2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[agkagk]

Any LeBron led team, the Warriors, the Spurs, Jordan's Bulls.

Lebron minus Kyrie or wade I’ll give you, I believe that would be one title.

Jordan was a de facto point guard and Paxton was no slouch, hell steve Kerr was a hell of a leader too.

Avery Johnson was a renowned leader; his nickname was “the little GENERAL” . Tony Parker’s a hall of farmer. What the deuce man.

Fred is an all star, before the injury, by definition, he’s a top 5 point guard and a proven big game player. One does not trade such an asset for bench players and late lottery picks aaaaaaand keep their job.

There are very few realistic scenarios where we trade Fred and aren’t significantly worse.

Wanna know why, because the point guard position is and has aaaaaaaallllways been the most important position in the game.

lmaooooo

Steph
Luka
Morant
Kyrie
Dame
CP3
Jrue
LaMelo
Shai
Murray
Garland

Which 7 is he better than?

Not to poke a smart person, but in the interest of you not twisting what I wrote.

Using your fingers, count how many of these guys on the list made the all star game this season.

Then try to assume the trade value of the guys you counted with your fingers are relatively similar.

Please actually acknowledge a single thing I wrote instead of trying to bait me into a two inch pissing match.

I shall dub thee tiny archibald moving forward — hell of a floor general.

[DreamTeam09]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

[agkagk]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

hmmm....

I wonder if birch plus 33 and filler like svi is enough?

Seems like a reasonable trade for both sides, no?

[DreamTeam09]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

hmmm....

I wonder if birch plus 33 and filler like svi is enough?

Seems like a reasonable trade for both sides, no?

I'd rather keep this pick and trade a future. I agree tho, he should be cheap and very attainable to get

[alevirfe]

Mitchell Robinson is my #1 FA target this summer

24 years old next season, legit 7'0 with a 7'4 wingspan, great rebounder & shot blocker (2.6 BPG per36), insanely efficient at 76% FG% (because of his shot selection). at 23 has already played 4 mostly healthy seasons in the league playing only 24 mins/game for his career

downside: foul trouble, no shooting whatsoever, horrible FT shooter (49% last year)

Robinson is like getting 50% Rudy Gobert's production at 25% of the contract hit IMO

[mtcan]

Mitchell Robinson is my #1 FA target this summer

24 years old next season, legit 7'0 with a 7'4 wingspan, great rebounder & shot blocker (2.6 BPG per36), insanely efficient at 76% FG% (because of his shot selection). at 23 has already played 4 mostly healthy seasons in the league playing only 24 mins/game for his career

downside: foul trouble, no shooting whatsoever, horrible FT shooter (49% last year)

Robinson is like getting 50% Rudy Gobert's production at 25% of the contract hit IMO

Dude...temper your expectations!!!

Every year...this board gets hyped for the possibility of bringing in name free agents (not even big name free agents...just dudes with a name lol)...and every year the knives are out for Masai and Bobby being "asleep at the wheel" when guys like Richaun Holmes, Christian Wood and Nerlens Noel go to other teams...and then we end up with Aron Baynes and Alex Len.

We ain't getting Mitch Robinson. If you recognize the guy's name and he's a basketball player that was of decent quality...we ain't getting him.

Lets find the obscure free agent who is worthy of a minimum contract...likely a guy who isn't good enough for his team to extend past his rookie contract who is considered a reclamation project.

Who is the Stanley Johnson/Rondae Hollis-Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Svi/Yuta Watanabe/DeAndre Bembry in this free agent class? Or...who is the Ish Wainright/Sam Dekker from Europe/Africa that we are bringing in to training camp?

[agkagk]

Mitchell Robinson is my #1 FA target this summer

24 years old next season, legit 7'0 with a 7'4 wingspan, great rebounder & shot blocker (2.6 BPG per36), insanely efficient at 76% FG% (because of his shot selection). at 23 has already played 4 mostly healthy seasons in the league playing only 24 mins/game for his career

downside: foul trouble, no shooting whatsoever, horrible FT shooter (49% last year)

Robinson is like getting 50% Rudy Gobert's production at 25% of the contract hit IMO

Dude...temper your expectations!!!

Every year...this board gets hyped for the possibility of bringing in name free agents (not even big name free agents...just dudes with a name lol)...and every year the knives are out for Masai and Bobby being "asleep at the wheel" when guys like Richaun Holmes, Christian Wood and Nerlens Noel go to other teams...and then we end up with Aron Baynes and Alex Len.

We ain't getting Mitch Robinson. If you recognize the guy's name and he's a basketball player that was of decent quality...we ain't getting him.

Lets find the obscure free agent who is worthy of a minimum contract...likely a guy who isn't good enough for his team to extend past his rookie contract who is considered a reclamation project.

Who is the Stanley Johnson/Rondae Hollis-Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Svi/Yuta Watanabe/DeAndre Bembry in this free agent class? Or...who is the Ish Wainright/Sam Dekker from Europe/Africa that we are bringing in to training camp?

There is a pretty deep and kinda exciting Group of young centre’s hitting free agency this summer:

Bamba, Bryant, Robinson, naz reid, zubac, hartelstein… ok that’s it

But between this group and all the veterans who will struggle to get more than an exception level contract, it’s a pretty deep crop….

Would love to see us bring in hartelstein (for example) for around 8-9 and ibaka for less than 4

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/center/

[Morris_Shatford]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

hmmm....

I wonder if birch plus 33 and filler like svi is enough?

Seems like a reasonable trade for both sides, no?

I like either idea if the Kings are looking to break Holmes into pieces.
If we can address minutes at the five with Holmes by using existing contracts off the roster while keeping our MLE, BAE, and TPEs in place I would be thrilled.

Couldn't begin to understand how the Kings value Holmes;
With Sabonis in town his usage and productivity cratered, but not sure if a team who is more desperate for a five (Charlotte) offers more.

[alevirfe]

Mitchell Robinson is my #1 FA target this summer

24 years old next season, legit 7'0 with a 7'4 wingspan, great rebounder & shot blocker (2.6 BPG per36), insanely efficient at 76% FG% (because of his shot selection). at 23 has already played 4 mostly healthy seasons in the league playing only 24 mins/game for his career

downside: foul trouble, no shooting whatsoever, horrible FT shooter (49% last year)

Robinson is like getting 50% Rudy Gobert's production at 25% of the contract hit IMO

Dude...temper your expectations!!!

Every year...this board gets hyped for the possibility of bringing in name free agents (not even big name free agents...just dudes with a name lol)...and every year the knives are out for Masai and Bobby being "asleep at the wheel" when guys like Richaun Holmes, Christian Wood and Nerlens Noel go to other teams...and then we end up with Aron Baynes and Alex Len.

We ain't getting Mitch Robinson. If you recognize the guy's name and he's a basketball player that was of decent quality...we ain't getting him.

Lets find the obscure free agent who is worthy of a minimum contract...likely a guy who isn't good enough for his team to extend past his rookie contract who is considered a reclamation project.

Who is the Stanley Johnson/Rondae Hollis-Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Svi/Yuta Watanabe/DeAndre Bembry in this free agent class? Or...who is the Ish Wainright/Sam Dekker from Europe/Africa that we are bringing in to training camp?

sorry but Robinson IS tempering expectations

I'm not talking about Gobert or Turner like every other post in this thread, I'm mentioning a realistic free agent no one is talking about

reading into projections, most have him between $10-15M annually so I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility if we decide to make a splash

[alevirfe]

players we should target with the MLE:
Tyus Jones, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington

[Asif16]

players we should target with the MLE:
Tyus Jones, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington

Tyus Jones sure.

Wayne Ellington is cooked. That dude is Minimum level. Not MLE lol

[Asif16]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

I like the prospect of this.

Holmes is clearly on the out in Sacramento. They have great depth at Front with Sabonis/Jones/Metu/Len. Holmes has proven to be a solid player with proper playing time.

If we can get him while maintaining our MLE and BAE, I'd be estatic

[Asif16]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

hmmm....

I wonder if birch plus 33 and filler like svi is enough?

Seems like a reasonable trade for both sides, no?

I like either idea if the Kings are looking to break Holmes into pieces.
If we can address minutes at the five with Holmes while keeping our MLE, BAE, and TPEs in place I would be thrilled.

Couldn't begin to understand how the Kings value Holmes;
With Sabonis in town his usage and productivity cratered, but not sure if a team who is more desperate for a five (Charlotte) offers more.

I dont think we have a TPE large enough to absorb Holmes do we?

Also, Charlotte should be aiming much higher than Holmes as their big man. Or at least I hope. Holmes is a slightly better version than Montrezz. They needed a far better center.

[alevirfe]

players we should target with the MLE:
Tyus Jones, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington

Tyus Jones sure.

Wayne Ellington is cooked. That dude is Minimum level. Not MLE lol

he still shot 39% on 3s on 5 attempts. he's been a very consistent 3pt shooter for many years now. would love to have him on our bench as a specialist to space the floor

also, you can use a portion of the MLE to sign different players

[mtcan]

Mitchell Robinson is my #1 FA target this summer

24 years old next season, legit 7'0 with a 7'4 wingspan, great rebounder & shot blocker (2.6 BPG per36), insanely efficient at 76% FG% (because of his shot selection). at 23 has already played 4 mostly healthy seasons in the league playing only 24 mins/game for his career

downside: foul trouble, no shooting whatsoever, horrible FT shooter (49% last year)

Robinson is like getting 50% Rudy Gobert's production at 25% of the contract hit IMO

Dude...temper your expectations!!!

Every year...this board gets hyped for the possibility of bringing in name free agents (not even big name free agents...just dudes with a name lol)...and every year the knives are out for Masai and Bobby being "asleep at the wheel" when guys like Richaun Holmes, Christian Wood and Nerlens Noel go to other teams...and then we end up with Aron Baynes and Alex Len.

We ain't getting Mitch Robinson. If you recognize the guy's name and he's a basketball player that was of decent quality...we ain't getting him.

Lets find the obscure free agent who is worthy of a minimum contract...likely a guy who isn't good enough for his team to extend past his rookie contract who is considered a reclamation project.

Who is the Stanley Johnson/Rondae Hollis-Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Svi/Yuta Watanabe/DeAndre Bembry in this free agent class? Or...who is the Ish Wainright/Sam Dekker from Europe/Africa that we are bringing in to training camp?

sorry but Robinson IS tempering expectations

I'm not talking about Gobert or Turner like every other post in this thread, I'm mentioning a realistic free agent no one is talking about

reading into projections, most have him between $10-15M annually so I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility if we decide to make a splash

No...that's not tempering enough...lol.

If you've heard of him...he ain't coming to Toronto.

[Morris_Shatford]

I dont think we have a TPE large enough to absorb Holmes do we?

Also, Charlotte should be aiming much higher than Holmes as their big man. Or at least I hope. Holmes is a slightly better version than Montrezz. They needed a far better center.

We don't have an TPE large enough,
Sorry re-reading I realized I wasn't clear.

What I meant to say is that if we can address the five using existing contracts on the books (Birch, etc) and we could still have our full MLE, BAE, and the TPEs we have left to address some of the shooting and ball handling needs on the bench that would be amazing.

Charlotte should have much higher ambitions than Holmes, but given how dicey the five has been for them I wouldn't be shocked if they came out the other end with Holmes and then used 15 on a big that could work his way in over Holmes remaining deal.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Duncan Robinson is the guy we need to get on the cheaps

Cheap and Duncan Robinson are a oxymoron no way does Toronto take that contract. Your on the hook for $60 million plus over the next three years for a 10 ppg scorer who can't play defense. Unless The Heat are giving Toronto multiple 1sts I stay far away

[Morris_Shatford]

also, you can use a portion of the MLE to sign different players

Yes you can.
You can break it into pieces and sign multiple players.

[DreamTeam09]

Duncan Robinson is the guy we need to get on the cheaps

Cheap and Duncan Robinson are a oxymoron no way does Toronto take that contract. Your on the hook for $60 million plus over the next three years for a 10 ppg scorer who can't play defense. Unless The Heat are giving Toronto multiple 1sts I stay far away

I was just looking around the league to flip the Birch + Flynn + Svi combo. Holmes is a much better option to pursue with those assets instead.

[alevirfe]

also, you can use a portion of the MLE to sign different players

Yes you can.
You can break it into pieces and sign multiple players.

yup, exactly. to me adding depth to our guard/wing rotation should be feasible through only exceptions:
Tyus Jones, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington, Gary Harris, Malik Monk, Kyle Anderson

signing 2 or 3 from the list above would give us a deep rotation of veterans who can shoot, handle, and defend

to fix our C problem, we would have to make a trade if we actually want someone we can build with. I would be open to moving on from Gary if we can get one of the younger, up & coming Cs:
Mitchell Robinson, Thomas Bryant, Jalen Smith