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How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason?

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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#201 » by Archx » Tue May 10, 2022 6:27 pm

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wco81 wrote:On paper it's true you want someone bigger to be a shot creator alternative to Luka.

However, the Mavs wouldn't be tied at 2-2 against the Suns if not for Brunson.

They may not have beaten the Jazz if not for Brunson either, depending on when Luka would have come back and how well he played.

Brunson's play in the Utah series may have bought Luka a game or two, which is almost an additional week. That may have allowed him to recover and account for his performance vs. the Suns.

I don't know what kind of cap space the Mavs have next season and beyond. But they have a really team-friendly deal for DFS. But the contracts for THJ and Bertans may be tough.

At this point, does Brunson getting say $18 million a year for 4 years vs. $25 million a year for 4 years matter as far as the Mavs' ability to add players who would command $10-15 million a year?

If that extra $7 million doesn't clear enough cap space, then you're arguing how much luxury tax Cuban has to pay.


Mavs have ZERO cap even if they don't sign Brunson. So if they let him go it would be literally for nothing. Cuban made a mistake when Jalen's dad wanted around 15M per year and Mavs said no, now they'll have to pay a much bigger price. It basically means if they don't trade THJ, Dinwiddie, Bertans they can't do anything with the roster. It will be really hard to move those pieces as they are mostly negative players. But anything is possible, we'll see. Only thing clear is the fact that Mavs will pay around 100/4 for Brunson... well, depending on how this series with Suns ends but he won't be cheaper than 20M per year, that's for sure.


If they beat the Suns, that would be clear progress and a reason to keep the roster, though getting rid of bad contracts would help.

They won their first series with this Luka core just a week or two ago and they're competing with the top seed in the league.

It may come down to how sustainable this hot shooting is. They were hot in the first couple of games vs. the Clippers last year and then cooled way down. They shot really well vs. the Jazz and then were cold in the first two games vs. the Suns and then shot the lights out in the last two games.

If they could get consistent 37-38% or better as a team from 3, they would be as competitive as any team. Would be good to have a defensive 4/5 but then again, surrounding Luka with shooters including a couple of defensive wings can work very well.

Question is how sustainable is the hot shooting? And who creates shots for himself or others when Luka sits? Yeah if Brunson was 4 inches taller he'd be ideal. But then his body type might not be as stout for him to sort of bully players 6-3 and under.


Yes 3pt shooting and defensive wings are perfect for this team. But don't forget that Mavs would probably have won this series if they had a proper rim protector. Even a guy like Gobert could do wonders for this team. They do play without their 3rd best scorer THJ, so they're missing quite a lot of offensive punch but Bullock is doing a very solid job on defense and THJ is very weak on that end.

So all in all, they'll still have to find a center that can rebound and play defense, that should be and will be their nr1 priority. How they will find that type of player is going to be interesting to see. But fact is, they won't be able to keep THJ, Powell, Bertans and possibly Dinwiddie if they resign Brunson and go after a center. Those 4 players i mentioned are all paid from 11M up to 20M. That's a ton of cap space for mediocre role guys.
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#202 » by BlueSan » Wed May 11, 2022 7:16 pm

10-15 mils

Based on what we saw in the postseason and not a penny more. Is that fair? :D
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#203 » by Michaellam1987 » Thu May 12, 2022 2:39 am

If you look at the recent history of the team winning the championship, your best player must be a 2 way player, or at least above average defensively, with the exceptions of GSW, but GSW has really superier talent at the time. The only exception may be already the 2011 DAL, but that time, Dirk is surrounded by elite defenders (G/C/F) like Tyson/Shawn/J Kidd. Now Luka is obviously bad defender, and we can't afford to spend too much money to resign Brunson, who is also below a average defender, we need $$ for our defensive update at the C position. Actually still seriously brothered by how much useless money spent on our role players.........
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#204 » by Darren » Thu May 12, 2022 8:30 am

I think 20M is right. At least, it is not untradeable. For comparison, Brunson is actually outplaying Aaron Gordon in playoff. Technically, Brunson is looking for 20M by trade deadline.
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Post#205 » by Bob8 » Thu May 12, 2022 9:32 am

Darren wrote:I think 20M is right. At least, it is not untradeable. For comparison, Brunson is actually outplaying Aaron Gordon in playoff. Technically, Brunson is looking for 20M by trade deadline.


Unfortunately he will demand and get more.

Funny how people imply that players playing with Luka don't get the ball enough, but strangely enough, all are getting paid a lot.
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Post#206 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu May 12, 2022 10:04 am

I think Luka&Brunson chemistry will improve next year, I'm ok for trying this roster another year with a real C (plus a backup who can play, Boban takes more money than Biyombo and he can't play. Stupid Cuban) and another 3&D who can play( unless Grenn will improve a lot).
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#207 » by Archx » Thu May 12, 2022 11:02 am

Bob8 wrote:Funny how people imply that players playing with Luka don't get the ball enough, but strangely enough, all are getting paid a lot.


:lol: That is so true haha...All core players - THJ, DFS and now Brunson everyone got a raise for playing better. Well THJ technically was paid the same but still, wasn't paid less at least. I can't remember how and when Maxi and Powell were extended but i'm pretty sure Maxi also got a nice raise.
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Post#208 » by arkuo » Thu May 12, 2022 11:24 am

Think about this. Same lineup, but exchange Brunson with Brogdon. Does it improve the team overall? Becauae Brogdon is already on the trade block and it has been mentioned that Indiana likes Brunson.
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Post#209 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu May 12, 2022 12:19 pm

Brogdon is always injury... I don't want risk another KP situation.

THJ from the bench with this lineup + a strong C could lethal.
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Post#210 » by arkuo » Thu May 12, 2022 12:44 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Brogdon is always injury... I don't want risk another KP situation.

THJ from the bench with this lineup + a strong C could lethal.



Indiana is really an ideal trade partner because they have Myles Turner. With Turner in this existing lineup in this series, Ayton won't know who to guard with a 5 out offense.
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Post#211 » by Bob8 » Thu May 12, 2022 12:48 pm

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41Dirk41 wrote:Brogdon is always injury... I don't want risk another KP situation.

THJ from the bench with this lineup + a strong C could lethal.



Indiana is really an ideal trade partner because they have Myles Turner. With Turner in this existing lineup in this series, Ayton won't know who to guard with a 5 out offense.


Brunson has to agree, I don't see him going there.
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Post#212 » by arkuo » Thu May 12, 2022 1:10 pm

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41Dirk41 wrote:Brogdon is always injury... I don't want risk another KP situation.

THJ from the bench with this lineup + a strong C could lethal.



Indiana is really an ideal trade partner because they have Myles Turner. With Turner in this existing lineup in this series, Ayton won't know who to guard with a 5 out offense.


Brunson has to agree, I don't see him going there.


If Indiana is looking to part with Brogdon, that means they are looking at a secondary ballhandler for Haliburton. Mavs just have to hope that the Pacers think highly of Dinwiddie based on his regular season success. This way you can freely trade Dinwiddie + Kleber for Turner.

Then send Brunson to the Knicks for Alec Burks and Kemba. SIgn Thad Young for the MLE. Everybody seems to get what they want.

C- Turner / Powell / Chriss
PF- DFS / Young / Bertans
SF- Bullock / THJ / Bertans
SG- Doncic / Green / THJ
PG- Burks / Kemba / Ntlikina

Burks is 6'6 and can guard bigger guards that Brunson can't. You got a rotation of 3&D guys with Burks, Bullock, DFS, Young and Turner. That's ideal IMO.
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Post#213 » by Mavrelous » Thu May 12, 2022 1:18 pm

I really don't see the team giving up on Brunson, and I don't see him getting 120/4, he'll re-sign to something between 80-100 depending on Nico's negotiationg skills
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Post#214 » by Bob8 » Thu May 12, 2022 1:29 pm

KhalilS wrote:I really don't see the team giving up on Brunson, and I don't see him getting 120/4, he'll re-sign to something between 80-100 depending on Nico's negotiationg skills


They probably can sign him for 100, but you will have insane expensive roster, with big holes still unaddressed.

Brunson is potentially very good ticket to solve problems with bigs. I would rather used Dinwiddie for that, but I kinda doubt, he can bring much.
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Post#215 » by Mavrelous » Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm

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KhalilS wrote:I really don't see the team giving up on Brunson, and I don't see him getting 120/4, he'll re-sign to something between 80-100 depending on Nico's negotiationg skills


They probably can sign him for 100, but you will have insane expensive roster, with big holes still unaddressed.

Brunson is potentially very good ticket to solve problems with bigs. I would rather used Dinwiddie for that, but I kinda doubt, he can bring much.


Mavs have ~22millions in expiring contracts (excluding Maxi), Bullock (doubt he's traded) and Dinwiddie are partially guaranteed next year and can find many suitors, they have their 22 1st rd pick, and future pickss, so they have a lot of trading chips, they'll trade for a center, and they'll roll the dice with THJ, if he returns to form, they can trade him at the deadline for another forward.
It is expensive, but it's due to Donnie/Cuban stupidity in hadning contracts (Powell, Burke and Boban had no business being guaranteed 18 millions the year Luka's extension kicks in).
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#216 » by Bob8 » Thu May 12, 2022 1:44 pm

How did you get 22 mio in expiring contracts?
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Post#217 » by Archx » Thu May 12, 2022 1:47 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Brogdon is always injury... I don't want risk another KP situation.

THJ from the bench with this lineup + a strong C could lethal.


This will be a huge "What if" moving forward. Mavs desperately need someone like THJ who can go hot in a second and you won't even notice he already has 20 points lol...

I was actually surprised Bertans didn't get more minutes because he's also one of those players that can score 15 points in a hurry. When DFS and Bullock are not getting their shots up, Mavs have no offense left besides Luka and Brunson.
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#218 » by Mavrelous » Thu May 12, 2022 2:02 pm

Bob8 wrote:How did you get 22 mio in expiring contracts?

Powell ~12
Boban 3.5
Burke 3.5
Brown 3
Chriss 2
it's actually 24
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Re: How Much Is Jalen Brunson Worth In The Offseason? 

Post#219 » by wco81 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:44 pm

When Brunson has the ball, Luka stands the other end of the court and just watches.

So it's a my turn, your turn offense.

Does Luka shoot well on catch and shoot 3s? Otherwise he seems to see those possession as a chance for him to take a break.

A reporter, maybe Kevin O'Connor, said early in the season or in the preseason, he asked Luka about working offball and Luka looked at him like he was a Martian.
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Post#220 » by Bob8 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:55 pm

wco81 wrote:When Brunson has the ball, Luka stands the other end of the court and just watches.

So it's a my turn, your turn offense.

Does Luka shoot well on catch and shoot 3s? Otherwise he seems to see those possession as a chance for him to take a break.

A reporter, maybe Kevin O'Connor, said early in the season or in the preseason, he asked Luka about working offball and Luka looked at him like he was a Martian.


Luka and Brunson are wrong combination more because of D than offense. Jrue would be perfect for Luka, even Smart would be much better. Even if Mavs sign Brunson, that can't be long term solution.

Luka has played off ball a lot in Europe. First with Llull in Real and then in Eurobasket with Dragic. But playing off ball with Brunson doesn't even make sense, because Luka is much better facilitator than Brunson.

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