Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

Canadafan · Post #2381 » by **Canadafan** » Sun May 8, 2022 3:45 am

Hmmmm, this was sarcastic hence my "lol". My bad

edmunder_prc · Post #2382 » by **edmunder_prc** » Sun May 8, 2022 3:30 pm

If Pistons draft someone like Chet and then trade Grant for a later pick who is also a player that will need a year to get used to the NBA, Pistons could suck again.

Then somewhere through the year Weaver will need to figure out which of Bey, Hayes, Stewart, Diallo, KO will be staying on the team and how much for contracts. 2-3 could be traded for expirings and picks.

It could be the best strategy to break it down a little, get picks for 2023, wait for growth from Cade, 2022 picks, Bey/Diallo/Bags.

That team does likely have a higher floor but if Cade has a 'leg contusion' for a while or gets a sprain, could very well be a bottom 5 team and get lucky to move up to top 3 pick again.

Manocad · Post #2383 » by **Manocad** » Sun May 8, 2022 8:29 pm

edmunder_prc wrote:If Pistons draft someone like Chet and then trade Grant for a later pick who is also a player that will need a year to get used to the NBA, Pistons could suck again.

Then somewhere through the year Weaver will need to figure out which of Bey, Hayes, Stewart, Diallo, KO will be staying on the team and how much for contracts. 2-3 could be traded for expirings and picks.

It could be the best strategy to break it down a little, get picks for 2023, wait for growth from Cade, 2022 picks, Bey/Diallo/Bags.

That team does likely have a higher floor but if Cade has a 'leg contusion' for a while or gets a sprain, could very well be a bottom 5 team and get lucky to move up to top 3 pick again.

Except that Weaver literally said he expects the team to make significant improvement this offseason. Now, that could certainly be referring to organic improvement from Cade, Bey, etc. but it sure as hell doesn't mean "tear it down further (get worse) to build it back better."

Canadafan · Post #2384 » by **Canadafan** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:15 am

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

vic · Post #2385 » by **vic** » Tue May 10, 2022 10:58 am

Canadafan wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

This mock actually lists a lot of the reasons I like Chet better than his top 3:

Banchero’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE shot blocker and finisher.

Jabari Smith’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE finisher and shot blocker.

Keegan Murray is old, feeds off transition and comes from a program that knows how to showcase one guy.

Similar to Evan Mobley, Chet played in a system that was an equal opportunity motion system, with another big that clogged the paint, and he got the lower amount of touches. And Chet was the elite finisher and shot-blocker on his team, as the 4!

I literally don’t know how you could rate the other 4s higher than the one who did the most with the least opportunity and help. Chet is going to surprise a lot of people just like Mobley did.

Chet is still my #1B. Sharpe is 1A.

LSV · Post #2386 » by **LSV** » Tue May 10, 2022 11:14 am

vic wrote:
Canadafan wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

This mock actually lists a lot of the reasons I like Chet better than his top 3:

Banchero’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE shot blocker and finisher.

Jabari Smith’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE finisher and shot blocker.

Keegan Murray is old, feeds off transition and comes from a program that knows how to showcase one guy.

Similar to Evan Mobley, Chet played in a system that was an equal opportunity motion system, with another big that clogged the paint, and he got the lower amount of touches. And Chet was the elite finisher and shot-blocker on his team, as the 4!

I literally don’t know how you could rate the other 4s higher than the one who did the most with the least opportunity and help. Chet is going to surprise a lot of people just like Mobley did.

Chet is still my #1B. Sharpe is 1A.

If by trading Grant, and with a lot of luck in the lottery, you could get Holgrem and Sharpe, that would be amazing.

Cade - Sharpe - Bey - Holgrem - Stewart
Hayes - Jackson/Diallo - Livers - Bagley - Olynyk

And we would still have the money for free agency.

vic · Post #2387 » by **vic** » Tue May 10, 2022 3:45 pm

LSV wrote:
vic wrote:
Canadafan wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

This mock actually lists a lot of the reasons I like Chet better than his top 3:

Banchero’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE shot blocker and finisher.

Jabari Smith’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE finisher and shot blocker.

Keegan Murray is old, feeds off transition and comes from a program that knows how to showcase one guy.

Similar to Evan Mobley, Chet played in a system that was an equal opportunity motion system, with another big that clogged the paint, and he got the lower amount of touches. And Chet was the elite finisher and shot-blocker on his team, as the 4!

I literally don’t know how you could rate the other 4s higher than the one who did the most with the least opportunity and help. Chet is going to surprise a lot of people just like Mobley did.

Chet is still my #1B. Sharpe is 1A.

If by trading Grant, and with a lot of luck in the lottery, you could get Holgrem and Sharpe, that would be amazing.

Cade - Sharpe - Bey - Holgrem - Stewart
Hayes - Jackson/Diallo - Livers - Bagley - Olynyk

And we would still have the money for free agency.

That’s definitely my pipe dream too

Jsindto · Post #2388 » by **Jsindto** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:08 pm

LSV wrote:
vic wrote:
Canadafan wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-mock-draft-dukes-paolo-banchero-goes-no-1-with-iowas-keegan-murray-a-surprising-no-3-pick/

This mock actually lists a lot of the reasons I like Chet better than his top 3:

Banchero’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE shot blocker and finisher.

Jabari Smith’s game was protected and enhanced by an ELITE ELITE finisher and shot blocker.

Keegan Murray is old, feeds off transition and comes from a program that knows how to showcase one guy.

Similar to Evan Mobley, Chet played in a system that was an equal opportunity motion system, with another big that clogged the paint, and he got the lower amount of touches. And Chet was the elite finisher and shot-blocker on his team, as the 4!

I literally don’t know how you could rate the other 4s higher than the one who did the most with the least opportunity and help. Chet is going to surprise a lot of people just like Mobley did.

Chet is still my #1B. Sharpe is 1A.

If by trading Grant, and with a lot of luck in the lottery, you could get Holgrem and Sharpe, that would be amazing.

Cade - Sharpe - Bey - Holgrem - Stewart
Hayes - Jackson/Diallo - Livers - Bagley - Olynyk

And we would still have the money for free agency.

What's nice about this plan too is it gives you the flexibility to let the team build one more season before truly pushing for serious playoff runs beginning with the 2023-2024 season.

I'm all for pushing for the play-in this upcoming season if they draft Jaden Ivey, extend Grant, and pick up a solid FA. Things that are all realistic and help in the short term. But if they make moves that make sense but are not major impacts for this upcoming season, I'm personally good waiting one more year.

Now, having said that it would be inexcusable (in my opinion at least) to not be in the playoff picture for the 2023-2024 season. But I'm good if there is one more year to build up the team.

buzzkilloton · Post #2389 » by **buzzkilloton** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:43 pm

Todays updated pick 1 nba draft odds from DK Michigan:

Jabari +100
Chet +130
Paolo +350
Ivey +5000
Sharpe +7500
Murray +20000

whitehops · Post #2390 » by **whitehops** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:42 pm

one week until the lottery! no matter what our luck is with that it'll at least give us a better idea of our options.

zeebneeb · Post #2391 » by **zeebneeb** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:55 pm

7 DAY WARNING.

We'll see if the Pistons are in the range of one of the bigs(1-3)or one of the gaurds.

Finally be able to have a real discussion about the offseason, and potential moves.

flow · Post #2392 » by **flow** » Tue May 10, 2022 5:57 pm

Who each lottery team should take if they get the #1 pick

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/5/10/23063897/nba-mock-draft-lottery-first-pick-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jabari-smith

They have Chet for the Pistons. Seems logical, but so do others.

buzzkilloton · Post #2393 » by **buzzkilloton** » Tue May 10, 2022 6:20 pm

One more year!

Edwards today in the athletic:

Outside of Jalen Brunson, Zach LaVine or Deandre Ayton, there’s no one in this free agency class that I’d be enthused about signing to a contract for longer than three years based on what it would take for Detroit to land them. This class is meh, to put it nicely. Next year’s class has the potential to be star-studded, and while the Pistons don’t usually land those types of players in the free agency market, it might be worth waiting a year and seeing if Weaver can work his connections.

I’ll even take what you said a step further: I’m not sold that Detroit shouldn’t put out a young team again next season and see what happens, even if that means picking in the top five again. France’s Victor Wembanyama and the G League’s Scoot Henderson appear to be real-deal prospects. I know the time is ticking on Cunningham’s rookie deal, but from all accounts, Wembanyama and Henderson might be worth another tough season in the win-loss column. If the Pistons make the Play-In Tournament or playoffs with a young team again, then so be it. That means several things went right.

tmorgan · Post #2394 » by **tmorgan** » Tue May 10, 2022 6:46 pm

There’s only one scenario that lands the Pistons both Chet and Sharpe without giving up assets besides Grant:

We hit a top 2 lottery ball ourselves (it sounds more and more like Paolo is going third), and Portland does not, Sharpe slides, and Portland is desperate enough to do Grant into their TPE for the pick. It’s not impossible, but it’s unlikely. Not only does is require a top pick (around 25% chance), but also Portland overpaying on a year of Jerami in a panicky move. And Sharpe not really impressing in workouts, because if he does he’ll go no lower than 4th.

I agree, it’d be great. But don’t get your hopes up. Or be prepared to part with a real asset, like Bey.

whitehops · Post #2395 » by **whitehops** » Wed May 11, 2022 9:39 am

Read on Twitter

Kris Murray was always suspected to go back to Iowa after not hiring an agent. Keegan Murray is still very much in the draft.

Last report I saw was that Houstan didn’t have any agent either so he might go back to Michigan which honestly might not be a bad choice for him.

MotownMadness · Post #2396 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed May 11, 2022 1:20 pm

whitehops wrote:

Read on Twitter

Kris Murray was always suspected to go back to Iowa after not hiring an agent. Keegan Murray is still very much in the draft.

Last report I saw was that Houstan didn’t have any agent either so he might go back to Michigan which honestly might not be a bad choice for him.

Wasn't Houston a projected top 10 pick entering the year?

whitehops · Post #2397 » by **whitehops** » Wed May 11, 2022 2:07 pm

MotownMadness wrote:Wasn't Houston a projected top 10 pick entering the year?

think so, rivals had him 9th in his class. but a rough freshman season has dropped his stock a ton, my guess is that he was given a second round grade by the draft board so he decided to keep his NCAA eligibility.

there's speculation that he might have a draft promise from a team with a late first round pick but i think it's much likelier that he goes back to Michigan to work on his game and raise his stock.

zeebneeb · Post #2398 » by **zeebneeb** » Wed May 11, 2022 2:46 pm

flow wrote:Who each lottery team should take if they get the #1 pick

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/5/10/23063897/nba-mock-draft-lottery-first-pick-paolo-banchero-chet-holmgren-jabari-smith

They have Chet for the Pistons. Seems logical, but so do others.

Honestly, the only real shot the Pistons have landing Chet, is with the #1 pick. Lots of smoke about who's possibly going #1, when in reality, because of Mobley, no team is going to risk passing up on a player like Chet.

He is going #1, and then it's a toss-up between Banchero, Smith, and Sharpe.

My guess, as of right now;

Chet
Banchero
Sharpe
Smith

2-4 of course depends on who's picking(6 days!)but its going to be those 4. Ivey may drop to 6.

tmorgan · Post #2399 » by **tmorgan** » Wed May 11, 2022 7:33 pm

Mobley and Chet are pretty different in some important ways.

1) Mobley is on the thin side right now, but has a frame that will add weight soon. Chet is a stick figure.
2) Mobley has quick feet, great instincts and a good wingspan. Chet has slow feet, amazing instincts, and a great wingspan.
3) Chet has reliable range out to three, Mobley is still working on it.

They’re both above average passers as bigs. Both have great potential. But Mobley definitely is the better long-term bet, mostly due to body issues with Chet.

Jsindto · Post #2400 » by **Jsindto** » Wed May 11, 2022 7:49 pm

tmorgan wrote:Mobley and Chet are pretty different in some important ways.

1) Mobley is on the thin side right now, but has a frame that will add weight soon. Chet is a stick figure.
2) Mobley has quick feet, great instincts and a good wingspan. Chet has slow feet, amazing instincts, and a great wingspan.
3) Chet has reliable range out to three, Mobley is still working on it.

They’re both above average passers as bigs. Both have great potential. But Mobley definitely is the better long-term bet, mostly due to body issues with Chet.

That's a pretty good summary. I would say that I think Chet has a slightly higher ceiling if they both hit their ceiling, but Mobley has the way higher chance of hitting his ceiling. So given the two, it's an easy choice. But I wouldn't be blown away if Chet were to be the better player in 5 years.