Eastern Conference | Round 2 | (2) Boston Celtics VS. (3) Milwaukee Bucks (TIED 3-3)

[ABucksFan]

Bucks win tonight because it'd be really random. Giannis 50 burger.

[Pachinko_]

Both Celtics and Suns fans are vocal of how excessive it can be and how it's not called the same way for the team the Bucks are facing.

Yeah man but that's like telling me what is a turkey's opinion about the thanksgiving menu.
Anyway screw it, too much talk about the refs gets tiresome

With statements like this, don't be surprised when no one believes or cares about your future claims as a victim.

Be a fan of your team all you want, don't try to talk down on other teams fans if you can't back up your talk. Actually, don't talk down on others at all who don't throw the first stone. A bit of respect goes a long way

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What-on-earth, man. This was not an insult, it was a metaphor*. Was aimed to illustrate that when you're getting opinions you have to also consider the other person's position and relative ability to remain impartial. Any fanbase by definition is never a good sample to poll if they think the refs harmed their team in a loss. Of course they'll say they did, what did you expect them to say? Bucks fans, Celtics fans, Suns fans, you** all sound uniformly exactly the same when it comes to the refs.

As for my future claims as a victim (!) I'm struggling to understand what you even mean to be honest.

*ok not the best one in hindsight, not getting any literature awards anytime soon

**I'm a Bucks fan but I take pride in never blaming a loss to the refs. I **** on them every single time, regardless win or lose. They suck.

[Fantaxp7]

How am I expected to get work done today?...if only Severance was real.

[Pachinko_]

How am I expected to get work done today?...if only Severance was real.

Hey at least your game times are not during business hours on workdays
Every time the playoffs start I have to rearrange my monitors so that one of them is facing a wall, and then I got an email from IT security asking me how I managed to download 8gig from a weird proxy that league pass appears under (thank God)
But they also copied my boss so yea

still got a job, somehow

[Fantaxp7]

How am I expected to get work done today?...if only Severance was real.

Hey at least your game times are not during business hours on workdays
Every time the playoffs start I have to rearrange my monitors so that one of them is facing a wall, and then I got an email from IT security asking me how I managed to download 8gig from a weird proxy that league pass appears under (thank God)
But they also copied my boss so yea

still got a job, somehow

They have to understand priorities! lol

[jfs1000d]

Giannis is the most marketable player in the league, whose team is still alive in the playoffs.

Only player I can think of who's perhaps more marketable right now than Giannis is LeBron. However the TV ratings for the 2021 NBA finals (with Giannis) were up 32% compared to the 2020 NBA finals (with leBron)

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/nba-finals-2021-bucks-suns-championship-series-up-32-percent-in-viewership-versus-2020-finals/3x5x61e8rol11eadirffyyb9v

But Giannis has been around and winning MVPs for years, why did they suddenly decide to rig the games and refs in favour of Milwaukee and let us suffer with no help in the bubble, against KD and against Kawhi's Toronto previously? Was it the lucrative the Canadian market they were trying to capture?

Help me understand those hidden truths

I don’t think the league tries hard to market Giannis at all. 99.9 % of the population couldn’t spell his last name with a gun to their heads and being a foreign big man is obviously another strike. Just like the league doesn’t bother to market Jokic. I feel like someone like Reign Man and Grandmama were marketed way more back in the day and their stats and credentials can’t touch guys like Giannis and Jokic. Definitely a small market thing at this point. But yeah, these guys have 4 MVPs combined and alls people want to talk about is busted up Zion and old Lebron and Ben Simmons back and Trae Young these days.

It’s really like Hakeem back in the day. He didn’t appear in commercials or get promoted much but he was the best player in the league when Jordan retired in 1993 and all the press went to the youth movement of Shaq and Kemp. I guess it’s just guys that don’t generate much drama just have little appeal to the masses who sometimes seem more concerned with combustible personalities than transcendent basketball talents.

The league isn’t doing this stupid favoritism for Giannis over Boston . Give me a break.

Giannis is fine. Tatum and Boston is fine.

San Antonio won how many nba titles with Duncan? Refs are just not good enough anymore and calm the game differently in the playoffs.

That said, Giannis is the face of the league.

Espn is really behind the curve in this issue. They are still doing lakers and clippers stories as if Lebron, George, Leonard, Davis, Westbrook are the faces of the league.

They are still trying to recreate the Heat and the big 3 media circus.

They have so many reporters, staff and production LA it is affecting how they cover the league.


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[Fencer reregistered]

This is an article about Marcus Smart, and as such may or may not interest people.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/5/11/23064980/marcus-smart-playoff-point-guard-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-ime-udoka-brad-stevens

But the second play clip reminded me of something I already noticed during the game. In a play with just under 2 minutes left, Smart wheeled and dealed to rather slowly back down Jrue in the post. Giannis ran right by Smart and, instead of trying to swallow Smart up with a double team that looks like it could have been very effective, instead went out to cover an otherwise open Horford.

Was this about Horford's gravity? Was it standard Bucks doctrine? Was Giannis just tired and bewildered? Was it actually the right decision?

[jfs1000d]

Not so hot take but I bet both PHX and GS are rooting hard for Boston in this series. Think they’d both rather play them than a healthy Milwaukee team. (Dallas too but I have PHX beating them this series).

Golden State would struggle against Boston. Horrible matchup for the warriors.


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Agreed. The Celtics have always given GSW trouble whenever the play each other. Would be an interesting Finals matchup to say the least.

Would be an awesome series.


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[Wooderson]

If Giannis was really as protected as many Celtics fans seem to think, the majority of these would be called fouls. Horford is the king of getting away with elbows and pushes - often times they're subtle but clear fouls, other times they're blatant. Refs are letting Boston be super aggressive, so of course he's going to be allowed to dish it back.

Horford elbowing Giannis in the ribs, also looks like Williams gets him from behind

Theis riding Giannis side/jumping into him

Horford riding Giannis back with an elbow

Horford grabbing Giannis shoulder

Grant Williams jumping into Giannis on a turnaround jumper

Horford left hand on Giannis back

Pritchard sitcking his knee into Giannis

Horford again sticks his elbow in Giannis

Williams hugs Giannis

Grant Williams runs horizontally under Giannis

Horford small shove on Giannis hip

Horford left arm push on Giannis back as he's attempting the shot

Grant kicks Giannis

Horford pushes Giannis hip on the drive

Spoiler:

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?t=duQWRfvUyc-zRMFBtivY8Q&s=19]Williams elbows Giannis in ribs on putback[/url]

Brown cuts off his path, Theis jumps forward into Giannis

White catches Giannis in the face

[shoresy69]

How am I expected to get work done today?...if only Severance was real.

Haha this scene was amazing. I'm glad that BOS/MIL and MEM/GSW are always the same night, only have to deal with this problem half the time.

Edit: they should've shown this clip to outtie Mark to show him how much fun he's having in there

[mademan]

series over. Bucks let the last game slip away, Boston gonna hammer them tonight imo.

[CharityStripe34]

Funny enough if Timelord is playing that gives Lopez someone to guard who wont kill him for soft paint hedges with his 3pt shooting. Bucks got killed by Horford hitting a ton of open shots because they attacked Lopez with a high-screen and pop. I thought Bud panicked after Game 2 by switching the "Jumbo" lineup with the three-bigs. Without Timelord that Jumbo lineup *maybe* could've done some damage last game.

Bucks have to share the ball more. Gianni and Jrue (even more so) going iso/hero ball plays exactly into Boston's hands. As great as Freak is he looked completely spent midway through the 4th and Holiday couldn't hit a shot to save his life. If they don't trust their shooters (both of their losses they attempted less than 30 threes) and swing the ball the Celtics are taking it.

That was a demoralizing loss for the Bucks since the game was there to be had 85% into it. Not easy to come back from that, especially on the road. That being said, they had a demoralizing Game 5 loss to Brooklyn last year and bounced back to win the series. Middleton's absence is really starting to matter quite a bit.

Not looking forward to camera-hog Marc Davis as lead ref. Dude loves to flex his guns. And not saying this to mean he's going to favor either team, he's just an annoying ref.

[ballup]

Yeah man but that's like telling me what is a turkey's opinion about the thanksgiving menu.
Anyway screw it, too much talk about the refs gets tiresome

With statements like this, don't be surprised when no one believes or cares about your future claims as a victim.

Be a fan of your team all you want, don't try to talk down on other teams fans if you can't back up your talk. Actually, don't talk down on others at all who don't throw the first stone. A bit of respect goes a long way

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What-on-earth, man. This was not an insult, it was a metaphor*. Was aimed to illustrate that when you're getting opinions you have to also consider the other person's position and relative ability to remain impartial. Any fanbase by definition is never a good sample to poll if they think the refs harmed their team in a loss. Of course they'll say they did, what did you expect them to say? Bucks fans, Celtics fans, Suns fans, you** all sound uniformly exactly the same when it comes to the refs.

As for my future claims as a victim (!) I'm struggling to understand what you even mean to be honest.

*ok not the best one in hindsight, not getting any literature awards anytime soon

**I'm a Bucks fan but I take pride in never blaming a loss to the refs. I **** on them every single time, regardless win or lose. They suck.

It's ironic that you're trying to lecture me about perspective meanwhile you totally disregard it. I'll apologize for overthinking your metaphor, but you not taking the feedback as a criticism on your own words is hypocritical.

Let's dive into your metaphor. A turkey has no choice in a Thanksgiving menu. Their opinions don't matter and equating other fanbases to the turkeys is condescending. How does that even portray everyone's responsibility to look at other perspectives? Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt about your intent, how are you interpreting it?

My point is that more than one fanbase (I would suspect more, but I'm not in the aether of every team) has the same criticisms. It's likely to be valid to some degree. Hell, SVG, who has no connections to either team, had similar complaints.

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[cl2117]

If Giannis was really as protected as many Celtics fans seem to think, the majority of these would be called fouls. Horford is the king of getting away with elbows and pushes - often times they're subtle but clear fouls, other times they're blatant. Refs are letting Boston be super aggressive, so of course he's going to be allowed to dish it back.

Horford elbowing Giannis in the ribs, also looks like Williams gets him from behind

Theis riding Giannis side/jumping into him

Horford riding Giannis back with an elbow

Horford grabbing Giannis shoulder

Grant Williams jumping into Giannis on a turnaround jumper

Horford left hand on Giannis back

Pritchard sitcking his knee into Giannis

Horford again sticks his elbow in Giannis

Williams hugs Giannis

Grant Williams runs horizontally under Giannis

Horford small shove on Giannis hip

Horford left arm push on Giannis back as he's attempting the shot

Grant kicks Giannis

Horford pushes Giannis hip on the drive

Spoiler:

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?t=duQWRfvUyc-zRMFBtivY8Q&s=19]Williams elbows Giannis in ribs on putback[/url]

Brown cuts off his path, Theis jumps forward into Giannis

White catches Giannis in the face

I'm sorry but this is just straight up embarrassing.

[Slax]

If Giannis was really as protected as many Celtics fans seem to think, the majority of these would be called fouls. Horford is the king of getting away with elbows and pushes - often times they're subtle but clear fouls, other times they're blatant. Refs are letting Boston be super aggressive, so of course he's going to be allowed to dish it back.

Horford elbowing Giannis in the ribs, also looks like Williams gets him from behind

Theis riding Giannis side/jumping into him

Horford riding Giannis back with an elbow

Horford grabbing Giannis shoulder

Grant Williams jumping into Giannis on a turnaround jumper

Horford left hand on Giannis back

Pritchard sitcking his knee into Giannis

Horford again sticks his elbow in Giannis

Williams hugs Giannis

Grant Williams runs horizontally under Giannis

Horford small shove on Giannis hip

Horford left arm push on Giannis back as he's attempting the shot

Grant kicks Giannis

Horford pushes Giannis hip on the drive

Spoiler:

[url=

Read on Twitter

?t=duQWRfvUyc-zRMFBtivY8Q&s=19]Williams elbows Giannis in ribs on putback[/url]

Brown cuts off his path, Theis jumps forward into Giannis

White catches Giannis in the face

All I've learned from watching these clips is that you can't tell the difference between a dribbler elbowing a defender in the face and a set defender placing a bent forearm on the dribbler's body: https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/legal-post-defense-defender-maintains-legal-forearm-hand-with-bent-elbow/

This is not a conspiracy against Boston. The reffing is not influencing the results of the games. It's not resulting in a systematic pro-Bucks free throw or scoring or foul disparity. The Bucks deserved to win both the games they win. But at the same time, it's true that Giannis is playing very reckless basketball by running into players at full force and elbowing in the face, the refs aren't doing much to protect Celtics players from it, and they are getting banged up from it. Get unlucky and one of these shots could end up causing a concussion or break a nose. I get why this is happening, I know it's hard for refs to actually make those calls especially in the playoffs, not blaming or insulting anyone, but a Bucks fan pretending it's exactly the same as Al Horford (legally) placing a forearm on Giannis while defending him in the post is not going to assuage my concern for my team's players' health or my frustration that the refs aren't doing much to protect against it. It is what it is. All I really want is for refs to sometimes call a common foul on the most blatantly reckless plays so that Giannis has to be a bit more mindful about protecting the players around him on the court.

[th87]

If Giannis was really as protected as many Celtics fans seem to think, the majority of these would be called fouls. Horford is the king of getting away with elbows and pushes - often times they're subtle but clear fouls, other times they're blatant. Refs are letting Boston be super aggressive, so of course he's going to be allowed to dish it back.

Horford elbowing Giannis in the ribs, also looks like Williams gets him from behind

Theis riding Giannis side/jumping into him

Horford riding Giannis back with an elbow

Horford grabbing Giannis shoulder

Grant Williams jumping into Giannis on a turnaround jumper

Horford left hand on Giannis back

Pritchard sitcking his knee into Giannis

Horford again sticks his elbow in Giannis

Williams hugs Giannis

Grant Williams runs horizontally under Giannis

Horford small shove on Giannis hip

Horford left arm push on Giannis back as he's attempting the shot

Grant kicks Giannis

Horford pushes Giannis hip on the drive

Spoiler:

[url=

Read on Twitter

?t=duQWRfvUyc-zRMFBtivY8Q&s=19]Williams elbows Giannis in ribs on putback[/url]

Brown cuts off his path, Theis jumps forward into Giannis

White catches Giannis in the face

Thank you for this. Horford's defensive "resurgence" is mainly because he's being allowed these subtle pushes and elbows to knock Giannis' balance off.

And then when Giannis tries to counter, we get East Coast bias clutching their pearls.

[Wooderson]

Spoiler:

If Giannis was really as protected as many Celtics fans seem to think, the majority of these would be called fouls. Horford is the king of getting away with elbows and pushes - often times they're subtle but clear fouls, other times they're blatant. Refs are letting Boston be super aggressive, so of course he's going to be allowed to dish it back.

Horford elbowing Giannis in the ribs, also looks like Williams gets him from behind

Theis riding Giannis side/jumping into him

Horford riding Giannis back with an elbow

Horford grabbing Giannis shoulder

Grant Williams jumping into Giannis on a turnaround jumper

Horford left hand on Giannis back

Pritchard sitcking his knee into Giannis

Horford again sticks his elbow in Giannis

Williams hugs Giannis

Grant Williams runs horizontally under Giannis

Horford small shove on Giannis hip

Horford left arm push on Giannis back as he's attempting the shot

Grant kicks Giannis

Horford pushes Giannis hip on the drive

Spoiler:

[url=

Read on Twitter

?t=duQWRfvUyc-zRMFBtivY8Q&s=19]Williams elbows Giannis in ribs on putback[/url]

Brown cuts off his path, Theis jumps forward into Giannis

White catches Giannis in the face

All I've learned from watching these clips is that you can't tell the difference between a dribbler elbowing a defender in the face and a set defender placing a bent forearm on the dribbler's body: https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/legal-post-defense-defender-maintains-legal-forearm-hand-with-bent-elbow/

I know it's hard for refs to actually make those calls especially in the playoffs, not blaming or insulting anyone, but a Bucks fan pretending it's exactly the same as Al Horford (legally) placing a forearm on Giannis while defending him in the post is not going to assuage my concern for my team's players' health or my frustration that the refs aren't doing much to protect against it. It is what it is. All I really want is for refs to sometimes call a common foul on the most blatantly reckless plays so that Giannis has to be a bit more mindful about protecting the players around him on the court.

The video you posted is for post defense with the offensive player backing down the defender. These two Giannis are attacking the rim and the contact is definitely not legal. If it was you would see defenders sticking their elbows into guys on every drive.

[Slax]

Spoiler:

If Giannis was really as protected as many Celtics fans seem to think, the majority of these would be called fouls. Horford is the king of getting away with elbows and pushes - often times they're subtle but clear fouls, other times they're blatant. Refs are letting Boston be super aggressive, so of course he's going to be allowed to dish it back.

Horford elbowing Giannis in the ribs, also looks like Williams gets him from behind

Theis riding Giannis side/jumping into him

Horford riding Giannis back with an elbow

Horford grabbing Giannis shoulder

Grant Williams jumping into Giannis on a turnaround jumper

Horford left hand on Giannis back

Pritchard sitcking his knee into Giannis

Horford again sticks his elbow in Giannis

Williams hugs Giannis

Grant Williams runs horizontally under Giannis

Horford small shove on Giannis hip

Horford left arm push on Giannis back as he's attempting the shot

Grant kicks Giannis

Horford pushes Giannis hip on the drive

Spoiler:

[url=

Read on Twitter

?t=duQWRfvUyc-zRMFBtivY8Q&s=19]Williams elbows Giannis in ribs on putback[/url]

Brown cuts off his path, Theis jumps forward into Giannis

White catches Giannis in the face

All I've learned from watching these clips is that you can't tell the difference between a dribbler elbowing a defender in the face and a set defender placing a bent forearm on the dribbler's body: https://videorulebook.nba.com/archive/legal-post-defense-defender-maintains-legal-forearm-hand-with-bent-elbow/

I know it's hard for refs to actually make those calls especially in the playoffs, not blaming or insulting anyone, but a Bucks fan pretending it's exactly the same as Al Horford (legally) placing a forearm on Giannis while defending him in the post is not going to assuage my concern for my team's players' health or my frustration that the refs aren't doing much to protect against it. It is what it is. All I really want is for refs to sometimes call a common foul on the most blatantly reckless plays so that Giannis has to be a bit more mindful about protecting the players around him on the court.

The video you posted is for post defense with the offensive player backing down the defender. These two Giannis are attacking the rim and the contact is definitely not legal. If it was you would see defenders sticking their elbows into guys on every drive.

It's a bit hard to tell in the gifs, need you to link me to which of the original videos those two examples came from, but at a glance from these blurry gif's, if you call them strictly, first one I would call because Horford didn't have position between Giannis and the basket, Giannis was front to the basket, and on top of that his hand and forearm in the back appear to have impeded motion, second one looks like marginal incidental contact to the arm that did not impede Giannis's motion to the basket or the shot and should be a no-call (unless there's a hold or shove that I'm missing because of the angle/resolution/speed). Neither of those is an elbow to Giannis, and neither was a reckless play that could have caused injury. And like I said, I'm not concerned with foul disparity or Giannis playing physical, refs are not screwing over the Celtics this series, frankly I am frustrated by the Celtics fans who are insisting that is the case. I just want better protection against players getting banged up from reckless or dangerous plays.

[skones]

I'm sorry but this is just straight up embarrassing.

You've done your fair share of complaining about refs this series. Pot meet kettle.

[Antinomy]

Out of all the Bucks previous playoff opponents, Celtics have to be the most pathetic in terms of whining about the refs.

They’ve command into this series pumping their chest about bullying the Nets, then turned into the Jolly Green Midget once Giannis started punishing them.