Joel: unchained.

[marcush]

Feel bad for Jo once again. Has never had a competent FO.

[ankle420breaker]

Feel bad for Jo once again. Has never had a competent FO.

He's an imposter who folds in the playoffs. This series was over when he showed up to game 5 on the rag.

Zero competitive fire when it counts and its one of the most disappointing things I've had to come to terms with in basketball. Joel doesn't have the gumption to get through a finish line.

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[marcush]

Feel bad for Jo once again. Has never had a competent FO.

He's an imposter who folds in the playoffs. This series was over when he showed up to game 5 on the rag.

Zero competitive fire when it counts and its one of the most disappointing things I've had to come to terms with in basketball. Joel doesn't have the gumption to get through a finish line.

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Sounds as though you are are confusing playing injured with zero competitive fire.

I guess we could always get rid of the uncompetitive guy and go back to 30 win seasons.

[Ferry Avenue]

Feel bad for Jo once again. Has never had a competent FO.

He's an imposter who folds in the playoffs. This series was over when he showed up to game 5 on the rag.

Zero competitive fire when it counts and its one of the most disappointing things I've had to come to terms with in basketball. Joel doesn't have the gumption to get through a finish line.

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Embiid is the "Derrick Henry" who needs a top QB to win a championship. He's one of the best players in the league, as is Henry, but the league functions in such a way that a top player at a more important position is needed for a championship. The presence of that player would also allow Embiid to play the second fiddle role he's more comfortable in, emotionally speaking.

The Embiid/Butler pairing was ideal. The team made a huge mistake in letting Butler go.

[ankle420breaker]

Feel bad for Jo once again. Has never had a competent FO.

He's an imposter who folds in the playoffs. This series was over when he showed up to game 5 on the rag.

Zero competitive fire when it counts and its one of the most disappointing things I've had to come to terms with in basketball. Joel doesn't have the gumption to get through a finish line.

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Sounds as though you are are confusing playing injured with zero competitive fire.

I guess we could always get rid of the uncompetitive guy and go back to 30 win seasons.

I get that he's soldiering through injuries... that's what great players are supposed to do, but I'd rather he just sit out than show up deflated and play totally uninspired.

Embiid hitting the floor every time someone brushed by him was pathetic, over-dramatic, and soft basketball. Letting 37 year old PJ Tucker out hustle him all over the court the last two games was soft basketball, not doing the early work to fight for position down low was soft basketball.

Embiid is talented, but you have to have some killer in you to charge through the physicality of a playoff series. In that regard, Embiid is a total fraud. Not sure this is even debatable given his postseason history.

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[Ferry Avenue]

He's an imposter who folds in the playoffs. This series was over when he showed up to game 5 on the rag.

Zero competitive fire when it counts and its one of the most disappointing things I've had to come to terms with in basketball. Joel doesn't have the gumption to get through a finish line.

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Sounds as though you are are confusing playing injured with zero competitive fire.

I guess we could always get rid of the uncompetitive guy and go back to 30 win seasons.

I get that he's soldiering through injuries... that's what great players are supposed to do, but I'd rather he just sit out than show up deflated and play totally uninspired.

Embiid hitting the floor every time someone brushed by him was pathetic, over-dramatic, and soft basketball. Letting 37 year old PJ Tucker out hustle him all over the court the last two games was soft basketball, not doing the early work to fight for position down low was soft basketball.

Embiid is talented, but you have to have some killer in you to charge through the physicality of a playoff series. In that regard, Embiid is a total fraud. Not sure this is even debatable given his postseason history.

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None of that will change unless and until he wants a championship so bad that it makes him play like the dog necessary to win one. The team will need that from either him or some other player. Until then it won't come near winning even the conference finals, let alone the championship.

[marcush]

He's an imposter who folds in the playoffs. This series was over when he showed up to game 5 on the rag.

Zero competitive fire when it counts and its one of the most disappointing things I've had to come to terms with in basketball. Joel doesn't have the gumption to get through a finish line.

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Sounds as though you are are confusing playing injured with zero competitive fire.

I guess we could always get rid of the uncompetitive guy and go back to 30 win seasons.

I get that he's soldiering through injuries... that's what great players are supposed to do, but I'd rather he just sit out than show up deflated and play totally uninspired.

Embiid hitting the floor every time someone brushed by him was pathetic, over-dramatic, and soft basketball. Letting 37 year old PJ Tucker out hustle him all over the court the last two games was soft basketball, not doing the early work to fight for position down low was soft basketball.

Embiid is talented, but you have to have some killer in you to charge through the physicality of a playoff series. In that regard, Embiid is a total fraud. Not sure this is even debatable given his postseason history.

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I think it’s very much debatable that Embiid is a fraud.

For what it’s worth, I have never had expectations that Embiid would ever win a ring or that he was ever any better than any number of great players in the league. But he is a damn good player and it would be rediculous to just give up on him.

He’s had terrible luck with injuries during the playoffs and has been held back by incompetent FO’s.

[Ferry Avenue]

Sounds as though you are are confusing playing injured with zero competitive fire.

I guess we could always get rid of the uncompetitive guy and go back to 30 win seasons.

I get that he's soldiering through injuries... that's what great players are supposed to do, but I'd rather he just sit out than show up deflated and play totally uninspired.

Embiid hitting the floor every time someone brushed by him was pathetic, over-dramatic, and soft basketball. Letting 37 year old PJ Tucker out hustle him all over the court the last two games was soft basketball, not doing the early work to fight for position down low was soft basketball.

Embiid is talented, but you have to have some killer in you to charge through the physicality of a playoff series. In that regard, Embiid is a total fraud. Not sure this is even debatable given his postseason history.

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I think it’s very much debatable that Embiid is a fraud.

For what it’s worth, I have never had expectations that Embiid would ever win a ring or that he was ever any better than any number of great players in the league. But he is a damn good player and it would be rediculous to just give up on him.

He’s had terrible luck with injuries during the playoffs and has been held back by incompetent FO’s.

There should be no expectation that any single player will ever win a championship. The history of the league is filled with far more players who haven't won championships than ones who have. The probability that any single player in the league will win a championship is extremely low.

However, if a player fails to possess the characteristics necessary (but not sufficient) for a championship, then his probability of winning one plummets even further. Imagine for example the probability Ben Simmons has of winning a championship. He would need extraordinary surroundings that compensate for his own deficiencies for that to happen.

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid is a loser because he cares more about meaningless MVP, when it matters his effort is poor and he sucks.
We've tried many years already, and always second round fodder. He is not a leader. Why not trade him while his value is still really high? we need to start fresh, the common denominator to us being second round fodder is Joel Embiid.

[the_process]

Not in love with what Jo said about Harden, even though I know that was Jo's way of trying to stick up for him.

Joel is starting to get a toxic rep.

Yep. It's not great.

[rzzzzz]

Joel is not going to sugar coat anything, but he pulled his punches around Ben, until Ben refused the dunk and went hostile.
Joel didn’t go to the press when Brett pushed Jimmy out of here. Probably should of, given how much chemistry the two had.
Plus for all the whining about no good player wanting to come here, there’s Jimmy last night saying he still loves Philly.
Joel is no worse than runner-up MVP two years running, and loves the city. Don’t go f’ing it up with your whining.

[eyeatoma]

So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.

[Negrodamus]

Not in love with what Jo said about Harden, even though I know that was Jo's way of trying to stick up for him.

Joel is starting to get a toxic rep.

Yep. It's not great.

Butler was about to kill teammate Udonis Haslem mid game with his coach screaming at him asking if "he's crazy". He's about to go to the ECF.

If Joel's comments make him "toxic" then our entire team is Ben Simmons soft.

[the_process]

So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.

Well, after The Process the team ended up EXACTLY where they were trying to avoid: the treadmill.

Hard not to be so frustrated you just want to tear it all down and start over.

[Bum Adebayo]

Joel is starting to get a toxic rep.

Yep. It's not great.

Butler was about to kill teammate Udonis Haslem mid game with his coach screaming at him asking if "he's crazy". He's about to go to the ECF.

If Joel's comments make him "toxic" then our entire team is Ben Simmons soft.

Butler does that while playing good and not in an elimination game. Embiid does that while playing like garbage.

[mjkvol]

So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.

Only the clueless or butthurt trolls. Before I even came on last night I actually put a couple on ignore because of the stupid takes that are sure to continue.

[the_process]

Joel is starting to get a toxic rep.

Yep. It's not great.

Butler was about to kill teammate Udonis Haslem mid game with his coach screaming at him asking if "he's crazy". He's about to go to the ECF.

If Joel's comments make him "toxic" then our entire team is Ben Simmons soft.

None of what happened with Spo, Jimmy, and Haslem was at a presser. It was on the sidelines during a game. Big difference.

I realize Jo was trying to stick up for Harden, and he's definitely not wrong in what he said.

But just stick to the cliches. Storylines matter in the NBA, even if we think they don't.

[eyeatoma]

So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.

Well, after The Process the team ended up EXACTLY where they were trying to avoid: the treadmill.

Hard not to be so frustrated you just want to tear it all down and start over.

I guess I don't understand why you think that's Embiid's fault?

Could he not flop around as much? Sure? Was what he said out about Harden, out of line? I'm not sure, I don't think it was the worse thing it the world. The fact is, Harden **** the bed before Embiid said anything. We all considered Embiid a god 48 hours ago, for going to war with broken face. Nothing has changed on his end. The dude is frustrated, because he had an opportunity to play with someone who was ready for the playoffs in Jimmy and was a perfect compliment to him. Every move this franchise has made, has backfired, I again don't see how that's Embiid's fault.

He is one of the best 3-5 players in the league, they don't' grow on trees and you don't trade them either. You build properly. I think you all are being very emotional about this right now. It completely sucks, and I probably need a break from the Sixers. Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey are the only good things going for this franchise though, so **** on him as well, is just astounding. Why don't we actually get a team that is properly built around him, before blaming him. Would also be nice to get an actual coach.

[Negrodamus]

Yep. It's not great.

Butler was about to kill teammate Udonis Haslem mid game with his coach screaming at him asking if "he's crazy". He's about to go to the ECF.

If Joel's comments make him "toxic" then our entire team is Ben Simmons soft.

None of what happened with Spo, Jimmy, and Haslem was at a presser. It was on the sidelines during a game. Big difference.

I realize Jo was trying to stick up for Harden, and he's definitely not wrong in what he said.

But just stick to the cliches. Storylines matter in the NBA, even if we think they don't.

Right, Jimmy has never been known to call out teammates in the public... Other than a Sportscenter special surrounding his situation on the T'Wolves and then alluding to his situation in Philly. We also have stuff like this:

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Kobe a few times:

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It's not a big deal. And at the end of the day, Joel is asking James to shoot more. It's not like he's asking Harden to defer to him more.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Embiid absolutely deserves to shoulder a heavy portion of the blame after the last two games. His attitude and lack of spirit is definitely a pattern that needs to be broken.

I don’t agree with all the criticism coming his way but he’s want to be considered the best player in the league and this is the treatment that someone of that stature gets when failure happens.