2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Ell Curry]

Birch Flynn Svi + future 2nd for Holmes

Give us that big body 5 to replace Birch that we need. Not good enough/not paid high enough to demand starting minutes, so he can perfectly come off the bench behind anyone.

He won his custody battle so no real image concerns either. Win win

hmmm....

I wonder if birch plus 33 and filler like svi is enough?

Seems like a reasonable trade for both sides, no?

Nah, Kings pick 37 and 49. I don't think #33 works for them really, unless they can turn 33 and 37 into like the 22nd pick and get a good forward prospect, which they need badly.

They'll probably look to do something like Holmes and 37 for Memphis' #22 or Nets #23 (tougher they have to take Joe Harris) or Minnesota's #19. Even if they get Sochan or Keegan Murray at #7, they still need an athletic forward to replace Harrison Barnes next year, after rolling out a Fox-Mitchell-Rookie-Barnes-Sabonis lineup and then moving Barnes at the deadline when they're like 28 and 35 and barely hanging on in the play-in race.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Duncan Robinson is the guy we need to get on the cheaps

Cheap and Duncan Robinson are a oxymoron no way does Toronto take that contract. Your on the hook for $60 million plus over the next three years for a 10 ppg scorer who can't play defense. Unless The Heat are giving Toronto multiple 1sts I stay far away

I was just looking around the league to flip the Birch + Flynn + Svi combo. Holmes is a much better option to pursue with those assets instead.

Well you don't trade expiring contracts for a guy whose collecting DNP's because his defense is atrocious and his contract is equally as bad. I just don't see Toronto wanting to acquire Duncan Robinson for that kind of deal, they really don't need them at all it's not like he's a elite sharp shooter like people are making him out to be. As it is you have to pay Freddy and Trent Jr after the next season and having Duncan on the books for $20 million for the next 2 years hinders this. You also have to give Achiuwa a new deal and factor in Boucher and Thad Young.

[Asif16]

players we should target with the MLE:
Tyus Jones, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington

Tyus Jones sure.

Wayne Ellington is cooked. That dude is Minimum level. Not MLE lol

he still shot 39% on 3s on 5 attempts. he's been a very consistent 3pt shooter for many years now. would love to have him on our bench as a specialist to space the floor

also, you can use a portion of the MLE to sign different players

Those numbers were for a very small sample size. He was DNP for most of the season. He doesn't do anything else on the floor good other than shooting.

I understand we can use the portion of the MLE to sign players, but I'd rather use that on someone else. I'll only take Ellington on a vet min contract

[Asif16]

I'm not so sure Malachi Flynn is all that available. Masai made it seem like he expects a big jump from Flynn next year. Who knows.

I'm just interested to see if there is anything we can get for Birch + Svi + Pick.

[Jtoneller1]

I would come out hot and heavy and overpay for Otto Porter and/or Delon Wright. We've seen enough of this frugal/reclamation MLE splitting ****. Just pay what it takes to get a legit 7-9 roster guy who fits what we do defensively while helping in an offensive deficiency (shooting/guard play)

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[agkagk]

I would come out hot and heavy and overpay for Otto Porter and/or Delon Wright. We've seen enough of this frugal/reclamation MLE splitting ****. Just pay what it takes to get a legit 7-9 roster guy who fits what we do defensively while helping in an offensive deficiency (shooting/guard play)

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As boring as delon wright is, he’s a very good fit for our bench. Versatile enough that he Doesn’t block Flynn or Banton and can probably mentor them some.

[Bruin]

I would love to sign Tyus Jones and trade Fred for a better fit at the 5. Tyus is actually a steady PG unlike “Steady Freddy”

Rarely turns it over and can run an offense

[Psubs]

I would love to sign Tyus Jones and trade Fred for a better fit at the 5. Tyus is actually a steady PG unlike “Steady Freddy”

Rarely turns it over and can run an offense

lol was just going to post this. All the Raptors can offer is the MLE for 4 years with max raises. Is there any way that Memphis doesn't offer him the same?

[Madhouse]

I would love to sign Tyus Jones and trade Fred for a better fit at the 5. Tyus is actually a steady PG unlike “Steady Freddy”

Rarely turns it over and can run an offense

issue is that we don't have cap space and he commands more than MLE

[Kingsway_fan]

I would love to sign Tyus Jones and trade Fred for a better fit at the 5. Tyus is actually a steady PG unlike “Steady Freddy”

Rarely turns it over and can run an offense

issue is that we don't have cap space and he commands more than MLE

We need to unload dead weight Birch, svi,Flynn...

[Morris_Shatford]

I'm not so sure Malachi Flynn is all that available. Masai made it seem like he expects a big jump from Flynn next year. Who knows.

I tend to agree;
The kid is making 2.14m next season and occasionally can look like he is an NBA player.

With Flynn I think its a matter of his value as an end of the bench guard for around 2m is likely higher to the Raps than it would be on the open market to another team.

[douggood]

I would love to sign Tyus Jones and trade Fred for a better fit at the 5. Tyus is actually a steady PG unlike “Steady Freddy”

Rarely turns it over and can run an offense

issue is that we don't have cap space and he commands more than MLE

We need to unload dead weight Birch, svi,Flynn...

its also the opportunity cost lost of trying to create cap space.

pascal/fvv/trent/og/barnes make $100, throw in achiuwa banton champagine thats 105 (cap is 120$)
so you could get up to 14-15 mil cap space but would have to walk away form birch/svi/flynn and also renounce boucher + thad and lose out on MLE + BAE

tyus jones 4 year $60-64 + trading away couple seconds (cost of dumping birch/svi/flynn) + fill out rosters with only minimums

OR

have MLE and BAE to use+ resign lets just say one of boucher/thad (could resign both) + keep flynn/birch/svi

[Psubs]

Phil Jackson wants to keep Westbrook and trade Lebron! lmao

Would you trade Pascal, Trent and 2023 1st pick (no protection) for Lebronto? That looks like a Kawhi level rental trade! II guess L.A. would have to include THT to make the salaries work. Maybe send Flynn back to them?

Pascal, Trent, Flynn and 2023 1st pick (no protection) for Lebron and THT.

PG FVV - Banton - Brooks/DJ
SG OG - THT - Champagnie
SF Barnes - Lebron - Champagnie
PF Lebron - Thadd - Precious
C Precious - Boucher/Birch

On offense, Lebron and Scottie running point with Fred spotting up to nail 3's!

[KL78192020]

Cheap and Duncan Robinson are a oxymoron no way does Toronto take that contract. Your on the hook for $60 million plus over the next three years for a 10 ppg scorer who can't play defense. Unless The Heat are giving Toronto multiple 1sts I stay far away

I was just looking around the league to flip the Birch + Flynn + Svi combo. Holmes is a much better option to pursue with those assets instead.

Well you don't trade expiring contracts for a guy whose collecting DNP's because its defense is atrocious and his contract is equally as bad. I just don't see Toronto wanting to acquire Duncan Robinson for that kind of deal, they really don't need them at all it's not like he's a white so sharp shooter like people are making him out to be. As it is you have to pay Freddy and Trent Jr after the next season and having Duncan on the books for $20 million for the next 2 years hinders this. You also have to give Achiuwa a new deal and factor in Boucher and Thad Young.

The only way to do that deal is if Miami is throwing in first round picks lol. They would be happy to dump that contract at no cost. A team like OKC could take on Duncan for Miami's 2022 1st round pick.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Throwing out some ideas
** I can't remember, for S&T can you combine salaries or is it only one for one?

S&T Lavine for GTJ + 1st + fillers
OG for Turner

FVV
Lavine
SB
PS
Turner

Could be an interesting team

[Gavin_TDThree]

I'm not so sure Malachi Flynn is all that available. Masai made it seem like he expects a big jump from Flynn next year. Who knows.

I'm just interested to see if there is anything we can get for Birch + Svi + Pick.

I get the same impression. Seems like they expect Flynn to be a rotation guy next year

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Throwing out some ideas
** I can't remember, for S&T can you combine salaries or is it only one for one?

S&T Lavine for GTJ + 1st + fillers
OG for Turner

FVV
Lavine
SB
PS
Turner

Could be an interesting team

they would have done OG of Turner but they traded Sabonis already. that ship sailed at the trade deadline last year.

and if they had to choose between Haliburton or OG, they'd probably pick Haliburton because they don't have a good PG.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Throwing out some ideas
** I can't remember, for S&T can you combine salaries or is it only one for one?

S&T Lavine for GTJ + 1st + fillers
OG for Turner

FVV
Lavine
SB
PS
Turner

Could be an interesting team

they would have done OG of Turner but they traded Sabonis already. that ship sailed at the trade deadline last year.

and if they had to choose between Haliburton or OG, they'd probably pick Haliburton because they don't have a good PG.

I wonder if the lotto balls fall in their favour and they nab someone like Chet, Smith, or Banchero if Turner would still be unavailable.

[Asif16]

I'm not so sure Malachi Flynn is all that available. Masai made it seem like he expects a big jump from Flynn next year. Who knows.

I'm just interested to see if there is anything we can get for Birch + Svi + Pick.

I get the same impression. Seems like they expect Flynn to be a rotation guy next year

Yeah same. I think they feel like Flynn has the FVV type of jump potential.

But it needs to start with Nurse giving consistent minutes or else its a waste. With them admitting they need to be safer with Fred's minutes next year so they don't wear him out....they Want flynn to take that jump.

Thats my understanding from the Year-end Interviews

[Gavin_TDThree]

I'm not so sure Malachi Flynn is all that available. Masai made it seem like he expects a big jump from Flynn next year. Who knows.

I'm just interested to see if there is anything we can get for Birch + Svi + Pick.

I get the same impression. Seems like they expect Flynn to be a rotation guy next year

Yeah same. I think they feel like Flynn has the FVV type of jump potential.

But it needs to start with Nurse giving consistent minutes or else its a waste. With them admitting they need to be safer with Fred's minutes next year so they don't wear him out....they Want flynn to take that jump.

Thats my understanding from the Year-end Interviews

I don't have the stats in front of me so I'm going purely off the eye test, but when Flynn was getting consistent time when FVV was out, he was looking pretty good. You could see the potential. When his minutes are inconsistent he seems to really struggle. Maybe a fear of making mistakes and losing his minutes?