2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

DreamTeam09 · Post #1101 » by **DreamTeam09** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:40 pm

Scottie4Bro wrote:This package + the 11th pick is a nice swap for Fred that I think Masai would very much consider. Fair value all around.

Why would the Knicks trade the younger stud player + lottery pick for FVV

Would you do that if the Raps had 11 + RJ. The answer would be no

Asif16 · Post #1102 » by **Asif16** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:49 pm

Can ya'll stop with the Fred trade proposals. Just stop. The chances of Fred getting traded is close to zero. It's just not happening.

I'd much rather talk about realistic stuff

Asif16 · Post #1103 » by **Asif16** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:53 pm

TheBoi10 wrote:Windy saying Lavine is available, FVV S&T anyone

Prolly Gary if anything considering the Positions they play. Not to mention, with the way Gary's contract is set up...Gary's likely out within the next two years

Fred VanVleet
Zach Lavine
OG Anunoby
Pascal Siakam
Scottie Barnes

It's actually way more balanced because Lavine is more of a pure scorer and ball handler.

Kordic27 · Post #1104 » by **Kordic27** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:53 pm

Freddy is the soul and carries the identity of this team. He's worth way more to the Raptors than he would to anyone else. Can't trade him. Him and Barnes are basically untradeables imo.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1105 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:57 pm

TheBoi10 wrote:Windy saying Lavine is available, FVV S&T anyone

I'd be very surprised if he's on the block but if he is, I think a package of Lavine and Ball for two of Trent Jr, FVV and OG.

Ball, Lavine, Barnes, Siakam just needs a solid C to make us contenders.

I'd use the MLE on a PG/SG type... maybe like Shake Milton?
Re-sign Boucher
See if you can get a starting C and bench wing for Anunoby

HumbleRen · Post #1106 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:58 pm

Kordic27 wrote:Freddy is the soul and carries the identity of this team. He's worth way more to the Raptors than he would to anyone else. Can't trade him. Him and Barnes are basically untradeables imo.

We said this when Lowry left, team's culture has been just fine without him.

It'll be fine when FVV leaves as well lol.

Culture starts from the top down.

navyblue · Post #1107 » by **navyblue** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:00 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
TheBoi10 wrote:Windy saying Lavine is available, FVV S&T anyone

I'd be very surprised if he's on the block but if he is, I think a package of Lavine and Ball for two of Trent Jr, FVV and OG.

Ball, Lavine, Barnes, Siakam just needs a solid C to make us contenders.

I'd use the MLE on a PG/SG type... maybe like Shake Milton?
Re-sign Boucher
See if you can get a starting C and bench wing for Anunoby

Windy just speculating based on exit comments by lavine.

But it's just to pressure chi to give 5 year full max with no injury protection.
And the reason its not a forgone conclusion that Chicago offers 5 year full max is because of lavine knee issues.

Asif16 · Post #1108 » by **Asif16** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:00 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
TheBoi10 wrote:Windy saying Lavine is available, FVV S&T anyone

I'd be very surprised if he's on the block but if he is, I think a package of Lavine and Ball for two of Trent Jr, FVV and OG.

Ball, Lavine, Barnes, Siakam just needs a solid C to make us contenders.

I'd use the MLE on a PG/SG type... maybe like Shake Milton?
Re-sign Boucher
See if you can get a starting C and bench wing for Anunoby

Why are people on this board constantly living in Fantasy land. Why cant we discuss realistic scenarios

Rapsfan07 · Post #1109 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:04 pm

Asif16 wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
TheBoi10 wrote:Windy saying Lavine is available, FVV S&T anyone

I'd be very surprised if he's on the block but if he is, I think a package of Lavine and Ball for two of Trent Jr, FVV and OG.

Ball, Lavine, Barnes, Siakam just needs a solid C to make us contenders.

I'd use the MLE on a PG/SG type... maybe like Shake Milton?
Re-sign Boucher
See if you can get a starting C and bench wing for Anunoby

Why are people on this board constantly living in Fantasy land. Why cant we discuss realistic scenarios

Why? Because we're discussing trading Fred? lol I know people don't want to hear it but unless we get a superstar guard, we won't be winning anything with FVV as our starting PG. To think anything else is the real fantasy.

douggood · Post #1110 » by **douggood** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:09 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
I'd be very surprised if he's on the block but if he is, I think a package of Lavine and Ball for two of Trent Jr, FVV and OG.

Ball, Lavine, Barnes, Siakam just needs a solid C to make us contenders.

I'd use the MLE on a PG/SG type... maybe like Shake Milton?
Re-sign Boucher
See if you can get a starting C and bench wing for Anunoby

Why are people on this board constantly living in Fantasy land. Why cant we discuss realistic scenarios

Why? Because we're discussing trading Fred? lol I know people don't want to hear it but unless we get a superstar guard, we won't be winning anything with FVV as our starting PG. To think anything else is the real fantasy.

on one hand you disparage fvv but on the other hand propose a trade with him as if he has extremely high trade value. pick a lane.

TheBoi10 · Post #1111 » by **TheBoi10** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:24 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
I'd be very surprised if he's on the block but if he is, I think a package of Lavine and Ball for two of Trent Jr, FVV and OG.

Ball, Lavine, Barnes, Siakam just needs a solid C to make us contenders.

I'd use the MLE on a PG/SG type... maybe like Shake Milton?
Re-sign Boucher
See if you can get a starting C and bench wing for Anunoby

Why are people on this board constantly living in Fantasy land. Why cant we discuss realistic scenarios

Why? Because we're discussing trading Fred? lol I know people don't want to hear it but unless we get a superstar guard, we won't be winning anything with FVV as our starting PG. To think anything else is the real fantasy.

5'10'' injury prone guard that can't beat his own man (and was the one of the two worst qualified ISO players league-wide before getting hurt) and becomes a G-league caliber scorer as soon as a nagging injury drops barely NBA-caliber baseline athleticism. Boy I can't wait to pay him $30 mill+ per annum next summer :lol:

Kingsway_fan · Post #1112 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:29 pm

douggood wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Why are people on this board constantly living in Fantasy land. Why cant we discuss realistic scenarios

Why? Because we're discussing trading Fred? lol I know people don't want to hear it but unless we get a superstar guard, we won't be winning anything with FVV as our starting PG. To think anything else is the real fantasy.

on one hand you disparage fvv but on the other hand propose a trade with him as if he has extremely high trade value. pick a lane.

Lol, so true.

"FRED SUCKS" but let's trade him for a top 5 sg....

TheBoi10 · Post #1113 » by **TheBoi10** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:32 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:
douggood wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Why? Because we're discussing trading Fred? lol I know people don't want to hear it but unless we get a superstar guard, we won't be winning anything with FVV as our starting PG. To think anything else is the real fantasy.

on one hand you disparage fvv but on the other hand propose a trade with him as if he has extremely high trade value. pick a lane.

Lol, so true.

"FRED SUCKS" but let's trade him for a top 5 sg....

The top 5 SG is a FA, in S&Ts the return is a moot point.

Scottie4Bro · Post #1114 » by **Scottie4Bro** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:34 pm

Kingsway_fan wrote:
douggood wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:
Why? Because we're discussing trading Fred? lol I know people don't want to hear it but unless we get a superstar guard, we won't be winning anything with FVV as our starting PG. To think anything else is the real fantasy.

on one hand you disparage fvv but on the other hand propose a trade with him as if he has extremely high trade value. pick a lane.

Lol, so true.

"FRED SUCKS" but let's trade him for a top 5 sg....

S&T packages work a little differently bud, unless you think Precious had the same value as Lowry did. :lol:

This is what happens when you're desperate to make a counter-argument without thinking it through.

KL78192020 · Post #1115 » by **KL78192020** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:39 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Kordic27 wrote:Freddy is the soul and carries the identity of this team. He's worth way more to the Raptors than he would to anyone else. Can't trade him. Him and Barnes are basically untradeables imo.

We said this when Lowry left, team's culture has been just fine without him.

It'll be fine when FVV leaves as well lol.

Culture starts from the top down.

Kawhi had no soul, he's the only reason this team won anything lol. People over-rate all this other stuff way to much. Siakam should be higher in the pecking order on this team than FVV, he's far more useful to the style of play Nurse embraces.

Asif16 · Post #1116 » by **Asif16** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:41 pm

Some of ya'll are missing the point. It isn't about me not wanting Fred to be traded.

It's about Masai and the way he spoke highly of Fred and how he deems him as our leader, etc etc. He also said our core is staying intact.

So yes, these Fred trade Proposals are a waste. Only legit player who may be available for trade is Gary

KL78192020 · Post #1117 » by **KL78192020** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:43 pm

Asif16 wrote:Some of ya'll are missing the point. It isn't about me not wanting Fred to be traded.

It's about Masai and the way he spoke highly of Fred and how he deems him as our leader, etc etc. He also said our core is staying intact.

So yes, these Fred trade Proposals are a waste. Only legit player who may be available for trade is Gary

oh snap. Here all these people thought these posts on realgm were going to get results, lol dude who cares why you getting worked up. Its an internet forum.

Asif16 · Post #1118 » by **Asif16** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:43 pm

Can Khem Birch + Svi Mikhailuk + 2nd rd pick.....get us a rotational player of value?

What about Royce Oneal?

Asif16 · Post #1119 » by **Asif16** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:45 pm

KL78192020 wrote:
Asif16 wrote:Some of ya'll are missing the point. It isn't about me not wanting Fred to be traded.

It's about Masai and the way he spoke highly of Fred and how he deems him as our leader, etc etc. He also said our core is staying intact.

So yes, these Fred trade Proposals are a waste. Only legit player who may be available for trade is Gary

oh snap. Here all these people thought these posts on realgm were going to get results, lol dude who cares why you getting worked up. Its an internet forum.

A couple of Fred proposals here and there are fine. But people are pretending like there's a report out there from Woj stating that Fred is available or something. Seeing way to many proposals for a player that has very low chance of getting traded.

But fine, whatever suit ya'lls needs

StopitLeo · Post #1120 » by **StopitLeo** » Tue May 10, 2022 6:22 pm

agkagk wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
agkagk wrote:People, you have no clue how valuable an all star level point guard in his prime is—- this isn’t new. Point guard has always been the most important position

PG is not the most important position right now and hasn't been for some time.

I don’t want to say you’re wrong, but you’re wrong.

Tell me how many teams have won a championship without an elite floor general? — not saying they average 20 and 10, but elite at running a team.

The answer is zero.

You said point guard has always been the most important position. Now you're saying elite floor general, which is quite different since that doesn't have to be a point guard.