Western Conference | Round 2 | (1) Phoenix Suns vs. (4) Dallas Mavericks (MAVS WIN 4-3)

[Mrakar]

Suns need to come out of locker room with attitude they had last year. They need to be up at least 10 in first half. Mavs got under their skins(refs helped last game, but you can influence that).
They need to be agresive, they need to take advantage of Mavs small ball lineups better.
Last two games they played like they already won it, or like they thought, lets cruise, we will get them in 4th.
If they wait untill 4th again, they will lose again...

[California Gold]

If CP has any heart, he'll use that anger that he had against the privileged, entitled Dallas kid on the court and close out the Mavs.

[LAL1947]

Somehow I doubt the opposing unruly fans of another team wanted to "hug" two women suns fans. And even if they did, keep your damn hands to yourself, trying to give "unwanted hugs" is no better than a creep at a club harassing a girl and getting handsy when she's clearly uncomfortable.

That "14 year old kid" is in college by the way, his insta handle is all over twitter. CP3 handled it just fine. He's protecting his family like a man is supposed to and remained a lot calmer than he could've been. Honestly a lot of players in his shoes, if a grown ass man (not a kid, gtfo) tried to put their hands on their wife or mother there would be no i'll see you later, it would've been i'll see you right now.

So far the only people i've seen defend this are mavs fans or dedicated CP3 haters. I'm not a fan of either team or a big CP3 fan, but every one of ya'll clowns know damn well how you would react if it were your wife or mother instead.

Finally an adult in the room

Are you two really going to double down on this? The TikTok video is quite revealing.

I'll wait to see if anything more develops before posting my final comment.

[LAL1947]

https://www.tiktok.com/@sp0rts_wrld/video/7095837473128893738?_t=8SBCSvuiW2k&_r=1

Looks like someone else (not the kid CP3 threatened) tapped someone from the family on the shoulder. Hate to post a tik-tok but this was being circulated on twitter.

Thanks for sharing!

[Mavrelous]

"He put his hand on my mom" = 10 years old tapping he from the back

Security + family of grown ups + group of 6+ ft athletes circle around a woman, a teenager and a kid.
Yeah, total victims...

[Bob8]

Somehow I doubt the opposing unruly fans of another team wanted to "hug" two women suns fans. And even if they did, keep your damn hands to yourself, trying to give "unwanted hugs" is no better than a creep at a club harassing a girl and getting handsy when she's clearly uncomfortable.

That "14 year old kid" is in college by the way, his insta handle is all over twitter. CP3 handled it just fine. He's protecting his family like a man is supposed to and remained a lot calmer than he could've been. Honestly a lot of players in his shoes, if a grown ass man (not a kid, gtfo) tried to put their hands on their wife or mother there would be no i'll see you later, it would've been i'll see you right now.

So far the only people i've seen defend this are mavs fans or dedicated CP3 haters. I'm not a fan of either team or a big CP3 fan, but every one of ya'll clowns know damn well how you would react if it were your wife or mother instead.

Finally an adult in the room

Well now I’ve seen the video (the Tik Tok above)… it was clearly the younger kid who was what, 10 years old? It doesn’t justify touching someone but if that’s what you’re getting angry over, then damn, they need to get out of their bubble.

I’m a CP3 fan but he needs to get his facts straight before accusing people of doing things. No wonder the kid looked so confused in the original videos.

I'm a little confused now. Is what we have saw on the video, really under definition putting a hand on someone? It looks like small kid tapped someone on the shoulder. Hardly aggressive act.

[Mavrelous]

Looks like the mom and 2 children come from a rich family, I doubt they'd want the bad publicity of taking local sports franchise + a big name athlete to court, but from the evidence we have, it's totally justified, if anyone was intimidated it was this family.

[Speadge]

How do you all know that's all what happened? From those few seconds of some random moment video

So far the only people i've seen defend this are mavs fans or dedicated CP3 haters.

No, not at all. I am Mavs fan and I don't really like CP3, but still ... harassing someone at the game is just wrong. If harassing happened there's nothing to justify that.

[Bob8]

How do you all know that's all what happened? From those few seconds of some random moment video

So far the only people i've seen defend this are mavs fans or dedicated CP3 haters.

No, not at all. I am Mavs fan and I don't really like CP3, but still ... harassing someone at the game is just wrong. If harassing happened there's nothing to justify that.

And we all agree about that. But what, if that was really the only thing that happened? CP3 was in very bad mood, because other things on the court, his reaction might be exaggerated because of that. Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?

[Speadge]

What if...
All what we have are harassing info from the media. All the rest are just speculations and guessing and there's absolutely no reason for us to interpret personal opinions based on those speculations like a fact or even blame CP3 and his family for doing something wrong in this case.

"Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?" - no, of course not, but what I notice is that based on alternative facts few of you have no problem to crucify potential victims of harassment in this case and that's simply not right thing to do.
We don't know so it is what it is. No need for us to make up stories in order to further victimize potential victims.

[jc23]

How do you all know that's all what happened? From those few seconds of some random moment video

So far the only people i've seen defend this are mavs fans or dedicated CP3 haters.

No, not at all. I am Mavs fan and I don't really like CP3, but still ... harassing someone at the game is just wrong. If harassing happened there's nothing to justify that.

And we all agree about that. But what, if that was really the only thing that happened? CP3 was in very bad mood, because other things on the court, his reaction might be exaggerated because of that. Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?

well he was in a bad mood, but according to his mom the kid was drunk and tapping her on the shoulder "happy mothers day" thoughout the game. she told him to stop and he did not. not sure why security took so long to intervene.

So in the end it wasnt as bad as our imaginations might have made it out to be but still the kid was being a dick and when you play stupid games you get stupid prizes.

[Bob8]

What if...
All what we have are harassing info from media. All the rest are just speculations and guessing and there's absolutely no reason for us to interpret personal opinions based on those speculations like a fact or even blame CP3 and his family for doing something wrong in this case.

"Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?" - no, of course not, but what I notice is that based on alternative facts few of you have no problem to crucify potential victims of harassment in this case and that's simply not right thing to do.

Look, CP3 was very explicit, putting a hand on someone, is very serious accusation. And we all agree that should be condemned. Problem is that evidence we have seen and family, which is accused, doesn't exactly look like typical aggressor, CP3 and his family should be afraid off. On videos, we have seen, the "aggressor" family members look afraid.

If CP3 is right and there was aggression on his family, all involved should be banned for a long time from all Nba arenas. If it wasn't a case, what then?

[Bob8]

How do you all know that's all what happened? From those few seconds of some random moment video


No, not at all. I am Mavs fan and I don't really like CP3, but still ... harassing someone at the game is just wrong. If harassing happened there's nothing to justify that.

And we all agree about that. But what, if that was really the only thing that happened? CP3 was in very bad mood, because other things on the court, his reaction might be exaggerated because of that. Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?

well he was in a bad mood, but according to his mom the kid was drunk and tapping her on the shoulder "happy mothers day" thoughout the game. she told him to stop and he did not. not sure why security took so long to intervene.

So in the end it wasnt as bad as our imaginations might have made it out to be but still the kid was being a dick and when you play stupid games you get stupid prizes.

On this video, the smaller kid is tapping on her shoulder. I kinda doubt he was drunk. It wasn't right for sure, but CP3 exaggerated situation too. It looks more like kids prank, than anything else.

[jc23]

And we all agree about that. But what, if that was really the only thing that happened? CP3 was in very bad mood, because other things on the court, his reaction might be exaggerated because of that. Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?

well he was in a bad mood, but according to his mom the kid was drunk and tapping her on the shoulder "happy mothers day" thoughout the game. she told him to stop and he did not. not sure why security took so long to intervene.

So in the end it wasnt as bad as our imaginations might have made it out to be but still the kid was being a dick and when you play stupid games you get stupid prizes.

On this video, the smaller kid is tapping on her shoulder. I kinda doubt he was drunk. It wasn't right for sure, but CP3 exaggerated situation too. It looks more like kids prank, than anything else.

just seen that, tells more of the story but still not the entire story. I do think its being blown out of proportion in the sense that saying "put hands on" indicates a much more aggressive act imo. Tapping someone is not bad in itself unless its something that was repeated over the course of the game. Still, keep your hands to yourself is not a hard concept to understand, even for a 14 year old.

[Speadge]

And we all agree about that. But what, if that was really the only thing that happened? CP3 was in very bad mood, because other things on the court, his reaction might be exaggerated because of that. Should this family be crucified, if it was really only this touch?

well he was in a bad mood, but according to his mom the kid was drunk and tapping her on the shoulder "happy mothers day" thoughout the game. she told him to stop and he did not. not sure why security took so long to intervene.

So in the end it wasnt as bad as our imaginations might have made it out to be but still the kid was being a dick and when you play stupid games you get stupid prizes.

On this video, the smaller kid is tapping on her shoulder. I kinda doubt he was drunk. It wasn't right for sure, but CP3 exaggerated situation too. It looks more like kids prank, than anything else.

What makes you think this random few seconds long video show exact moment decribed by CP3's family?

Problem is that evidence we have seen

Evidence? What evidence? Do we talk about the same random few seconds long video from a game which may be completely unrelated to the issue reported by CP3's family?

[dirkdiggler4177]

Are we seriously going to go on another 20 pager with people discussing who is wrong or right? Like make another thread. This happened in game 4, we heading into game 5. Nobody should care anymore.


Anyway, it will damn interesting to see how the Suns reponds. I have been saying it all year long during the regular season. If the Mavericks roleplayers hit their open 3 pointers they will win the game. There is no team that has been able to rotate fast enough on this Mav team. They only win against the Mavs because the gang could not hit open jumpers.


By the way, is it just me or does Booker sort of play like a empty stats guy. He get his shots and make them at a good rate, but he does not seem to get anyone involved or make you think "ohh no, the Mavs are doomed".

[Bob8]

well he was in a bad mood, but according to his mom the kid was drunk and tapping her on the shoulder "happy mothers day" thoughout the game. she told him to stop and he did not. not sure why security took so long to intervene.

So in the end it wasnt as bad as our imaginations might have made it out to be but still the kid was being a dick and when you play stupid games you get stupid prizes.

On this video, the smaller kid is tapping on her shoulder. I kinda doubt he was drunk. It wasn't right for sure, but CP3 exaggerated situation too. It looks more like kids prank, than anything else.

What makes you think this random few seconds long video show exact moment decribed by CP3's family?

Problem is that evidence we have seen

Evidence?

Because CP3 mother described exactly that, someone touching her shoulder. CP3 interpreted that as, putting a hand on his mother.

Yes evidence, in all videos we see 2 kids and their mother, alleged aggressors. So tell me, do you really believe CP3 group was afraid of them? Give me a break. Other evidence is CP3 threatening the kid, that he will wait outside for him.

Everything we know points out that CP3 exaggerated situation a lot.

[Bob8]

Are we seriously going to go on another 20 pager with people discussing who is wrong or right? Like make another thread. This happened in game 4, we heading into game 5. Nobody should care anymore.


Anyway, it will damn interesting to see how the Suns reponds. I have been saying it all year long during the regular season. If the Mavericks roleplayers hit their open 3 pointers they will win the game. There is no team that has been able to rotate fast enough on this Mav team. They only win against the Mavs because the gang could not hit open jumpers.


By the way, is it just me or does Booker sort of play like a empty stats guy. He get his shots and make them at a good rate, but he does not seem to get anyone involved or make you think "ohh no, the Mavs are doomed".

I believe all this whining about referring and CP3 story about assault on his family will produce very difficult environment for Mavs to win, with very small chance of normal referring. We will see aggressive Suns, aggressive fans and referees not whistle much against Suns. I wouldn't be too surprised Luka losing his temper and being ejected.

[Speadge]

No we don't. There's absolutely no way for you to know anything, so you made it up, because for some strange reason you prefer to enforce things based on your rich imagination above things involved people reported.
So now are two kids involved, right? You need new scenario to justify reported harassment from the one who was escorted out.

[Bob8]

No we don't. There's absolutely no way for you to know anything, so you made it up, because for some strange reason you prefer to enforce things based on your rich imagination above things involved people reported.
So now are two kids involved, right? You need new scenario to justify reported harassment from the one who was escorted out.

And what do you know for sure? Pissed off CP3, because fouling out, said someone was putting a hand on her mother. And alleged aggressors 2 kids and their mother? When I heard what happened, I was sure some drunk Mavs fans did something really stupid. But seeing that family and believe that CP3 group was afraid of them, make me believe something is off in that story. Seeing video with kid tapping someone's shoulder just made me believe even more than CP3 was exaggerating a lot.

I'm not 100% sure of course, but circumstances aren't exactly backing up that strong CP3's claim.

There were always 2 kids and their mother.