Jokic has done something historical, and won with his team being 6th.

What has Embiid done historically this season to win MVP with his team being 4th in the East. He had historically to deal with Simmons quitting on his team and the city. That is it? Fact is if Jokic doesn't have argument for MVP, Embiid shouldn't be in the conversation.

Philly was 45-23 when Embiid played this year. He has more help, yes, but open your eyes. Miami was going to sweep Philly without Embiid, pretty easily. Hes an extremely effective and valuable player, to say he didnt belong in the conversation is just nonsense.That means philly without him is really worse than an 8 seed (also evidenced by their 6-8 RS record without him), and with him they are title contenders. Giannis was also a much better player with anyone for an eye for it, and is proving so by continuing to lead his team without Middleton (it can be done!).

Honestly, who cares about MVP anymore though. Its a flawed award based on the RS, which nobody ultimately judges great players on, which Jokic is. Probably because its such a slog and hard for teams to practice and gameplan fully. Its too bad we only saw Jokic for 5 games this post season, none of which he took over. When teams are in a playoff series, going against the best teams with extremely tight gameplans, we see who the best and most valuable players are.

You answered to my post but you didn't answer to my question. My question about Embiid wasn't is he a great player or not. Question is simple. If Jokic shouldn't win MVP because of 6th seed how can Embiid be in conversation being 4th in the east? How many times has someone won MVP in the last 20 years with his team being below 3rd in its conference?

And your comment about Jokic not taking over any game in the POs this year tells me all I need to know about you waching Nuggets games

Woodsanity · Post #316 » by **Woodsanity** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:29 pm

The obvious conclusion.

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #317 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:30 pm

This is a damn shame. Embiid robbed.

hoosierdaddy34 · Post #318 » by **hoosierdaddy34** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:31 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:
We didn't need an award for that, but yes, it means that as well.

No, it doesn't, lol.

Okay, it doesn't mean it then. Jokic is still the better player.

No he’s not.

Sharkboy242 · Post #319 » by **Sharkboy242** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:32 pm

Nice to see the jokic haters out in full force this morning.

Stay salty.

Pistol_Pete · Post #320 » by **Pistol_Pete** » Mon May 9, 2022 4:33 pm

No problem with this, had a GOAT season.

Embiid will get his eventually. Some fans are crazy salty. Chill…we have 3 all time great big men playing in this era, its a pleasure to watch.