What's going on in San Antonio?

[floppymoose]

I've quickly looked at two demographics stat based websites online. That claim doesn't seem to be accurate, unless im missing something?
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanantoniocitytexas
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/san-antonio-tx-population

White and Hispanic overlap in those figures. Basically, SA is majority Hispanic/Latino.

[Bornstellar]

That letter would have me worried if I'm a Spurs fan. I on Sirius XM's NBA Channel many months ago former Spur Antonio Daniels was on there saying how they could've easily had Lauri Marrkanen in the Bulls/DeRozen deal but didn't want to pay him as he was due for an extension. And also how they really haven't really paid anyone since Duncan, Parker, Ginobli left and those guys always took team friendly discounts. Antonio said they need to change up and get with the times soon or could slip away

where do i even start...


Why would we want to overpay for Lauri? Spurs took Young instead and flipped him for a first rounder and preserved max cap space this summer. It's not like the Spurs passed up an impact player. Non issue.

I like Antonio Daniels and all but let's not pretend he's plugged into the franchise because he played here a couple seasons two decades ago. The point about not paying guys is just flat out wrong. Max contract for FA Aldridge (even guaranteed his salary when they didn't have to), max extension for Leonard (at the time), overpaid Gasol as a thanks for opting out of his deal, overpaid Rudy Gay, overpaid Patty Mills, overpaid Derrick White, overpaid McDermott. Spurs got lucky with Murray and Poeltl.

The Spurs are pretty loyal to their guys. And I'm sure most players know this. This playing 2 games away from home is a complete nothingburger

[bbalnation]

I've quickly looked at two demographics stat based websites online. That claim doesn't seem to be accurate, unless im missing something?
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/sanantoniocitytexas
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/san-antonio-tx-population

White and Hispanic overlap in those figures. Basically, SA is majority Hispanic/Latino.

Yeesh. These are 2022 government census surveys. In this data and government reporting, LatinX communities aren't mentioned, despite being the majority; and are reported as White (white-facing & white-identifying being different imo).

Thanks for clarifying. We move forward.

[Bornstellar]

And as a San Antonian, and I'm sure the rest can confirm, yes we are a predominantly Hispanic city. Not sure why that's a discussion in this thread it's why we have such damn good food here

[JulesWinnfield]

When I was a kid I seemed to remember the Celtics playing a few home games a year in Hartford Ct. I remember the Packers would play a home game every year in Madison Wisconsin. There are probably more examples I’m missing. No one thought the Celtics or Packers were moving, it was always more about expanding the fan base in the region. We seem to see that less nowadays. I have no read on their owners intentions here, but just felt compelled the mention these past examples

[Scottie4Bro]

Yeah I fixed it. San Antonio is a minority majority city by the way.

"minority majority city"

I love the loopholes idiots have to do these days to still make sure non-whites feel special and like an underdog, even in places where they outnumber whites lol

You are right. I don't know why people in South Africa complain about racial discrimination against the blacks when they outnumber whites 9 to 1 /s

ah yes, I forgot all about the apartheid in San Antonio, thank you for that reminder

you people are clowns

Warned for baiting, derailing topic

[California Gold]

Even as much tech as Austin has, it’s still not quite Silicon Valley territory and a long ways off. Still though, the growth is impressive. Mostly with Tesla and Oracle being HQ’d there, that’ll definitely attract some talent.

A big part of SV creation/success was the CA investment in education in the 60's. We are largely coasting off of momentum now.

Companies are moving to TX for the tax breaks, but if you spend the tax dollars right you are actually better off being taxed. That's how the education system that spawned SV happened to start with.

The current situation feels like a race to the bottom to me with no one thinking about the future.

Perhaps but SV is too big to be replicated anywhere else (at least anytime soon) and that's with the "boom" in places like Seattle, NY, Boston, etc for startups and their respective tech scene. The smaller companies that continue to innovate are what will drive that industry IMO (I might be biased though )

[G35]

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The team is requesting to play more games in Austin and Mexico and it seems to be creating some weird vibes in SA? Usually letters like this are signs that a move is coming in the next couple years. Austin is a big time up and coming city and I could it see it being a much more appealing market than SA

They don't have a Tim Duncan or David Robinson and they realize that it is going to be hard as hell to field a competitive team and he is getting out while the gettings good.....

[G R E Y]

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The team is requesting to play more games in Austin and Mexico and it seems to be creating some weird vibes in SA? Usually letters like this are signs that a move is coming in the next couple years. Austin is a big time up and coming city and I could it see it being a much more appealing market than SA

They don't have a Tim Duncan or David Robinson and they realize that it is going to be hard as hell to field a competitive team and he is getting out while the gettings good.....

When you don't bother reading the thread for some insight and comment on a team in year one of a rebuild for the first time in over twenty years...

[lakerz12]

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The team is requesting to play more games in Austin and Mexico and it seems to be creating some weird vibes in SA? Usually letters like this are signs that a move is coming in the next couple years. Austin is a big time up and coming city and I could it see it being a much more appealing market than SA

Why exactly is Austin more appealing?

San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation.

I know Austin is the sexier city, but economically
I doubt it’s more appealing to a team owner.

[floppymoose]

Yeesh. These are 2022 government census surveys. In this data and government reporting, LatinX communities aren't mentioned, despite being the majority; and are reported as White (white-facing & white-identifying being different imo).

But they are reported. That is how I knew. You just need to read the data properly.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Austin is becoming a tech hub, owners are watching the bay spoiling the Dubs rotten and want some.

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Musk is basically making Austin his headquarters. I wouldn't be surprised if they surpass Dallas within 15 years. I don't get why it isn't discussed more as an expansion market. It doesn't have the gambling appeal of Vegas but it has everything else
Could see the Spurs try a true hybrid market like GS with SF/Oakland but they aren't quite close enough

Austin added 45,000 people this year and Dallas added 91,000.

Dallas is 169% larger and adding twice as many people.

Austin isn't discussed as an NBA expansion market for the same reason Anaheim or San Jose aren't. There's no sense in packing in NBA teams right next to each other unless it's LA or NY.

[Optimus_Steel]

Even as much tech as Austin has, it’s still not quite Silicon Valley territory and a long ways off. Still though, the growth is impressive. Mostly with Tesla and Oracle being HQ’d there, that’ll definitely attract some talent.

A big part of SV creation/success was the CA investment in education in the 60's. We are largely coasting off of momentum now.

Companies are moving to TX for the tax breaks, but if you spend the tax dollars right you are actually better off being taxed. That's how the education system that spawned SV happened to start with.

The current situation feels like a race to the bottom to me with no one thinking about the future.

Thank you for mentioning this. Feels like no one ever makes this point. Public investments made in education decades ago is what set the stage for Silicon valley to become Silicon Valley. I completely agree that these companies moving around for tax breaks is a completely short sighted race to the bottom (not only for the companies but also for the community and society). The cities offering these tax breaks to entice these companies will find out that those same companies will drop them in a hurry when another city offers a sweeter pot. They often fail to invest in the infrastructure needed for long term prosperity, like education until it's too late.

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[Bornstellar]

Austin is honestly kinda gross though. At least to me. Every time I go up there I'm reminded of why I havent been in awhile

[SearsTower]

I actually think these sorts of things are shrewd business decisions. Assuming you aren't moving the team permanently, why not play a handful of games around your state in neutral cities? If I lived in Austin and was torn between rooting for the Spurs, Rockets, or Mavs, I'd probably be more likely to become a full on Spurs fan if they come to my city and play a handful of times a year.

[FeatheryTouch]

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The team is requesting to play more games in Austin and Mexico and it seems to be creating some weird vibes in SA? Usually letters like this are signs that a move is coming in the next couple years. Austin is a big time up and coming city and I could it see it being a much more appealing market than SA

Why exactly is Austin more appealing?

San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation.

I know Austin is the sexier city, but economically
I doubt it’s more appealing to a team owner.

That #7 ranking is just counting populations within city limits, if you rank metropolitan area populations then San Antonio falls way down the list and is one of the smallest NBA markets.

[bbalnation]

Yeesh. These are 2022 government census surveys. In this data and government reporting, LatinX communities aren't mentioned, despite being the majority; and are reported as White (white-facing & white-identifying being different imo).

But they are reported. That is how I knew. You just need to read the data properly.

It looks like I wasn't the only one.

I'll continue to improve my ability to understand data more accurately.

Other stat-driven websites also reported San Antonio communities as ~80% White (ie the second link i initially posted.. and many more).

[KingFox]

Austin is becoming a tech hub, owners are watching the bay spoiling the Dubs rotten and want some.

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And losing great home court advantage because of it. That Oakland crowd was top tier smh

[dirkdiggler4177]

Doesn't the Spurs have a big, solid, and returning fanbase (like, they will support their teams through bad times more than other teams)?

[LAL1947]

I kid, i know it's a typo for "while".

Yeah I fixed it. San Antonio is a minority majority city by the way.

"minority majority city"

I love the loopholes idiots have to do these days to still make sure non-whites feel special and like an underdog, even in places where they outnumber whites lol

That "minority, majority, minority" thing is also kinda funny if you consider that whites are among the minority in the global population.

I don't have a quotable source (for obvious reasons, all of the recording/reporting is controlled now), but these are approximations based on reading various sources over time.

Asian 60%
- East Asian 23% (China, Korea, Mongolia, Japan)
- South Asian 21% (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal)
- Southeast Asian 8% (Cambodia, Burma, Philippines, Malaysia)
- Middle Eastern 8%
Black 20%
White 10%
Hispanic 10%