Round 2, Game 5 - Bucks at Celtics - 5/11/22 - 6:00 - TNT

The Wet Whistle · Post #41 » by **The Wet Whistle** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:18 pm

Idk, as sad as it is to say, I felt like Hill was our third best player yesterday behind Giannis & Wes. Everyone else was a disaster

Profound23 · Post #42 » by **Profound23** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:19 pm

I miss PJ

Post #43 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:28 pm

Eh, Tucker wouldn't have made a difference. He's looked pretty washed against Philly. He runs around out there like Thanasis so it looks like he's doing something, gets frustrated and commits dumb fouls.

rilamann · Post #44 » by **rilamann** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:30 pm

Profound23 wrote:I miss PJ

PJ last night when we were up 10 with 2 minutes to go in the 4th, if he was still on the team: BURY THESE MOTHER ****!!!!! WE DOGS!!!! Meanwhile we got Bobby and Grayson out there looking like they're about to **** themselves

And not a chance in hell Horford hits Giannis with that elbow (which was 100% intentional) if PJ is on the team.

People who bring up stats in regard to PJ are clueless to the value he brought to the team.

Maybe PJ didn't want to stay here,but holy **** do we miss his intangibles.

rilamann · Post #45 » by **rilamann** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:36 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Eh, Tucker wouldn't have made a difference. He's looked pretty washed against Philly. He runs around out there like Thanasis so it looks like he's doing something, gets frustrated and commits dumb fouls.

Except PJ would commit 10 dumb fouls a game and only get called for 3 or 4 because of his defensive reputation, we really miss that in this series.

Milbucks96 · Post #46 » by **Milbucks96** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:37 pm

The Wet Whistle wrote:Idk, as sad as it is to say, I felt like Hill was our third best player yesterday behind Giannis & Wes. Everyone else was a disaster

If Carter had the exact same game, the board would’ve exploded with happiness. He did his job on both ends.

Antinomy · Post #47 » by **Antinomy** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:40 pm

Why the hell was Hill out there instead of Pat?

Matter of fact, why was Brook still in after Horford scored his 100th point of the quarter?

CharityStripe34 · Post #48 » by **CharityStripe34** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:46 pm

Gianni and Jrue really need to start trusting Allen, Pat and Bobby more often. Chuck was on point last night about giving the roleplayers a chance and spreading the wealth. Freak was gassed mid-way through the 4th and Jrue for whatever reason dribbles into harder shots than the initial ones he gets. Put Game 1 and the third-quarters of Games 3 & 4 on a loop and show them how much easier things can be if the ball moves.

Plossum · Post #49 » by **Plossum** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:21 pm

Keep doing what we're doing on D. I think we just need to ride the variance gauntlet and hope Horford's hot streak doesn't continue.

On offence we've got to diversify our options a bit to get the others involved. But doing this means Bobby and Grayson in particular need to step up. They've haven't been up to it so far.

blazza18 · Post #50 » by **blazza18** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:29 pm

We've got to figure out a way to save Giannis a bit until the end. It's the same story every playoff game but role players need to stand up, we've gotta hope Jrue gets lucky at this point and hopefully we're hanging around so Giannis can carry us home in the fourth.

Also think we have to make Horford uncomfortable on offense. Get into him a little and make him feel us.

Profound23 · Post #51 » by **Profound23** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:52 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Eh, Tucker wouldn't have made a difference. He's looked pretty washed against Philly. He runs around out there like Thanasis so it looks like he's doing something, gets frustrated and commits dumb fouls.

Not sure if it would have made a difference, I just miss him.

If nothing else he could offset this Marcus Smart and Grant Williams BS. Oh we flopping? Ok...let's play the flopping game.

As much as I hate it, if you can't stop the flopping, might as well benefit from it and Tucker was great at it.

fan230 · Post #52 » by **fan230** » Wed May 11, 2022 12:17 am

fabio wrote:Unleash Luca

Now seriously, perhaps not the time. Maybe. But with George Hill coming from an injury and playing like... he's coming from an injury, I doubt Luca will do worse than him. And I love GH, but he can't add much now, and he's risking get a worse injury.

I think we have to think out of the box now. Either have Giannis as a facilitator or try Luca for some time at least. If Bud has the courage to do this, this is the ideal game to try. I have little faith in Jrue as a facilitator and without a facilitator, our 3 point shooting is unlikely to improve much, and without that shooting, we will lose

Baddy Chuck · Post #53 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Wed May 11, 2022 12:34 am

PJ wouldn't have made a difference like Giannis dropping 40 or Al Horford taking over a fourth quarter but it's honestly pretty disingenuous drivel to act like he wouldn't be out there 20+ minutes a night making life harder on the opponent and knocking down some shots like a Wes Matthews or Grant Williams.

rilamann · Post #54 » by **rilamann** » Wed May 11, 2022 12:39 am

Hilarious that people think PJ wouldn't have made a positive difference in this series vs Boston and really, all season for us.

Ironically, if the Bucks don't win tomorrow, we're going to find out pretty quick what kind of impact PJ would have against this Boston team.

greekbuck34 · Post #55 » by **greekbuck34** » Wed May 11, 2022 12:47 am

blazza18 wrote:We've got to figure out a way to save Giannis a bit until the end. It's the same story every playoff game but role players need to stand up, we've gotta hope Jrue gets lucky at this point and hopefully we're hanging around so Giannis can carry us home in the fourth.

Also think we have to make Horford uncomfortable on offense. Get into him a little and make him feel us.

If Giannis is semi-passive and Boston builds a lead in the first half it's still pretty bad for us if not worse than trying to hold a lead during the 4th. I don't know what we have to do for him to conserve energy while he is playing unless they double team him hard at the post ofc.

We can't make Holford uncomfortable on offense. He won the battle since he is shooting better than Curry, Giannis has to close out on him hard so just by his mere prencence he takes our best rebounder and rim protector away from the paint and makes their offense easier for the other Celtics.

Bobby and Lopez can't do the same this series.

I think we should just say screw it and shoot 50 3s tomorrow. Giannis screens to Allen, Pat, Bobby, Jrue, Wes and pullup js until they stop denying him the ball as a roller to the rim.

BigO · Post #56 » by **BigO** » Wed May 11, 2022 12:48 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Eh, Tucker wouldn't have made a difference. He's looked pretty washed against Philly. He runs around out there like Thanasis so it looks like he's doing something, gets frustrated and commits dumb fouls.

You picked a game or two to decide he's washed. He had a fantastic season and tonight at half he has 8 points and 5 rebounds plus stifling defense. It's ironic because the Heat have several "dogs" on their team and don't need PJ like the Bucks do.

BigO · Post #57 » by **BigO** » Wed May 11, 2022 12:53 am

fan230 wrote:
fabio wrote:Unleash Luca

Now seriously, perhaps not the time. Maybe. But with George Hill coming from an injury and playing like... he's coming from an injury, I doubt Luca will do worse than him. And I love GH, but he can't add much now, and he's risking get a worse injury.

I think we have to think out of the box now. Either have Giannis as a facilitator or try Luca for some time at least. If Bud has the courage to do this, this is the ideal game to try. I have little faith in Jrue as a facilitator and without a facilitator, our 3 point shooting is unlikely to improve much, and without that shooting, we will lose

Luca playing is as likely as Bud listening to me on strategy.

Bud loves his veterans (I know Luca is old). What other team would have Matthews and Hill as high minute guys? Bud is slow to change and especially when he is under the gun, he will stay at his comfort level. The only way he changes is if some of the vets go to him and suggest some changes, like PJ did last playoffs.

ShootingtheJ · Post #58 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed May 11, 2022 1:03 am

rilamann wrote:
Profound23 wrote:I miss PJ

PJ last night when we were up 10 with 2 minutes to go in the 4th, if he was still on the team: BURY THESE MOTHER ****!!!!! WE DOGS!!!! Meanwhile we got Bobby and Grayson out there looking like they're about to **** themselves

And not a chance in hell Horford hits Giannis with that elbow (which was 100% intentional) if PJ is on the team.

People who bring up stats in regard to PJ are clueless to the value he brought to the team.

Maybe PJ didn't want to stay here,but holy **** do we miss his intangibles.

Hilarious. PJ was all bark, no bite. KD didn't look too scared of him.

Horfords elbow was unintentional. Don't know how you scare someone in to not elbowing unintentionally.

ShootingtheJ · Post #59 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Wed May 11, 2022 1:08 am

BigO wrote:
fan230 wrote:
fabio wrote:Unleash Luca

Now seriously, perhaps not the time. Maybe. But with George Hill coming from an injury and playing like... he's coming from an injury, I doubt Luca will do worse than him. And I love GH, but he can't add much now, and he's risking get a worse injury.

I think we have to think out of the box now. Either have Giannis as a facilitator or try Luca for some time at least. If Bud has the courage to do this, this is the ideal game to try. I have little faith in Jrue as a facilitator and without a facilitator, our 3 point shooting is unlikely to improve much, and without that shooting, we will lose

Luca playing is as likely as Bud listening to me on strategy.

Bud loves his veterans (I know Luca is old). What other team would have Matthews and Hill as high minute guys? Bud is slow to change and especially when he is under the gun, he will stay at his comfort level. The only way he changes is if some of the vets go to him and suggest some changes, like PJ did last playoffs.

Every team would have Wes playing huge minutes when he defends like this.

Bucks have the best defense in the playoffs, despite last game, and it's not close. Why doesn't PJ teach the Heat to be the top defense?

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #60 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Wed May 11, 2022 1:22 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Eh, Tucker wouldn't have made a difference. He's looked pretty washed against Philly. He runs around out there like Thanasis so it looks like he's doing something, gets frustrated and commits dumb fouls.

I was a PJ hater and against resigning him. That said, this PJ would've helped. At age 37, he not only didn't regress but has gotten better on offensive having a career year and so much better on offense than he ever showed last year.

The unanswered question is if we resigned him, would we have gotten this PJ? Maybe it's the cocktails in Miami, maybe it was the feeling of him being scorned and underappreciated, or maybe it's just he was.never fully healthy last year. I have no issues with the bucks thinking tucker was 6 months away from falling off the NBA cliff. I sure thought he was headed in that direction.