Nikola Jokic wins MVP(again)

[eyeatoma]

Embiid: 37% USG rate
Jokic: 32% USG rate

Embiid: 45 wins
Jokic: 46 wins

I'll allow you to retract your statement about Jokic having higher usage.

Jokic didn't lose in the first round last year. Jokic lost to the WC Champs last year in the 2nd round, while missing his 2nd best player.

Embiid lost to the Hawks last year fully healthy.

Wanna talk about mediocre results?

Tear in the meniscus is fully healthy? Lol, keep making up your lies.

I'll allow you to retract your statement about Embiid being fully healthy.

Isn't he tearing something every POs?

He is, it's unfortunate, but we don't' have to lie saying he was fully healthy. He's not like AD and other players who can't play through their injuries. Dude is an absolute warrior.

[Cubbies2120]

They didn't need to be prophets. They just needed to look at the previous post season to see that his numbers weren't translating to real playoff wins.

But they should have voted for Embiid, whose team was beaten at the same stage of the playoffs last season by a much worse team? How does this make sense?

Narrative, Embiid went through far worse **** and drama than Jokic, and had an all-time season.

Far worse **** like throwing his teammate under the bus, while said teammate was battling back issues that eventually required surgery.

I would think that Embiid of all people would understand how serious some injuries can be, given that he sat out 2.5 of the first 3 seasons of his career...where was the sympathy ?

Poor Embiid, had to play a full 45 games without getting Harden :/

#FirstWorldProblems

[Bergmaniac]

They didn't need to be prophets. They just needed to look at the previous post season to see that his numbers weren't translating to real playoff wins.

But they should have voted for Embiid, whose team was beaten at the same stage of the playoffs last season by a much worse team? How does this make sense?

Narrative, Embiid went through far worse **** and drama than Jokic, and had an all-time season.

So you are saying that Embiid deserved the MVP because of the Ben Simmons media circus? Seriously?

[rapstarter]

And yes I think he would give the Warriors way more problems. Also, putting player x on team y and vice versa when both teams are specifically designed with players to be put around your skills doesn't work for your little soliloquy. Also if he wasn't a 6th seed he wouldn't have to play the Warriors, but the Nuggets were terrible and therefor had to play them.

And you don't understand how missing 60M of purposely-recruited talent in Murray and MPJ was a huge problem for the Nuggets? LOL

Also as others have already said, Embiid won fewer games than Jokic.

[Cubbies2120]

Tear in the meniscus is fully healthy? Lol, keep making up your lies.

I'll allow you to retract your statement about Embiid being fully healthy.

Isn't he tearing something every POs?

He is, it's unfortunate, but we don't' have to lie saying he was fully healthy. He's not like AD and other players who can't play through their injuries. Dude is an absolute warrior.

Is he? He's played in 50% of his career regular season games.

Ben Simmons needed back surgery and Sixers fans were trying to force him to play. Where's the same bloodthirst for Embiid to play?

[BelgradeNugget]

Being a first-round exit team in back-to-back season as the back-to-back MVP is just tragic. We knew the Nuggets were bad, so why give it to Jokic? The argument he made that team is good is nonsense. They got a gentlemen's sweep in the first round. How is that any good? Congratz you're the 16th best team out of 32. He took a bad team and made them average. Any superstar can do that. Embiid is still in the playoffs and we see how big his impact is. "oh but he has a great supporting cast, Jokic doesn't". The Sixers were down 0-2 with that great cast until Embiid played again and now we're questioning Miami because of Embiid. Are we going to give him the MVP next year too if the analytics say he's as good a defender as Embiid? He had the highest PER or top 3 ever. Boy did that turn into playoff wins. Ugh.

I didn't mind him winning it the first time. But being a back-to-back MVP is special. Going out of the first round and pretending it's "just a regular-season award" is bogus. Other factors play a part too such as playoff success or narrative. Winning back to back should always lead to some success in the playoffs. At least make it out of the first round. It diminishes the MVP even more because people will barely remember what season he had because he didn't even make it past April. Or they will remember it because of that fact. It's just tragic.

This makes my brain hurt. Embiid has better teammates and has faced worse opponents. You think he gets out of the first round if he played with Gordon and Barton and faced the Warriors?

He played in a tougher conference, so them being the 3rd seed compared to a weaker western conference as everyone alluded to should matter? Or doesn't it matter now? I'm getting confused.

And yes I think he would give the Warriors way more problems. Also, putting player x on team y and vice versa when both teams are specifically designed with players to be put around your skills doesn't work for your little soliloquy. Also if he wasn't a 6th seed he wouldn't have to play the Warriors, but the Nuggets were terrible and therefor had to play them.

How was east tougher this year, I don't know where did you get it. I know as Lakers fan you probably didn't follow NBA this season, but west was better again.

[bearadonisdna]

[url]k[/url]

Being a first-round exit team in back-to-back season as the back-to-back MVP is just tragic. We knew the Nuggets were bad, so why give it to Jokic? The argument he made that team is good is nonsense. They got a gentlemen's sweep in the first round. How is that any good? Congratz you're the 16th best team out of 32. He took a bad team and made them average. Any superstar can do that. Embiid is still in the playoffs and we see how big his impact is. "oh but he has a great supporting cast, Jokic doesn't". The Sixers were down 0-2 with that great cast until Embiid played again and now we're questioning Miami because of Embiid. Are we going to give him the MVP next year too if the analytics say he's as good a defender as Embiid? He had the highest PER or top 3 ever. Boy did that turn into playoff wins. Ugh.

I didn't mind him winning it the first time. But being a back-to-back MVP is special. Going out of the first round and pretending it's "just a regular-season award" is bogus. Other factors play a part too such as playoff success or narrative. Winning back to back should always lead to some success in the playoffs. At least make it out of the first round. It diminishes the MVP even more because people will barely remember what season he had because he didn't even make it past April. Or they will remember it because of that fact. It's just tragic.

Absolutely.
people want to nit pick stats but he essentially just stat padding on a non contender.
Now everything runs through him exponentially more, higher usage, remedial results in win loss column.
Basically rewarded the best player on a treadmill team,. its disgraceful.

Embiid: 37% USG rate
Jokic: 32% USG rate

Embiid: 45 wins
Jokic: 46 wins

I'll allow you to retract your statement about Jokic having higher usage.

Jokic didn't lose in the first round last year. Jokic lost to the WC Champs last year in the 2nd round, while missing his 2nd best player.

Embiid lost to the Hawks last year fully healthy.

Wanna talk about mediocre results?

Lol it was pretty clairvoyant to predict the nit picking of stats .
It’s sad to deflect to embiid.
The usage was in tone with him missing players , ex his point guard Murray, hello and his other top offensive option Porter Jr.
who when healthy wasn’t very good. 9 ppg in that area?
Players missing equals more usage .
Not embiid .

Wow. Stat padding on treadmill team you guys act like it’s a foreign concept .
Not at any point throughout the year could anybody feign an argument towards any viable contention for this team .

[eyeatoma]

Read on Twitter

Another former player. A well respected one as well.

[Hobo4President]

[url]k[/url]

Absolutely.
people want to nit pick stats but he essentially just stat padding on a non contender.
Now everything runs through him exponentially more, higher usage, remedial results in win loss column.
Basically rewarded the best player on a treadmill team,. its disgraceful.

Embiid: 37% USG rate
Jokic: 32% USG rate

Embiid: 45 wins
Jokic: 46 wins

I'll allow you to retract your statement about Jokic having higher usage.

Jokic didn't lose in the first round last year. Jokic lost to the WC Champs last year in the 2nd round, while missing his 2nd best player.

Embiid lost to the Hawks last year fully healthy.

Wanna talk about mediocre results?

Lol it was pretty clairvoyant to predict the nit picking of stats .
It’s sad to deflect to embiid.
The usage was in tone with him missing players , ex his point guard Murray, hello and his other top offensive option Porter Jr.
who when healthy wasn’t very good. 9 ppg in that area?
Players missing equals more usage .
Not embiid .

Wow. Stat padding on treadmill team you guys act like it’s a foreign concept .
Not at any point throughout the year could anybody feign an argument towards any viable contention for this team .

Wait you straight up just lied or were wrong and then got mad at someone calling you out? Lmaooo

[Bergmaniac]

Another former player. A well respected one as well.

In what universe is Stephen Jackson a well respected former player?

[rapstarter]

Stephen Jackson, Antoine Walker, Nick Wright. Phrase "clutching at straws" comes to mind

Who's next? Lavar Ball?

[Franco]

So you think Shaq and/or Kobe could have taken a team with Will Barton and Aaron Gordon as their next best options to the 2nd round?

I think MVP Shaq could very easily take Aaron Gordon and Will Barton to the second round, yes

Against these Warriors? Really?

Obviously. Prime Shaq was an absolute monster, who the hell could possibly beat him in 5 or swe-



... well that is awkward.

[Freighttrain]

This makes my brain hurt. Embiid has better teammates and has faced worse opponents. You think he gets out of the first round if he played with Gordon and Barton and faced the Warriors?

He played in a tougher conference, so them being the 3rd seed compared to a weaker western conference as everyone alluded to should matter? Or doesn't it matter now? I'm getting confused.

And yes I think he would give the Warriors way more problems. Also, putting player x on team y and vice versa when both teams are specifically designed with players to be put around your skills doesn't work for your little soliloquy. Also if he wasn't a 6th seed he wouldn't have to play the Warriors, but the Nuggets were terrible and therefor had to play them.

How was east tougher this year, I don't know where did you get it. I know as Lakers fan you probably didn't follow NBA this season, but west was better again.

Everything to protect your boy I guess

[BelgradeNugget]

Lol it was pretty clairvoyant to predict the nit picking of stats .
It’s sad to deflect to embiid.
The usage was in tone with him missing players , ex his point guard Murray, hello and his other top offensive option Porter Jr.
who when healthy wasn’t very good. 9 ppg in that area?
Players missing equals more usage .
Not embiid .

Wow. Stat padding on treadmill team you guys act like it’s a foreign concept .
Not at any point throughout the year could anybody feign an argument towards any viable contention for this team .

Man you are really angry Embiid didn't win right?. Relax, it will hurt less next day

[TheGOATRises007]

It's disgusting how little respect Jokic has from the NBA media.

Those fools are acting like he didn't have an all-time RS.

[Sharkboy242]

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Another former player. A well respected one as well.

damn bro I really thought you would come to accept the mvp results and leave it at that

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to see you all over this thread throwing the same tantrums you did all season

[eyeatoma]

Another former player. A well respected one as well.

In what universe is Stephen Jackson a well respected former player?

Media hates him, his peers love him.

[Cubbies2120]

Read on Twitter

Another former player. A well respected one as well.

A well respected one?

One of the only players ever that literally got run out of San Antonio.

We really reaching

[Freighttrain]

I think MVP Shaq could very easily take Aaron Gordon and Will Barton to the second round, yes

Against these Warriors? Really?

Obviously. Prime Shaq was an absolute monster, who the hell could possibly beat him in 5 or swe-



... well that is awkward.

Against these "Warriors". Why are you talking about them as if they're the Hampton 5 or their previous iteration in 2014-2016 with the death lineup with prime Iggy. Stop it. Their defense is miles away from the death line up and the Hampton 5 was the only juggernaut. This Golden State team is very good, but not great, let alone all time

[eyeatoma]

But they should have voted for Embiid, whose team was beaten at the same stage of the playoffs last season by a much worse team? How does this make sense?

Narrative, Embiid went through far worse **** and drama than Jokic, and had an all-time season.

Far worse **** like throwing his teammate under the bus, while said teammate was battling back issues that eventually required surgery.

I would think that Embiid of all people would understand how serious some injuries can be, given that he sat out 2.5 of the first 3 seasons of his career...where was the sympathy ?

Poor Embiid, had to play a full 45 games without getting Harden :/

#FirstWorldProblems

Lol your dedication to this false narrative is admirable. But you know what I gotta say?

it's your favorite line, rent free bro.