2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[agkagk]

Any LeBron led team, the Warriors, the Spurs, Jordan's Bulls.

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

Teams with talent with lol. Lowry would be nothing without Kawhi/Siakam. Rondo would be nothing without KG/Allen/Pierce.

Shocking teams need to be talented in many positions to win not just PG.

Lmfao wow you got me.

Let’s just trade Fred for the 11th pick already and be done with it.

[sogood]

ok rewrite the narrative all you want -- in the history of the nba, name the championship team that didnt have an elite floor general as their point guard.

From lowry to kyrie irving to rajon rondo to derek freaking fisher....blah blah blah blah dumbasses.....

Any LeBron led team, the Warriors, the Spurs, Jordan's Bulls.

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

[DreamTeam09]

Spoiler:

Does Birch + Flynn + Svi for Duncan Robinson work on trade checker?

Why would we willingly trade for one of the worst contracts in the league? He’s essentially Matt Thomas on a star player contract lol

If Matt Thomas was 6'7 he would still be on this team instead of Svi.

15mill on Duncan Robinson is better than 10mill for Birch + Flynn + SVi

[alpngso]

Spoiler:

Does Birch + Flynn + Svi for Duncan Robinson work on trade checker?

Why would we willingly trade for one of the worst contracts in the league? He’s essentially Matt Thomas on a star player contract lol

If Matt Thomas was 6'7 he would still be on this team instead of Svi.

15mill on Duncan Robinson is better than 10mill for Birch + Flynn + SVi

sir that would be 17, 18, 19, 20 mil of Robinson for rest of his 4 years on the contract. not 15 mil

[DreamTeam09]

Spoiler:

Why would we willingly trade for one of the worst contracts in the league? He’s essentially Matt Thomas on a star player contract lol

If Matt Thomas was 6'7 he would still be on this team instead of Svi.

15mill on Duncan Robinson is better than 10mill for Birch + Flynn + SVi

sir that would be 17, 18, 19, 20 mil of Robinson for rest of his 4 years on the contract. not 15 mil

Mabad, I didn't know it was that bad

[agkagk]

Any LeBron led team, the Warriors, the Spurs, Jordan's Bulls.

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

Garland, Murray, ball, shai, jrue, probably more effective then dame.

You literally sound like ignorant American fans from years ago that only watch highlights on espn.

Im also going to assume counting with your fingers is tough for you since counting how many point guards make the all star game is apparently over your head.

Way to interpret friend.

[Scottie4Bro]

FVV & #33 pick for S&T Nurkic and the #6 pick.

Portland commits to small ball and gets an elite backcourt they can build around for a deep playoff run. Raptors get the big C they need and pickup Sharpe to be their SG of the future.

Fred is a bad fit next to Dame. He’s also not worth the 6th pick anyways

Pretty sure the only way we can get the Portland pick is using Pascal or maybe OG

Interesting. I have FVV's value at around the 8th or 9th pick in this draft. I agree he’s not worth the 6th pick, but the 11th pick seems light.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for the 6th pick in this draft. OG I probably wouldn't trade either.

I mean, love him or hate him, Fred IS a bonafide All-Star and played like one leading up to the ASG. This draft isn't really all that deep compared to last year, it's around an average draft, and these kinds usually pump out 3-4 all-stars at most. That's 4 players out of 60 panning out to be at least as effective as FVV is right now.

I'd say the #6 pick is absolutely fair value for him.

[Bruin]

Fred is a bad fit next to Dame. He’s also not worth the 6th pick anyways

Pretty sure the only way we can get the Portland pick is using Pascal or maybe OG

Interesting. I have FVV's value at around the 8th or 9th pick in this draft. I agree he’s not worth the 6th pick, but the 11th pick seems light.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for the 6th pick in this draft. OG I probably wouldn't trade either.

I mean, love him or hate him, Fred IS a bonafide All-Star and played like one leading up to the ASG. This draft isn't really all that deep compared to last year, it's around an average draft, and these kinds usually pump out 3-4 all-stars at most. That's 4 players out of 60 panning out to be at least as effective as FVV is right now.

I'd say the #6 pick is absolutely fair value for him.

In terms of value I see how you could make a case. But not the fit. It would need to be a 3 team deal if anything. Portland needs a wing star. Not another PG

[Scottie4Bro]

Interesting. I have FVV's value at around the 8th or 9th pick in this draft. I agree he’s not worth the 6th pick, but the 11th pick seems light.

I wouldn't trade Siakam for the 6th pick in this draft. OG I probably wouldn't trade either.

I mean, love him or hate him, Fred IS a bonafide All-Star and played like one leading up to the ASG. This draft isn't really all that deep compared to last year, it's around an average draft, and these kinds usually pump out 3-4 all-stars at most. That's 4 players out of 60 panning out to be at least as effective as FVV is right now.

I'd say the #6 pick is absolutely fair value for him.

In terms of value I see how you could make a case. But not the fit. It would need to be a 3 team deal if anything. Portland needs a wing star. Not another PG

Yeah, maybe. If it was Siakam going the other way there would of course need to be more included coming our way for it to make sense, and then you'd have to go all-in on Fred being the leader and playing alongside Scottie. I think at that point you'd have to convince Freddie to play more off-ball with Scottie having more ball-handling opportunities than last year. Could work out.

I don't know if a tandem of Lillard and Siakam is a real contender, but I'm sure it would be their strongest playoff team in years.

[Bruin]

I mean, love him or hate him, Fred IS a bonafide All-Star and played like one leading up to the ASG. This draft isn't really all that deep compared to last year, it's around an average draft, and these kinds usually pump out 3-4 all-stars at most. That's 4 players out of 60 panning out to be at least as effective as FVV is right now.

I'd say the #6 pick is absolutely fair value for him.

In terms of value I see how you could make a case. But not the fit. It would need to be a 3 team deal if anything. Portland needs a wing star. Not another PG

Yeah, maybe. If it was Siakam going the other way there would of course need to be more included coming our way for it to make sense, and then you'd have to go all-in on Fred being the leader and playing alongside Scottie. I think at that point you'd have to convince Freddie to play more off-ball with Scottie having more ball-handling opportunities than last year. Could work out.

I don't know if a tandem of Lillard and Siakam is a real contender, but I'm sure it would be their strongest playoff team in years.

Yeah I definitely wouldn’t do Siakam for just #6. Unless they move up to the top 3 in the lotto, I don’t see a way they get pascal. I would be open to OG + 33 or something though

[sogood]

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

Garland, Murray, ball, shai, jrue, probably more effective then dame.

You literally sound like ignorant American fans from years ago that only watch highlights on espn.

Im also going to assume counting with your fingers is tough for you since counting how many point guards make the all star game is apparently over your head.

Way to interpret friend.

lmao oh god, you're an idiot.

[KL78192020]

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

Garland, Murray, ball, shai, jrue, probably more effective then dame.

You literally sound like ignorant American fans from years ago that only watch highlights on espn.

Im also going to assume counting with your fingers is tough for you since counting how many point guards make the all star game is apparently over your head.

Way to interpret friend.

lmao oh god, you're an idiot.

lol that guy is brainless.

[agkagk]

Garland, Murray, ball, shai, jrue, probably more effective then dame.

You literally sound like ignorant American fans from years ago that only watch highlights on espn.

Im also going to assume counting with your fingers is tough for you since counting how many point guards make the all star game is apparently over your head.

Way to interpret friend.

lmao oh god, you're an idiot.

lol that guy is brainless.

Fun fact my totally not smart rear ended friend:

Winning at basketball and looking good scoring baskets aren’t the same thing you bloody teenager.

Explain in English using logic how Murray ball garland etc are better than Fred - you can’t because youre an arrogant child that’s typing but not taking the time to actually communicate or say anything of substance.

Smart!

Fun fact: Fred van vleet has been more effective at winning basketball games than kyrie Irving the last two seasons. Good luck wrapping your head around that.

Saaaaaallllllaaaary caaaaap aaaaaand wiiiiiinning.

Read em slowly.

[agkagk]

Garland, Murray, ball, shai, jrue, probably more effective then dame.

You literally sound like ignorant American fans from years ago that only watch highlights on espn.

Im also going to assume counting with your fingers is tough for you since counting how many point guards make the all star game is apparently over your head.

Way to interpret friend.

lmao oh god, you're an idiot.

lol that guy is brainless.

I just assume you’re a child.

and no matter how dense and belligerent you are; Avery Johnson was still called the little general — can you accept this without insulting people??

This is why your childish too me— not just your short sited bs, but your arrogant ignorance — literally the root of stupidity friend; ignorance— and yours is willful.

Have you even tried to acknowledge a single thing I’ve written? Why do you post, to stroke your ego and talk trash like a child?

You haven’t a clue what Fred’s trade value is or how good he is.

Nor do you understand the importance of his position— which is literally the most basic basketball knowledge.

Deal with it kid.

[Holla]

I don't wanna jump into y'all arguing, BUT if we are going the positionless route, a "PG" is not needed when guys like Pascal, Scottie, Gary, OG, hell even precious can bring up the ball. IMO see the best available offer for Freddy and give the reigns to Scottie and roll with the long boiz and have a backup free agent "PG" such as Rondo, Gary Payton, rubio, delon, Schroeder, tyus Jones.
Especially since we are doing something different it doesn't matter if we have a legit point guard when other players we have excel at being a point forward

[agkagk]

I don't wanna jump into y'all arguing, BUT if we are going the positionless route, a "PG" is not needed when guys like Pascal, Scottie, Gary, OG, hell even precious can bring up the ball. IMO see the best available offer for Freddy and give the reigns to Scottie and roll with the long boiz and have a backup free agent "PG" such as Rondo, Gary Payton, rubio, delon, Schroeder, tyus Jones.
Especially since we are doing something different it doesn't matter if we have a legit point guard when other players we have excel at being a point forward

See this ones and 1 worthy to me.

It’s a logical opinion. And not based on attacking posters or raptors players. Thanks for sharing and thanks for not being brain dead adamant that we should trade Fred for scraps “because he’s not a superstar”.

Personally I have fears that long term, faster point guards will plan for us and exploit our larger lineup.

I get the idea, and should we go that route, I am curious to see it play out. Just not sure diving in fully will work out well.

[OhCanada1091]

I think Caleb Houstan has a promise with Toronto at 33 since he declined a combine invite. Caleb played with both Precious Achuiwa and Scottie Barnes at Montverde Academy. When asked what Toronto needs this offseason Nurse said perimeter shooting and more 6’8 guys. Ujiri seconded this. I think its a perfect fit although I also think theres alot of these 6’8 guys who can shoot in this draft and that they are being slept on. I’m not sure Houstan makes it to 33.

[OhCanada1091]

Any LeBron led team, the Warriors, the Spurs, Jordan's Bulls.

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

He's better than LaMelo, Shai, Murray (injury why did you even list him), and Dame had a really bad year by his standards last season. He's on par with Darius Garland. Jrue is better because of his size and consistency. The rest are better. Kyries amazing but he's a headache at this point...

[Holla]

I don't wanna jump into y'all arguing, BUT if we are going the positionless route, a "PG" is not needed when guys like Pascal, Scottie, Gary, OG, hell even precious can bring up the ball. IMO see the best available offer for Freddy and give the reigns to Scottie and roll with the long boiz and have a backup free agent "PG" such as Rondo, Gary Payton, rubio, delon, Schroeder, tyus Jones.
Especially since we are doing something different it doesn't matter if we have a legit point guard when other players we have excel at being a point forward

See this ones and 1 worthy to me.

It’s a logical opinion. And not based on attacking posters or raptors players. Thanks for sharing and thanks for not being brain dead adamant that we should trade Fred for scraps “because he’s not a superstar”.

Personally I have fears that long term, faster point guards will plan for us and exploit our larger lineup.

I get the idea, and should we go that route, I am curious to see it play out. Just not sure diving in fully will work out well.

No point in fighting or arguing, everyone has their own opinion but y'all ain't GMs or Masai and neither am I
I love Freddy and his competitor spirit, he's a great PG
But we are moving in a different and potential future nba changing moment where we will start the movement. It's pretty cool to think about actually which is why I'm not against trading Freddy as well as he may want the super max which I'd be iffy about.

If we can somehow trade Freddy +++ for Beal or lavine and give scottie the reigns + sign a decent C and shooting
We going places y'all

[agkagk]

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

He's better than LaMelo, Shai, Murray (injury why did you even list him), and Dame had a really bad year by his standards last season. He's on par with Darius Garland. Jrue is better because of his size and consistency. The rest are better. Kyries amazing but he's a headache at this point...

Ya I don’t think I gave jrue enough credit — I kind of see him and Fred as being on the same level.

Basically top of the second tier pg’s — they both have. A couple warts but both play above their skill level and bring a tonne of intangibles to the table—- gotta figure Fred is worth similarly to what the bucks paid for jrue + inflation lol — price for top tier guys has gone up the last couple years.