Value of Andrew Wiggins exp

[gswhoops]

I am personally in the “GSW doesn’t move anyone and just keeps paying insane taxes” camp but for poops & giggles:

GSW Out:
Wiggins
Wiseman
Moody
2022 #28, 2x2nds

Sac Out:
Barnes
Holmes
Mitchell
Holiday

I really don't see GS shipping out it's young players.

I mean, we're also getting back Davion Mitchell in this deal. I'd take this in a heartbeat but can't see Sacto being interested. Barnes is an adequate Wiggins replacement, and Holmes/Mitchell are huge upgrades at C and backup PG. Plus Holiday is a solid depth wing.

[FNQ]

Step one in a trade:

Meeting or exceeding the player's value to the current team

No one is going to do that for Wiggins. He's again stepped his defense up to the point where he was the #1 rated defender in terms of challenging shots from the SF position, player tracking loved him even more than that because of the amount of ground he covered and how good he was at it.. our perimeter defense has been Curry, Klay (off-ball btw, which hes awful at), Jordan Poole, Damion Lee, and at times, Gary Payton - who actually guarded SF/PF/Cs more than guards this season. And we still wound up with the best rated defense despite actually being 18th in defense for the 30+ game stretch where Draymond was out.

This guy is the one driving that value. Not only that, he had a TS% of just a shade under .600 when he was playing the SF position for us, and was just barely over .500 when he moved into the Draymond role defensively, with guys like OPJ and Kuminga trying to replace Dray offensively.

So one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, above average efficiency in his true position while scoring 19ppg.. he's the guy doing yeoman's work on the boards against the Nuggets and Grizzlies..

And W's fans want to trade him for guys like Evan Fournier, Harrison Barnes (who is not a replacement at all,what?), and a host of other stiffs (and also Davion Mitchell who doesnt deserve to be lumped in with those types, yet).

It's pretty surreal at this point. Wiggins is the 3rd best player on our team and is 26. Can't have that! He certainly wont be traded this offseason, especially not for backups where we constantly plug in league minimum players to eat minutes. But trading him opens a giant hole on our defense that no one is even close to being able to fill

[Commodor]

I really don't see GS shipping out it's young players.

Me neither but this saves a buck and brings in solid vets at positions of need.

I will say I would not hate Mitchell with the Poole-Curry-Klay guard platoon. He would fit with all three.

Sadly at the moment due to injury Klay is the weak link in that GS trio especially since he has to guard the bigger SFs

OK?

Still fits well with Mitchell and I mean more along the lines that Mitchell can play with any combo of them on the court. Not necessarily all 4 at once. Holiday, Barnes & eventually Kuminga would hold down the wing spots whenever possible.

Also did you see Klay block the hell out of Adams last night? Still getting into the swing of things but he is getting there.

[GunnerWRX]

Covington just signed 12 million contract and you think that the most athletic wing in the league will sign with less than double of that?
Wait till the playoffs end.
Don't be surprised, if Warriors win the title, that Wiggins will sign another max, with them or with another team.
I don't expect something less than 25 million per year anyway.

So, what do you suggest for Wiggins?
Trade him for a bag of potatoes? Nobody wants him.
Add Kuminga+Wiseman+multiple first round picks in a trade in order to get rid of him?
Give him a 10 million dollar contract?
It is obvious he is a bust.
He cannot score efficiently, cannot defend especially he is horrible in help defense, he has low IQ and does not contribute in winning games.
Or not?

You just said Wiggins is crap in another thread.

Here you say he will sign another max.

[SARGO127]

Wiggins for Fournier + Burks
Wiseman for Mitch S&T

[FNQ]

Wiggins for Fournier + Burks
Wiseman for Mitch S&T

Warriors cannot receive anyone in a S&T deal

[LightTheBeam]

I am personally in the “GSW doesn’t move anyone and just keeps paying insane taxes” camp but for poops & giggles:

GSW Out:
Wiggins
Wiseman
Moody
2022 #28, 2x2nds

Sac Out:
Barnes
Holmes
Mitchell
Holiday

I really don't see GS shipping out it's young players.

I cant see this for Sac.

Barnes > Wiggins
Mitchell > Moody

So really its Wiseman for Holmes as the value add for Sac? Especially considering we have Sabonis it just doesn't make sense.

Now if GS is just looking to pick up cheap depth, id do

Holmes, Harkless, Len, Holiday for Wiggins

Sac takes on that massive expiring and has a starting SF who played good defense with Mike Brown. Warriors grab a few expiring cheap wing/forwards and get a starting center until Wiseman comes along.

[Commodor]

I am personally in the “GSW doesn’t move anyone and just keeps paying insane taxes” camp but for poops & giggles:

GSW Out:
Wiggins
Wiseman
Moody
2022 #28, 2x2nds

Sac Out:
Barnes
Holmes
Mitchell
Holiday

I really don't see GS shipping out it's young players.

I cant see this for Sac.

Barnes > Wiggins
Mitchell > Moody

So really its Wiseman for Holmes as the value add for Sac? Especially considering we have Sabonis it just doesn't make sense.

Now if GS is just looking to pick up cheap depth, id do

Holmes, Harkless, Len, Holiday for Wiggins

Sac takes on that massive expiring and has a starting SF who played good defense with Mike Brown. Warriors grab a few expiring cheap wing/forwards and get a starting center until Wiseman comes along.

Honestly I don’t think Sac would do my deal either so no skin off my back. The thought would be Sac gets younger across the board and pick up draft capital In the process for Mitchell and a bunch of players that don’t really fit the Fox-Sabonis timeline.

As for your follow up proposal I don’t think GSW has any interest in those players. The only reason I see Wiggins actually moving is if GSW gets a long term cheap piece like Mitchell. The rest is all just salary filler.

[vagelis]

Covington just signed 12 million contract and you think that the most athletic wing in the league will sign with less than double of that?
Wait till the playoffs end.
Don't be surprised, if Warriors win the title, that Wiggins will sign another max, with them or with another team.
I don't expect something less than 25 million per year anyway.

So, what do you suggest for Wiggins?
Trade him for a bag of potatoes? Nobody wants him.
Add Kuminga+Wiseman+multiple first round picks in a trade in order to get rid of him?
Give him a 10 million dollar contract?
It is obvious he is a bust.
He cannot score efficiently, cannot defend especially he is horrible in help defense, he has low IQ and does not contribute in winning games.
Or not?

You just said Wiggins is crap in another thread.

Here you say he will sign another max.

Yes, you are right, I was not clear that what I said in the other thread was in order to sum up all the wrong opinions about Wiggins.

Wiggins plays winning basketball. He is as important as Green for Warriors defense, he guards efficiently 1-5(maybe the only player in the league who can do that) and remains a big scorer, even if Warriors don't utilize his full strengths and don't showcase him in offense after Thompson's return.
He already had 24ppg and 22ppg seasons with Timberwolves and he can do that again in any team which gives him the role.
He is better now than he was in the season that he averaged 24ppg.
If Warriors win the title I think he will resign with them with a good contract

[Bimbo_Coles]

I was originally flirting around with Wiggins deals that would enable us to break up his salary and keep the slots, but I am off that now.

If the Warriors manage to win a chip this year, there is no way they deal Wiggs. Future salary considerations aside, they can run it back next year with the exact same crew.

There is a chance that Wiggins accepts a more reasonable long-term salary (i.e. 20M / year) to stay in a role where he seems comfortable.

Alternatively, the Warriors can likely work out a S&T with whatever team takes him on, creating an exception that could be used for another mid-level salary contributor.

All of those scenarios are better than swapping Wiggs for a worse fit, and hurting our chances next year.

[Resistance]

I was originally flirting around with Wiggins deals that would enable us to break up his salary and keep the slots, but I am off that now.

If the Warriors manage to win a chip this year, there is no way they deal Wiggs. Future salary considerations aside, they can run it back next year with the exact same crew.

There is a chance that Wiggins accepts a more reasonable long-term salary (i.e. 20M / year) to stay in a role where he seems comfortable.

Alternatively, the Warriors can likely work out a S&T with whatever team takes him on, creating an exception that could be used for another mid-level salary contributor.

All of those scenarios are better than swapping Wiggs for a worse fit, and hurting our chances next year.

If the other team asks Golden State for two second round picks to do the Sign & Trade, do you have that as a reasonable ask?

[vagelis]

Wiggins will get another max from Warriors

[Resistance]

Wiggins will get another max from Warriors

Are they also going to keep Poole? If so, at what salary?

[vagelis]

Wiggins will get another max from Warriors

Are they also going to keep Poole? If so, at what salary?

The will prefer to keep Wiggins but they will try to keep both

[Resistance]

Wiggins will get another max from Warriors

Are they also going to keep Poole? If so, at what salary?

The will prefer to keep Wiggins but they will try to keep both

What is the ceiling - upper limit on what they will pay Poole?

[vagelis]

Are they also going to keep Poole? If so, at what salary?

The will prefer to keep Wiggins but they will try to keep both

What is the ceiling - upper limit on what they will pay Poole?

I don't know. Personally I value him at 20-25 million.
He may deserves more in a year though

[Resistance]

Went with $20 million for Poole.

Estimates for

* Poole
* Looney
* 2022 First
* 2023 First

Salary Cap -- $128,000,000.........Luxury Tax Line -- $155,000,000

Stephen Curry....................$51,915,615
Klay Thompson...................$43,219,440
Draymond Green.................$27,586,225
James Wiseman..................$12,119,440
Jonathan Kuminga.................$6,012,840
Moses Moody........................$3,918,480

2022 First..........................$2,400,000
2023 First..........................$2,400,000

Wiggins............................$38,400,000
Poole...............................$20,000,000
Looney...............................$7,000,000

Vet Minimum.......................$1,900,607
Vet Minimum.......................$1,900,607
Vet Minimum.......................$1,900,607

Rookie Minimum...................$1,053,543
_________________________________________
....................................$221,727,404

Luxury Tax Calculator

Repeater

Salary.....................$221,727,404
Taxable Amount..........$66,727,404
Tax........................$384,728,487
Salary Plus Tax..........$606,455,891


That is quite a bit of money.

[zimpy27]

Wiggins will get another max from Warriors

A max for Wiggins is 4 years $170m.. starting at $40m a year.

That would be a mistake, he's really worth a little more than half of a max. 4 years at $110m.

[vagelis]

Wiggins will get another max from Warriors

A max for Wiggins is 4 years $170m.. starting at $40m a year.

That would be a mistake, he's really worth a little more than half of a max. 4 years at $110m.

yes, 40m is a lot of money, not good for the team.
If he gets the same contract that he currently has at 30m will be good for both sides

[babyjax13]

I think that most of the offers here are falling pretty short.