Nikola Jokic 21-22 Thread - 2022 NBA MVP Any thoughts?

GSP · Post #221 » by **GSP** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:35 am

Jokic was poor the first 2 games but flipped a switch and was absolutely spectacular the last 3. Gave Denver a chance in all last 3 games with a SEISMIC difference in supporting cast. Nothing more he could do. Mvp

falcolombardi · Post #222 » by **falcolombardi** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:40 am

i would be worried about draymond offense against better defensive teams

so many awkward possesions for warriors where draymond has the ball but no one open to pass were killing golden state offense

i know people tell me that it doesnt matter in kerr motion system but i still believe draymond scoring/shooting is a huge fragile spot for defenses to target

kinda like 2016 when barnes shooting killed the warriors

Bidofo · Post #223 » by **Bidofo** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:44 am

35/15/6 on 73 TS% his last 3 games vs what would probably be clearly the best defense on the year with Draymond healthy with a **** supporting cast. Tough seeing a top 10 offensive player of all time go out. The only bad thing you can say on that end is 6 tpg but considering his load it's really whatever.

FuShengTHEGreat · Post #224 » by **FuShengTHEGreat** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 4:52 am

GSP wrote:Jokic was poor the first 2 games but flipped a switch and was absolutely spectacular the last 3. Gave Denver a chance in all last 3 games with a SEISMIC difference in supporting cast. Nothing more he could do. Mvp

Any other Center since peak Shaq would've considered his "poor" first 2 games above average to excellent.

His last 3 games.....he was as impactful as any Center in NBA history. Damned shame this Nuggets team couldn't remain healthy. I'm having flashbacks to the Rockets around Olajuwon after the 85-86 season.

I hope that his cast gets back on track

kayess · Post #225 » by **kayess** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 7:36 am

Ok. Well I mean if the metrics + eye test back-up that he's an above-average defender in a ton of schemes and against a lot of opposition... Then this guy has top 10 all-time potential then. Can't wait. Hope he wins a 3rd straight MVP

migya · Post #226 » by **migya** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:19 am

He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

The High Cyde · Post #227 » by **The High Cyde** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:22 am

kayess wrote:Ok. Well I mean if the metrics + eye test back-up that he's an above-average defender in a ton of schemes and against a lot of opposition... Then this guy has top 10 all-time potential then. Can't wait. Hope he wins a 3rd straight MVP

With Murray and MPJ back, along with the periphery players having some good playoff experience under their belt, Nuggets will be vying for a top seed next season. He’ll have the stats and the record to repeat potentially.

70sFan · Post #228 » by **70sFan** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:50 am

migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

He'd play differently against good big shotblocker. We've seen him against Gobert in the bubble and he was doing well.

MyUniBroDavis · Post #229 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:28 am

70sFan wrote:
migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

He'd play differently against good big shotblocker. We've seen him against Gobert in the bubble and he was doing well.

I feel the only people Jokic has a bit more trouble against are people that are bulky too, but even then trouble is really relative

He absolute cooked Gobert and AD lol

GSP · Post #230 » by **GSP** » Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:03 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
70sFan wrote:
migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

He'd play differently against good big shotblocker. We've seen him against Gobert in the bubble and he was doing well.

I feel the only people Jokic has a bit more trouble against are people that are bulky too, but even then trouble is really relative

He absolute cooked Gobert and AD lol

Ayton gives him a lot of problems and he isn't bulky. IIRC Nikola even said he causes him the most issues

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Jokic wouldve had a really rough time with Hakeem, Admiral, Thurmond, Wilt.... Those hyper athletic nimble and strong centers but you must be really **** good if you have to go to that level to find a matchup problem. Sheed and Timmy wouldve been hard matchups too

TroubleS0me · Post #231 » by **TroubleS0me** » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:53 am

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TroubleS0me · Post #232 » by **TroubleS0me** » Mon May 9, 2022 3:41 pm

MVP

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falcolombardi · Post #233 » by **falcolombardi** » Mon May 9, 2022 7:51 pm

completely deserved , what an awesome campaign

cpower · Post #234 » by **cpower** » Mon May 9, 2022 8:18 pm

well deserved , Embiid and Giannis had their chances but they could not win more games to close out the deal.

TroubleS0me · Post #235 » by **TroubleS0me** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:30 am

he earned it, he was the most consistent compared to Embiid & Giannis
from the beginning of the season until the end.

had the worse supporting case compared to Giannis & Embiid.

No Murray & Porter Jr.

Peregrine01 · Post #236 » by **Peregrine01** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:02 am

migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

Jokic has pretty much killed Gobert every time they matched up over the last two seasons. He just had a better 2P FG% season than Shaq ever did while having 1/10th the number of dunks.

falcolombardi · Post #237 » by **falcolombardi** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:06 am

Peregrine01 wrote:
migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

Jokic has pretty much killed Gobert every time they matched up over the last two seasons. He just had a better 2P FG% season than Shaq ever did while having 1/10th the number of dunks.

as great of a defender as gobert is, his body is not made to shut down great post players in isolation as much as it is made to defend the rim as a help defender

in some ways he is more made for the modern game than people think imo

70sFan · Post #238 » by **70sFan** » Tue May 10, 2022 8:58 am

falcolombardi wrote:
Peregrine01 wrote:
migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

Jokic has pretty much killed Gobert every time they matched up over the last two seasons. He just had a better 2P FG% season than Shaq ever did while having 1/10th the number of dunks.

as great of a defender as gobert is, his body is not made to shut down great post players in isolation as much as it is made to defend the rim as a help defender

in some ways he is more made for the modern game than people think imo

Yeah, Gobert is more like Mutombo than like Thurmond in the sense that he's the ultimate rim protector but he could be bullied under the basket (though it is overstated how much). Still, Mutombo had monstrous impact in his prime and I'd expect Gobert to do similary well.

70sFan · Post #239 » by **70sFan** » Tue May 10, 2022 9:05 am

Peregrine01 wrote:
migya wrote:He is great, but against a good big shotblocker he wouldn't score so easily near the basket. He got alot of lay ins this series against the Warriors.

Jokic has pretty much killed Gobert every time they matched up over the last two seasons. He just had a better 2P FG% season than Shaq ever did while having 1/10th the number of dunks.

Jazz went 4-1 in the last two seasons vs Denver, so I wouldn't say that Jokic killed Gobert.

Jokic took 13.8 2PA per game last season. Shaq never averaged as few attempts until 2008. It's not as easy as that.

Post #240 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue May 10, 2022 3:52 pm

GSP wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
70sFan wrote:He'd play differently against good big shotblocker. We've seen him against Gobert in the bubble and he was doing well.

I feel the only people Jokic has a bit more trouble against are people that are bulky too, but even then trouble is really relative

He absolute cooked Gobert and AD lol

Ayton gives him a lot of problems and he isn't bulky. IIRC Nikola even said he causes him the most issues

Read on Twitter

Jokic wouldve had a really rough time with Hakeem, Admiral, Thurmond, Wilt.... Those hyper athletic nimble and strong centers but you must be really **** good if you have to go to that level to find a matchup problem. Sheed and Timmy wouldve been hard matchups too

I think Ayton is pretty bulky compared to Gobert & AD, and think that Thurmond basically represents the ideal to try to stop him from going downhill - like he represents the ideal to stop big men interior scoring in general.

Wilt's in that category too, not all that sure about Hakeem & Robinson. With Robinson I think we saw how he could be bullied on both sides of the ball by someone like Karl Malone. You can argue Jokic couldn't do it like Malone, but Robinson is not my ideal for a super-strong big man.