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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1041 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:14 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!



Absolutely right. Use our size to our advantage. No way Draymond can consistently guard Ayton. The Warriors defense would have to collapse on Ayton which should lead to open shots for the rest of the lineup.


Green is probably one of the better defenders on Ayton. One of the best, smartest, longest, thickest defenders in the game. But if Ayton is confident in his hook shot and repeatedly does that, Draymond can't do much against that.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1042 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:19 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!


They didn't really play big...I mean JJJ is a lot bigger (at least longer and taller) PF than we have, but he's a perimeter 3 pt shooter. Adams is their only guy on offense in the middle. And he doesn't score.

They beat them with 3 pt shooting and defense. 18 3s made at 44%.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1043 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:22 am

I'm not totally sure I'd be more afraid of the Warriors than the Grizzlies. Remember the Grizzlies had no problem with us when they sat 4 starters and Jones against us. I think it was Brooks and then all other bench guys...seems like it wasn't that close either.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1044 » by bwoolf2 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:34 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!


They didn't really play big...I mean JJJ is a lot bigger (at least longer and taller) PF than we have, but he's a perimeter 3 pt shooter. Adams is their only guy on offense in the middle. And he doesn't score.

They beat them with 3 pt shooting and defense. 18 3s made at 44%.
McGee.

They played a lot of Anderson, Adam's JJJ, Clark ans those combinations those are Long front lines
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Post#1045 » by starbosa10 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:37 am

bwgood77 wrote:I'm not totally sure I'd be more afraid of the Warriors than the Grizzlies. Remember the Grizzlies had no problem with us when they sat 4 starters and Jones against us. I think it was Brooks and then all other bench guys...seems like it wasn't that close either.


Both will be tough outs, just got to take care of business vs Dallas and let the chips fall. No WCF opponent would be easy. Even clips without Kawhi pushed us to 6 and we needed that crazy alley oop to DA to win Game 2
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1046 » by thamadkant » Thu May 12, 2022 4:38 am

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RunDogGun wrote:If Poole isn't suspended, then the league needs to explain to the fans why there are certain rules for some teams and other teams don't have to follow those rules, which teams those are, and why those teams are chosen.


NBA wants Warriors vs Bucks finals or Celtics at least.

Warriors is their golden child at the moment since Lakers Amber Heard'd the bed.

The one saving grace of having Memphis play GS instead of Minny, is the players. Players can really throw a monkey wrench into the league's desires. It was the one thing I loved about Lebron and Bosh going to Miami years ago, they forced the league to alter what has seemed to be their plans for decades. Then it seemed that Lebron figured that out, and went to one of the darling teams of the league. But even the league couldn't fix Mr. Glass, and the trading that handcuffed the Lakers.


Who is Mr Glass?
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Post#1047 » by thamadkant » Thu May 12, 2022 4:43 am

In all honesty the way the bench has just crapped the bed has me doubting Suns returning to the finals or even at risk of going to WCF.

Payne is critical to the suns run and he has crapped the bed 11 games into the playoffs... he's had one good game.

Cameron Johnson has redeemed himself in the last two games but he is also playing inferior to his pre-injury self.

Torrey Craig has looked like a 12th man off th3 bench albeit will be used more against big wings like Giannis and Tatum.

Crowder raised his game against Mavericks so he's also redeemed so far...but every other role players have looked disappointing.

Add to that CP3 who has not looked like himself the last 3 games.... something is up with him, he is not usually bothered by any form of defense so I'm thinking he's injured or has something bothering him.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1048 » by thamadkant » Thu May 12, 2022 4:46 am

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Qwigglez wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!



Absolutely right. Use our size to our advantage. No way Draymond can consistently guard Ayton. The Warriors defense would have to collapse on Ayton which should lead to open shots for the rest of the lineup.


Green is probably one of the better defenders on Ayton. One of the best, smartest, longest, thickest defenders in the game. But if Ayton is confident in his hook shot and repeatedly does that, Draymond can't do much against that.


Draymond Green can stop the ball getting to Ayton during those CP3 last second dish as Green anticipates that. What Monty needs is to get Ayton get a clean catch 10 feet away from the ring as Green no matter how good he is defensively cannot stop an Ayton hook... assuming Ayton doesn't bring the ball down as he turns.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1049 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu May 12, 2022 4:48 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!


They didn't really play big...I mean JJJ is a lot bigger (at least longer and taller) PF than we have, but he's a perimeter 3 pt shooter. Adams is their only guy on offense in the middle. And he doesn't score.

They beat them with 3 pt shooting and defense. 18 3s made at 44%.


That frontcourt with both Jackson Jr and Steven Adams are both 6'11, So they're significantly bigger than anything Golden state has. Jackson Jr blocked and intimidated a lot of shots and Adam's has given them a dominant big to give them the rebounding edge ( 55 - 37 edge/ offensive edge was 18-4 ). Also the points in the paint were ( 50-36). Adams, similar to Valuncias in that he had timely putbacks, but also kept the Warriors from getting multiple possessions which could've gotten them into a much better rythym.

Shaq, chuck, Kenny and Charles were emphasizing how having Adams has helped them cut down the Warriors ability to score in the paint as effectively. That to a fair degree helps teams stay in the game if the opposition is a dominant perimeter team. Especially if they're struggling. As easy scores/possessions build confidence in struggling shooters. Then they started hitting from the outside more and could compete much better against the Warriors.

The biggest advantage against the Warriors is clearly utilizing size disparity to draw fouls, dominate the glass and points in the paint to offset their outside shooting. And more so if they happen to struggle from the perimeter. Although overall they did outwork the Warriors in most all categories anyways too. But regardless, that's the Warriors weakness (frontcourt size) as your just not going to outshooting them very often if at all. So you have to find easy opportunities to stay close and generate offense. :nod:
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1050 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu May 12, 2022 4:53 am

thamadkant wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
thamadkant wrote:
NBA wants Warriors vs Bucks finals or Celtics at least.

Warriors is their golden child at the moment since Lakers Amber Heard'd the bed.

The one saving grace of having Memphis play GS instead of Minny, is the players. Players can really throw a monkey wrench into the league's desires. It was the one thing I loved about Lebron and Bosh going to Miami years ago, they forced the league to alter what has seemed to be their plans for decades. Then it seemed that Lebron figured that out, and went to one of the darling teams of the league. But even the league couldn't fix Mr. Glass, and the trading that handcuffed the Lakers.


Who is Mr Glass?


Anthony Davis. :nod:
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1051 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:57 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!


They didn't really play big...I mean JJJ is a lot bigger (at least longer and taller) PF than we have, but he's a perimeter 3 pt shooter. Adams is their only guy on offense in the middle. And he doesn't score.

They beat them with 3 pt shooting and defense. 18 3s made at 44%.
McGee.

They played a lot of Anderson, Adam's JJJ, Clark ans those combinations those are Long front lines


Clarke's not long. Half the people here didn't want him because of his absurdly short wing span. They do have some length, playing a C with JJJ or Anderson, and Clarke is a good defender, but honestly it's their whole team...they are a great defensive team, always close out on shooters with both arms up, and they killed it shooting from 3 themselves. You hit close to 20 3s at 44%, you'll beat anyone, especially when you play D like they do.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1052 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu May 12, 2022 5:02 am

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Absolutely right. Use our size to our advantage. No way Draymond can consistently guard Ayton. The Warriors defense would have to collapse on Ayton which should lead to open shots for the rest of the lineup.


Green is probably one of the better defenders on Ayton. One of the best, smartest, longest, thickest defenders in the game. But if Ayton is confident in his hook shot and repeatedly does that, Draymond can't do much against that.


Draymond Green can stop the ball getting to Ayton during those CP3 last second dish as Green anticipates that. What Monty needs is to get Ayton get a clean catch 10 feet away from the ring as Green no matter how good he is defensively cannot stop an Ayton hook... assuming Ayton doesn't bring the ball down as he turns.


Or you just look to switch Green onto another big forcing him off of Ayton. And then let Ayton destroy that other player in the paint? Maybe you switch Green off to Crowder or Johnson wherein he can't offer drop coverage easily for fear of giving up an open three? If Doncic and Dallas can switch us up continually, then we can do the same to Green to get him distanced from Ayton a bit. And IF Green does stick to Ayton, and we go big at times with Biyombo or McGee, then who else on the Warriors is gonna beat them on the glass or in the post??? :dontknow:
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Post#1053 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 5:14 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Whether the Warriors showed up or not tonight, You still have a clear blueprint for how to beat them! You dominate the paint, pound it inside and win the rebounding edge! If everything falls right for us, we could feasibly beat Golden state using that scheme. PLAY BIG AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEY'RE LACK OF SIZE!!! Ayton and McGee or Ayton/ Biyombo with big minutes. But Ayton will have to have his best series of the playoffs for us to stand a chance!


They didn't really play big...I mean JJJ is a lot bigger (at least longer and taller) PF than we have, but he's a perimeter 3 pt shooter. Adams is their only guy on offense in the middle. And he doesn't score.

They beat them with 3 pt shooting and defense. 18 3s made at 44%.


That frontcourt with both Jackson Jr and Steven Adams are both 6'11, So they're significantly bigger than anything Golden state has. Jackson Jr blocked and intimidated a lot of shots and Adam's has given them a dominant big to give them the rebounding edge ( 55 - 37 edge/ offensive edge was 18-4 ). Also the points in the paint were ( 50-36). Similar to Valuncias in that he had timely putbacks, but also kept the Warriors from getting multiple possessions which could've gotten them into a much better rythym.

Shaq, chuck, Kenny and Charles were emphasizing how having Adams has helped them cut down the Warriors ability to score in the paint as effectively. That to a fair degree helps teams stay in the game if the opposition is a dominant perimeter team. Especially if they're struggling. As easy scores/possessions build confidence in struggling shooters. Then they started hitting from the outside more and could compete much better against the Warriors.

The biggest advantage against the Warriors is clearly utilizing size disparity to draw fouls, dominate the glass and points in the paint to offset their outside shooting. And more so if they happen to struggle from the perimeter. Although overall they did outwork the Warriors in most all categories anyways too. But regardless, that's the Warriors weakness (frontcourt size) as your just not going to outshooting them very often if at all. So you have to find easy opportunities to stay close and generate offense. :nod:


Adams and JJJ each had 4 pts in the paint.

Adams is just big and tough, and can outmuscle anyone. JJJ scored mostly from 3. I am not entirely sure why the Warriors are starting Kuminga now when they started Looney all year and he has a 7'4 wingspan.

Anyway, like I mentioned above, it was the Grizzlies shooting that made them tough. They did get points in the paint which are easier to come by when you are also nailing 3s because defenses are less likely to cheat off, so Tyus Jones can drive and score or drive and dish....so he can get a lot of points at the rim. Jones had 8 pts in the paint and Brooks had 6.

It's their reserves that score in the paint outside of Jones. Clarke and Anderson each had 6 in the paint. They are not 3 pt shooters so when they come in from the bench it's them, but they are subbing in for the bigs...Kyle Anderson came in for Adams and Clarke for JJJ.

The thing is, it's their starters who built the huge lead with all those 3s and Tyus Jones driving and dishing or hitting 3s himself. He was their primary paint scorer as a starter, with Brooks next.

If you notice, it's the starters who built the lead were all in the +30s and 40s...Clarke was at 20...but Anderson was at 2.

Their starters built the lead shooting over 50% from 3 and the reserves maintained it..but most of the points in the paint from starters were Jones (8) and Brooks (6). Adams and JJJ each had 4 in the paint.

So I don't think size really beat them at all. Adams rebounding was nice and he is tough, but they play hard nosed defense, and the main thing is shooting a high volume of 3s at 44%.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1054 » by dmastro32 » Thu May 12, 2022 7:12 am

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First playoff jitters? Though I guess they were in them last year.

Pretty crazy they are 4-20 from 3 themselves, shooting 35% overall and winning.
He made 27 3's against minny.
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Post#1056 » by NapoleonII » Thu May 12, 2022 2:27 pm

Hopefully we're getting a lot of good film to use against GSW.

I'd love for Memphis to take them out, but I don't see it happening. Too much experience, too much money too for the league getting GSW at least to the conference finals.

But the 3 ball could change things. If Memphis hits 16+ threes again on 40% shooting, there's nothing the refs or Draymond can do.
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Post#1057 » by NapoleonII » Thu May 12, 2022 2:36 pm

Bobby Portis for 4m a year was such an incredible signing by the Bucks.
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Post#1058 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 2:39 pm

NapoleonII wrote:Bobby Portis for 4m a year was such an incredible signing by the Bucks.


So was getting Jrue...for Bledsoe?

Jrue disrespected in trades. First for MCW and Noel....then Bledsoe.
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Post#1059 » by wheezy » Thu May 12, 2022 3:10 pm

Bucks gave up a LOT of picks for Jrue though.
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Post#1060 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu May 12, 2022 3:35 pm

Milwaukee beating Boston 3 times without Middleton is super impressive, they're tracking as good as anyone.

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