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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#1201 » by PoundTown » Thu May 12, 2022 10:56 pm

Jtoneller1 wrote:I would come out hot and heavy and overpay for Otto Porter and/or Delon Wright. We've seen enough of this frugal/reclamation MLE splitting ****. Just pay what it takes to get a legit 7-9 roster guy who fits what we do defensively while helping in an offensive deficiency (shooting/guard play)

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If we're banking on Banton / Flynn being okay to take next year's PG role, than Otto would be a guy to offer 1 year, full MLE if you want to find a good 2 way shooter with length we want, especially if Raps lose Thad. Good for maintaining flexibilty and temporarily helps us out in one of our weaker areas and the long bois get to stay long. Otto in his current form reminds me of James Posey. We could all use a James Posey off the bench.
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Post#1202 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri May 13, 2022 1:57 pm

Slow Friday, let's do this

I wonder if there's a way for us to trade into the top 6 - 11 of this draft and grab someone like Shaedon Sharp. Him, Barnes, and Achuiwa as our cornerstones would be fun to watch. We'd have our own big three in the works. Sharp is that scorer we desperately need and I think he'd fit really well with Barnes.

So the question is, is there anyone in the top 6 -11 who would be willing to make a trade. Let's see...

Rockets - they're dog water so there's no way they are trading this pick

Magic - see above

Pistons - see above

Thunder - only want prospects and picks so probably not

Pacers - seem to be committed to the rebuild so likely not

Trailblazers - this interests me. Lillard is representing them at the draft so that relationship must be still going strong. They stripped their core at the deadline and fully tanked. However I doubt they're willing to waste Lillards prime by being terrible the next few years. They're going to be looking for a "win now" kind of player. They already have Lillard and Simons so FVV is off the table. Is OG a big enough prize for them? Elite defensively and can carry a decent load on offence?

The player they'd most likely ask for is Siakam. Trading Siakam means we've committed to the youth movement and are looking at more of a rebuild as opposed to a retool. Would I trade Siakam for Sharpe (and whatever fillers are needed for $$$), not sure. Would you guys make that move?

Kings - interesting team. They seem to be tired of being terrible (ie the Haliburton for Sabonis trade). I could see them moving this pick for and OG or an FVV level player. I'd definitely consider this if available.

Pelicans (via lakers) - Similar thought to the Kings. They traded for McCollum at the deadline which tells me that they're ready to not be terrible. They're PG position is pretty darn weak. I could see a FVV for Graham + this pick being tolerable.

Spurs - they seem to be comfortable with their youth movement. I'd be really surprised to see them move their pick

Wizards - Traded for KP to pair with Beal. Similar to Kings/Pelicans, I can see them looking to upgrade their roster to try and get back into the playoffs. Either OG or FVV would fit decently on their roster. Something I'd consider

Knicks - The rumours are already swirling this the Knicks want to make some moves. Similar to the teams noted above, I can see them moving this pick for win now player.


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Post#1203 » by goinrogue » Fri May 13, 2022 2:29 pm

Is shaedon sharp looking legit special or this just another case of interest in getting a pick to draft him because he’s Canadian?

Edit - read a bit about him and he actually sounds like a Masai kind of player. Normally I would accuse posters of BCA - best Canadian available - but his shooting and wingspan is intriguing.
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Post#1204 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri May 13, 2022 3:20 pm

goinrogue wrote:Is shaedon sharp looking legit special or this just another case of interest in getting a pick to draft him because he’s Canadian?

Edit - read a bit about him and he actually sounds like a Masai kind of player. Normally I would accuse posters of BCA - best Canadian available - but his shooting and wingspan is intriguing.


The Canadian piece is nice, but he has all the tools to be a really good scorer in the league. His shot mechanics are smooth, decent handle, can facilitate for his team, and he's a freak athlete.

https://www.nba.com/magic/news/2022-nba-draft-shaedon-sharpe-strengths-and-weaknesses-20220512

With his wingspan and athleticism, I don't see why he couldn't be a strong defender at the next level.

I don't think he'd be an instant contributor (needs some seasoning) but I think by year 2 or 3 he will erupt into a really good scorer.
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Post#1205 » by Madhouse » Fri May 13, 2022 3:43 pm

goinrogue wrote:Is shaedon sharp looking legit special or this just another case of interest in getting a pick to draft him because he’s Canadian?

Edit - read a bit about him and he actually sounds like a Masai kind of player. Normally I would accuse posters of BCA - best Canadian available - but his shooting and wingspan is intriguing.


well, I mean Sharpe was one of or even the top recruit for a reason.

But he also did not play college ball, so he might be a major bust as we seen with other top recruits like Boston their stock can plummet and they aren't all that good.

I do think there is major potential with this kid though.
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Post#1206 » by Stromile12 » Fri May 13, 2022 3:46 pm

Shaedon has that dog mentality and he really takes advantage of his athleticism.
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Post#1207 » by Madhouse » Fri May 13, 2022 3:53 pm

Gavin_TDThree wrote:Slow Friday, let's do this

I wonder if there's a way for us to trade into the top 6 - 11 of this draft and grab someone like Shaedon Sharp. Him, Barnes, and Achuiwa as our cornerstones would be fun to watch. We'd have our own big three in the works. Sharp is that scorer we desperately need and I think he'd fit really well with Barnes.

So the question is, is there anyone in the top 6 -11 who would be willing to make a trade. Let's see...

Rockets - they're dog water so there's no way they are trading this pick

Magic - see above

Pistons - see above

Thunder - only want prospects and picks so probably not

Pacers - seem to be committed to the rebuild so likely not

Trailblazers - this interests me. Lillard is representing them at the draft so that relationship must be still going strong. They stripped their core at the deadline and fully tanked. However I doubt they're willing to waste Lillards prime by being terrible the next few years. They're going to be looking for a "win now" kind of player. They already have Lillard and Simons so FVV is off the table. Is OG a big enough prize for them? Elite defensively and can carry a decent load on offence?

The player they'd most likely ask for is Siakam. Trading Siakam means we've committed to the youth movement and are looking at more of a rebuild as opposed to a retool. Would I trade Siakam for Sharpe (and whatever fillers are needed for $$$), not sure. Would you guys make that move?

Kings - interesting team. They seem to be tired of being terrible (ie the Haliburton for Sabonis trade). I could see them moving this pick for and OG or an FVV level player. I'd definitely consider this if available.

Pelicans (via lakers) - Similar thought to the Kings. They traded for McCollum at the deadline which tells me that they're ready to not be terrible. They're PG position is pretty darn weak. I could see a FVV for Graham + this pick being tolerable.

Spurs - they seem to be comfortable with their youth movement. I'd be really surprised to see them move their pick

Wizards - Traded for KP to pair with Beal. Similar to Kings/Pelicans, I can see them looking to upgrade their roster to try and get back into the playoffs. Either OG or FVV would fit decently on their roster. Something I'd consider

Knicks - The rumours are already swirling this the Knicks want to make some moves. Similar to the teams noted above, I can see them moving this pick for win now player.


Have a good weekend everyone


well, actually I would not be opposed to gamble but I know that the FO isn't doing such thing.

I guess they could look to move GTJ but I would be surprised if he generates such value with an expiring contract.
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Post#1208 » by Morris_Shatford » Fri May 13, 2022 4:04 pm

Shaedon Sharpe is the 2022 Draft's equivalent of a blind bag.
Not to hate on the kid, but its hard to really evaluate when he played against no one in games of any consequence beyond high school. I like the kid, but he may be the biggest risk/reward in the lotto.
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Post#1209 » by douggood » Fri May 13, 2022 4:23 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Shaedon Sharpe is the 2022 Draft's equivalent of a blind bag.
Not to hate on the kid, but its hard to really evaluate when he played against no one in games of any consequence beyond high school. I like the kid, but he may be the biggest risk/reward in the lotto.

i am trying to think and the closest situation, top prospect who barely played beyond high school to be drafted recently; james weisman and he played 2 games in college.
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Post#1210 » by Madhouse » Fri May 13, 2022 4:26 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Shaedon Sharpe is the 2022 Draft's equivalent of a blind bag.
Not to hate on the kid, but its hard to really evaluate when he played against no one in games of any consequence beyond high school. I like the kid, but he may be the biggest risk/reward in the lotto.


He is a major risk but he also might be the best pick in the draft if you get him outside of the top 5-7.
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Post#1211 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri May 13, 2022 4:30 pm

Otto Porter would be a fantastic acquisition.
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Post#1212 » by alpngso » Fri May 13, 2022 4:57 pm

Would you trade OG for Shaedon Sharpe?

Let say Blazers end up with 6th pick. Would you trade OG for that pick? you get a shot at picking Sharpe but he might not be there also.
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Post#1213 » by Morris_Shatford » Fri May 13, 2022 4:59 pm

Madhouse wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Shaedon Sharpe is the 2022 Draft's equivalent of a blind bag.
Not to hate on the kid, but its hard to really evaluate when he played against no one in games of any consequence beyond high school. I like the kid, but he may be the biggest risk/reward in the lotto.


He is a major risk but he also might be the best pick in the draft if you get him outside of the top 5-7.


Without question;
He wouldn't be the only kid to never play against college or professional competition and end up being a legit player in the NBA.
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Post#1214 » by Gavin_TDThree » Fri May 13, 2022 5:19 pm

alpngso wrote:Would you trade OG for Shaedon Sharpe?

Let say Blazers end up with 6th pick. Would you trade OG for that pick? you get a shot at picking Sharpe but he might not be there also.


I'd do it. Means Barnes can play the 3 and PS can move to the 4. Achuiwa becomes our starting 5. Let Sharpe come off the bench as a 6th man unless he comes out blazing then slide him in for GTJ. GTJ becomes the gunner off the bench
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Post#1215 » by wegotthabeet » Sat May 14, 2022 10:18 am

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Gavin_TDThree wrote:Slow Friday, let's do this

I wonder if there's a way for us to trade into the top 6 - 11 of this draft and grab someone like Shaedon Sharp. Him, Barnes, and Achuiwa as our cornerstones would be fun to watch. We'd have our own big three in the works. Sharp is that scorer we desperately need and I think he'd fit really well with Barnes.

So the question is, is there anyone in the top 6 -11 who would be willing to make a trade. Let's see...

Rockets - they're dog water so there's no way they are trading this pick

Magic - see above

Pistons - see above

Thunder - only want prospects and picks so probably not

Pacers - seem to be committed to the rebuild so likely not

Trailblazers - this interests me. Lillard is representing them at the draft so that relationship must be still going strong. They stripped their core at the deadline and fully tanked. However I doubt they're willing to waste Lillards prime by being terrible the next few years. They're going to be looking for a "win now" kind of player. They already have Lillard and Simons so FVV is off the table. Is OG a big enough prize for them? Elite defensively and can carry a decent load on offence?

The player they'd most likely ask for is Siakam. Trading Siakam means we've committed to the youth movement and are looking at more of a rebuild as opposed to a retool. Would I trade Siakam for Sharpe (and whatever fillers are needed for $$$), not sure. Would you guys make that move?

Kings - interesting team. They seem to be tired of being terrible (ie the Haliburton for Sabonis trade). I could see them moving this pick for and OG or an FVV level player. I'd definitely consider this if available.

Pelicans (via lakers) - Similar thought to the Kings. They traded for McCollum at the deadline which tells me that they're ready to not be terrible. They're PG position is pretty darn weak. I could see a FVV for Graham + this pick being tolerable.

Spurs - they seem to be comfortable with their youth movement. I'd be really surprised to see them move their pick

Wizards - Traded for KP to pair with Beal. Similar to Kings/Pelicans, I can see them looking to upgrade their roster to try and get back into the playoffs. Either OG or FVV would fit decently on their roster. Something I'd consider

Knicks - The rumours are already swirling this the Knicks want to make some moves. Similar to the teams noted above, I can see them moving this pick for win now player.


Have a good weekend everyone


I've been saying for a few months that they should be targeting Sharpe with a pick between 6 and 10. Not sure he'll be available there, but Sacramento and New Orleans present the most likely trade partners.

I think Raptors management is committed to keeping Siakam, Barnes, OG, FVV and Precious. I don't see any of them getting moved for mid/late lotto pick. That leaves Trent as the main piece being dealt. Can a deal be built around Trent + future pick(s) for the 8th pick + bad contracts/filler? Trent's contract lowers his value, but he's young enough to still have major upside as a starter/6th man.

Trade 1
To Toronto: Holmes + Harkless + Sharpe (SAC 2022 pick)
To Sacramento: Trent Jr. + Flynn + Birch + TOR 2024 1st round pick

Trade 2
To Toronto: Graham + Temple + Sharpe (SAC 2022 pick)
To New Orleans: Trent Jr. + Flynn + TOR 2024 1st round pick

These may need to be tweaked with more value added from Toronto, but Trent fits well on both teams.

The Raptors re-sign Boucher & Young. Use the MLE a rotation player.

Starters: Barnes - Vanvleet - Anunoby - Siakam - Achiuwa
Rotation: Boucher - Young - Sharpe - MLE - (Holmes or Graham)
Development: Banton - Brooks - Johnson - Champagnie - 2022 2nd round pick

Sacramento with Trent.

Fox
Mitchell
Trent
Barnes
Sabonis

New Orleans with Trent.

McCollum
Ingram
Jones
Zion
Valanciunas

6th man - Trent
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Post#1216 » by Scottie4Bro » Sat May 14, 2022 11:52 am

Over the last weeks I've been moving to an opinion of keeping Fred and dealing GTJ. Free up the shooting guard spot and move OG there and see how he does as our starting SG for a season, and see what haul you can get for GTJ. Would GTJ+#33 get you a top 10 pick in return? I dunno.

Also, if GTJ doesn't secure a top 10 pick he might net you a top 15 pick, and one guy I don't see talked about often is Jalen Duren, who I think would be a really nice project for the Raps. We could always teach him how to shoot the 3 over the next few years, but he's really that strong bruiser C down below who could bang with Embiid and actually potentially stop him more than anyone else on the roster. Re-sign Boucher and concentrate our MLE and the rest of our war chest on grabbing the best combo guard we can.
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Post#1217 » by Morse Code » Sat May 14, 2022 1:50 pm

Need shaedon sharpe on this team. Trade Fred and pieces for him. Let Scottie and Pascal get the ball over half.

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Post#1218 » by goinrogue » Sat May 14, 2022 2:39 pm

I would like to explore trading Fred. My only issue with keeping him is I completely buy into the magic Johnson comparisons for Scottie. I feel like if we keep Fred, he will hold
Scottie back by insisting he run the offense and be the primary ball handler. And off ball SG Fred would be fine but I think his ego wouldn’t allow that cause he was waiting for Kyle to leave to take the reigns as the new Kyle. Fred to the knicks is interesting. I think we can get their center and their pick from them.
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Post#1219 » by agkagk » Sat May 14, 2022 3:27 pm

goinrogue wrote:I would like to explore trading Fred. My only issue with keeping him is I completely buy into the magic Johnson comparisons for Scottie. I feel like if we keep Fred, he will hold
Scottie back by insisting he run the offense and be the primary ball handler. And off ball SG Fred would be fine but I think his ego wouldn’t allow that cause he was waiting for Kyle to leave to take the reigns as the new Kyle. Fred to the knicks is interesting. I think we can get their center and their pick from them.



Fred deferred to Scottie exactly as often as nick nurse and Masai wanted him to.

We should be giving Fred, pascal and birch a pat on the back back for EXCEPTIONAL veteran leadership as well as the nurturing environment AND most IMPORTANTLY the insulation they provided our prized rookie.

Kid won rookie of the year as our 5th option on a team that almost had home court advantage. That unbelievably HUGE for his development. Waaaay more so then him getting an extra 1.25 assists per game and losing 10+ extra games.
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Post#1220 » by PT416 » Sat May 14, 2022 3:29 pm

goinrogue wrote:I would like to explore trading Fred. My only issue with keeping him is I completely buy into the magic Johnson comparisons for Scottie. I feel like if we keep Fred, he will hold
Scottie back by insisting he run the offense and be the primary ball handler. And off ball SG Fred would be fine but I think his ego wouldn’t allow that cause he was waiting for Kyle to leave to take the reigns as the new Kyle. Fred to the knicks is interesting. I think we can get their center and their pick from them.

Love this idea. If we can get Mitch (signed at new value by Knicks) and first rounder(s) for Fred... That's so perfect for us. Minus the injury concerns - and who are we to judge when Fred was gimpy this year, Mitch is super underrated.

Barnes - Trent - OG - Siakam - Mitch. Good luck getting shots off. And the lob chemistry between Scottie + Mitch.
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