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[bwgood77]

Yeah it's a foul. I didn't say there was no contact. But to suggest he was trying to injure Morant by grabbing his knee is totally ridiculous to me. Everything looks worse in slow motion because you can be like at frame 25, it's at this exact point he thought hmmm I can gain an advantage for us and possibly for the series if I injure their star player, what can I do in this moment? Can I elbow him, can I step on his foot? Can I break his pinkie? No, I'll grab his knee for a split second yeah that's what I'll do.

I mean, that whole trap sequence was like 2 seconds long, there's no way a guy changes his thought from I need to step up to trap the ball handler, oh I see an an opportunity to injure and I need to go for it.

It's hard to say if it was on purpose. I don't think he was trying to injure him necessarily, but I do think in trying to impact the play, he grabbed his knee, which is a big no no. It is a little similar to unintentionally sliding your feet into someone's landing area. Don't do it, whether you meant to or not, because it can cause injury, like it did.

Sliding the foot under someone's landing zone is a big no-no because we've seen multiple injures come from it and it's something the league had looked into and made a specific rule against it. That's very clear. But the knee grab is imo incidental and no one really thinks a knee grab = injury. Unless you do jiujitsu or something and have trained this knee grab extensively at this specific angle, it's an entirely far fetched narrative. Not saying it couldn't injure but that's like saying you put your hands anywhere on someone's body, it *could* lead to an injury if so and so happened but it's basketball, there's going to be incidental contact.

I don't think it is as bad, but ankles and knees are the two most common injuries I think, and typically the most serious....perhaps hamstring, quad and some fingers are up there, but the ankles and knees are big.

To pull someone's knee seems bad to me...does this really not look intentional AT ALL to you?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XOfCBc1m-4c

[lilfishi22]

It's hard to say if it was on purpose. I don't think he was trying to injure him necessarily, but I do think in trying to impact the play, he grabbed his knee, which is a big no no. It is a little similar to unintentionally sliding your feet into someone's landing area. Don't do it, whether you meant to or not, because it can cause injury, like it did.

Sliding the foot under someone's landing zone is a big no-no because we've seen multiple injures come from it and it's something the league had looked into and made a specific rule against it. That's very clear. But the knee grab is imo incidental and no one really thinks a knee grab = injury. Unless you do jiujitsu or something and have trained this knee grab extensively at this specific angle, it's an entirely far fetched narrative. Not saying it couldn't injure but that's like saying you put your hands anywhere on someone's body, it *could* lead to an injury if so and so happened but it's basketball, there's going to be incidental contact.

I don't think it is as bad, but ankles and knees are the two most common injuries I think, and typically the most serious....perhaps hamstring, quad and some fingers are up there, but the ankles and knees are big.

To pull someone's knee seems bad to me...does this really not look intentional AT ALL to you?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XOfCBc1m-4c

1. Was there contact on the knee and was there even unconscious intent to grab it to gain some sort of advantage? Yes

2. Does grabbing the knee in that moment suggest he was trying to injure? No

3. What is the possibility in a trapping scenario that inadvertently grabbing a knee would cause an injury? Very very low

If you were to try and cause an injury, a deliberate injury, grabbing the knee just isn't at the top of my list. Injuries happen to all parts of the body and any contact could lead to some injury but the knee is strong and the suggestion that Poole had saw the opportunity and looked for a knee grab to injure is just too much for me. It would be like, yanking on someone's arm when battling for a rebound. Yeah, that could cause a shoulder, wrist or some kind of arm injury but no one is thinking in the heat of battling for a rebound that yanking the arm is the best way to cause an injury if that was the intent at all.

[lilfishi22]

Watch on YouTube

This is a good examination

[kennydorglas]

Ita pretty crazy people still find a way to say this wasn't intentional, especially considering GSW MO to hurt guys in purpose.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

In watching the clip, Poole clearly wasn't going for the ball as his hand wasn't anywhere near it. Instead he grabs his knee and pulls it towards him, whilst also simultaneously using his other hand ( on Morants' hip) to push Morant in the opposite direction of the direction he was pulling his knee. To me it's a dirty play, cleverly subtle but dirty none the less.

I don't see how anyone could legitimately think that was a play on the ball.

[lilfishi22]

Ita pretty crazy people still find a way to say this wasn't intentional, especially considering GSW MO to hurt guys in purpose.

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Intentional retaliation would be trucking some dude on a back screen, body checking a guy going up for a lay up or putting a foot on a shooter's landing zone, not a inadvertent grab of a knee in a trapping situation lol

The narratives people come up in their heads is hilarious

[kennydorglas]

Ita pretty crazy people still find a way to say this wasn't intentional, especially considering GSW MO to hurt guys in purpose.

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Intentional retaliation would be trucking some dude on a back screen, body checking a guy going up for a lay up or putting a foot on a shooter's landing zone, not a inadvertent grab of a knee in a trapping situation lol

The narratives people come up in their heads is hilarious

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[TeamTragic]

Warriors leave the bench - No problem
Mavericks leave the bench - FINED

Brooks hard foul on GP3 - EJECTION/SUSPENDED
Poole grabbing Morant"s knee - No big deal

[bwgood77]

Watch on YouTube

This is a good examination

Funny thing is the way he that pic shows it, it's funny how you see it appears he puts his left hand on the back to gain leverage to really get a good pull on the knee.

[bwgood77]

So far in this game, GS 1-16 from 3.

Zach Lowe once wrote how Memphis D is so interesting because they are the only team in the NBA that consciously closes out on shooters with both arms up, and it is effective.

They also have some solid defenders, some with length like JJJ, then you have Brooks, Bane, Anderson and then Clarke has that athleticism to really jump up or across the shooter.

[WeekapaugGroove]

It looks intentional but it's such a bizarre move it's hard to believe it was intentional. It's like lost his mind for a second.

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[kennydorglas]

Bane going MIA in this series is just ridiculous.

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[bwgood77]

Bane going MIA in this series is just ridiculous.

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First playoff jitters? Though I guess they were in them last year.

Pretty crazy they are 4-20 from 3 themselves, shooting 35% overall and winning.

[lilfishi22]

Watch on YouTube

This is a good examination

Funny thing is the way he that pic shows it, it's funny how you see it appears he puts his left hand on the back to gain leverage to really get a good pull on the knee.

That's my issue. You look at a painting or a photograph or in this case, a single frame of a video, it's a fraction of a second reflection of reality and because you have this image, you have all the time in the world interpret it the way that fits your understanding of the world or any prejudices or thoughts you had about the subjects. With famous paintings like the Mona Lisa for example, scholars and enthusiast have been looking and analysing for years, decades, sometimes centuries to try and understand what was going on in the Davinci's mind when he painted it and completely unintended narratives can come from that analysis period.

But if you take it all back to real time, within the context of the overall action, within the context of the 2 seconds a person has to react, do we truthfully believe that Poole purposefully and with ill-intent put his hands on Morant's back (to create leverage as you said) and simultaneously pulled his knee to get maximum amount of force possible in order to injure Morant? Now this is a guy who as I believe, has no history of being a dirty player, has no history of injuring other players and we are to believe that, in those two seconds, he saw an opportunity, figured out the best (and really only) way to cause injury to Ja?

And if I asked you, with only your bare hands, how would you injure someone's knee in 2 seconds? I'm pretty positive, it would not be this way because this was not an intentional dirty play, it was not a deliberate act to injure. To me, this was an aggressive trap by Poole and Wiggins and Poole may have been going to grab Morant to foul him in that moment but I don't see any intent to injure or do something dirty.

This goes back to my original issue with slow motion replays and what not, it always looks worse when slowed down because we have all the time in the world to place our own narratives into that scenario but in real time, nobody is processing the thought of I need to trap to I should hurt him to here's how I can best do it, all in a matter of seconds.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Seems every shooting guard struggles in their first playoffs except Michael Jordan. Bane also has a short reach so with increased defensive pressure he's going to have an adjustment to make, plus it's the GSW defense who rotate with size there's no escape.

[kennydorglas]

Bane going MIA in this series is just ridiculous.

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First playoff jitters? Though I guess they were in them last year.

Pretty crazy they are 4-20 from 3 themselves, shooting 35% overall and winning.

He made 27 3's against minny.
Not sure what's happening in this series

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[Mulhollanddrive]

This is the difficulty level to beat GSW - They've missed 26 threes and had 15 turnovers and they're down 1 with 5 minutes to go.

[starbosa10]

Missed FTs going to cost the Grizzlies

[Mulhollanddrive]

GSW remind me of the 96-98 Bulls they can miss a lot of shots but they just end up winning.

[starbosa10]

Grizzlies tried that Villanova title play but it was 100% not there lol forced it with 11 seconds left