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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1061 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu May 12, 2022 8:25 pm

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They didn't really play big...I mean JJJ is a lot bigger (at least longer and taller) PF than we have, but he's a perimeter 3 pt shooter. Adams is their only guy on offense in the middle. And he doesn't score.

They beat them with 3 pt shooting and defense. 18 3s made at 44%.


That frontcourt with both Jackson Jr and Steven Adams are both 6'11, So they're significantly bigger than anything Golden state has. Jackson Jr blocked and intimidated a lot of shots and Adam's has given them a dominant big to give them the rebounding edge ( 55 - 37 edge/ offensive edge was 18-4 ). Also the points in the paint were ( 50-36). Similar to Valuncias in that he had timely putbacks, but also kept the Warriors from getting multiple possessions which could've gotten them into a much better rythym.

Shaq, chuck, Kenny and Charles were emphasizing how having Adams has helped them cut down the Warriors ability to score in the paint as effectively. That to a fair degree helps teams stay in the game if the opposition is a dominant perimeter team. Especially if they're struggling. As easy scores/possessions build confidence in struggling shooters. Then they started hitting from the outside more and could compete much better against the Warriors.

The biggest advantage against the Warriors is clearly utilizing size disparity to draw fouls, dominate the glass and points in the paint to offset their outside shooting. And more so if they happen to struggle from the perimeter. Although overall they did outwork the Warriors in most all categories anyways too. But regardless, that's the Warriors weakness (frontcourt size) as your just not going to outshooting them very often if at all. So you have to find easy opportunities to stay close and generate offense. :nod:


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Adams and JJJ each had 4 pts in the paint.

Adams is just big and tough, and can outmuscle anyone. JJJ scored mostly from 3. I am not entirely sure why the Warriors are starting Kuminga now when they started Looney all year and he has a 7'4 wingspan.

Anyway, like I mentioned above, it was the Grizzlies shooting that made them tough. They did get points in the paint which are easier to come by when you are also nailing 3s because defenses are less likely to cheat off, so Tyus Jones can drive and score or drive and dish....so he can get a lot of points at the rim. Jones had 8 pts in the paint and Brooks had 6.

It's their reserves that score in the paint outside of Jones. Clarke and Anderson each had 6 in the paint. They are not 3 pt shooters so when they come in from the bench it's them, but they are subbing in for the bigs...Kyle Anderson came in for Adams and Clarke for JJJ.

The thing is, it's their starters who built the huge lead with all those 3s and Tyus Jones driving and dishing or hitting 3s himself. He was their primary paint scorer as a starter, with Brooks next.

If you notice, it's the starters who built the lead were all in the +30s and 40s...Clarke was at 20...but Anderson was at 2.

Their starters built the lead shooting over 50% from 3 and the reserves maintained it..but most of the points in the paint from starters were Jones (8) and Brooks (6). Adams and JJJ each had 4 in the paint.

So I don't think size really beat them at all. Adam's rebounding was nice and he is tough, but they play hard-nosed defense, and the main thing is shooting a high volume of 3s at 44%.


Of course, you're right that their 3 PT shooting was a major factor in their win over the Warriors, as well as their overall stellar team defense too. But the bigger frontcourt also employed by the Grizzlies also made it very difficult for the much smaller warriors to get easy buckets in the paint, around the rim, on penetration and prevented them from being able to get into a better offensive rhythm off easy scores. And the points in the paint at +14 and the rebounding edge +18 rebounds, (+14 offensive rebounds)!!! obviously was a legitimate factor as well. I also don't think that it was a mere coincidence that Adams' return and the subsequent bigger frontcourt lineup made the series more difficult for the warriors and to a degree and helped the Grizzlies play much more competitively against the smaller Warriors. Basically, it could easily be argued from watching the game that the Warriors didn't even bother showing up and didn't care at all. And that they're just looking to close out the series on their home floor. Still, as it pertains to us (and many other teams for example), you're simply not going to beat the Warriors in a shootout. And to even stay close and sustain a chance (given their normally absurd shooting) you have to find easy ways to score and counter their elite perimeter game. Otherwise, you face getting blown out by their shooting aside from some anomalous aberration wherein they have an off night from the perimeter. Aside from Green, what strong or elite frontcourt defenders do they have that can really stop and engaged Ayton?? Their biggest frontcourt on the roster are:

Wiseman- 7'1 (isn't playing)?
Bjelica- 6'9 (can't really guard the post any better than Saric honestly).
Looney- 6'9 (Looney really can't guard Ayton successfully) **IF Ayton is fully engaged and aggressive???
Green- 6'7.
Wiggins- 6'7.

We cannot legitimately keep up with the Warriors 3 PT shooting. And clearly, we aren't yet good at defending the perimeter either. But the distinct advantage that we do have is in our size advantage in the frontcourt, which can get us easy buckets (especially with Ayton's efficiency) and the clear size disparity. The ability to force fouls on the warriors, and to control the rebounding, which would be critical in limiting multiple offensive opportunities for them. Because IF they do somehow struggle at times from the perimeter, the last thing you really want to do is give them multiple opportunities to get in a good rhythm. Again, our best bet to keep up against the Warriors' very potent perimeter offense outside of having multiple outlier high-level shooting performances to offset their shooting HAS TO BE in generating easy offense and limiting their offensive opportunities, and drawing fouls on their players to try and suppress their momentum and force them to play less aggressively. We need a fully engaged "monster" playoffs version of Ayton to create significant gravity on their defenders, to free up and get our shooters going (hopefully) :-?

Meanwhile, Booker and Paul can kill the Warriors from the midrange when their defenders are forced to collapse on our bigs more. And once we're in a great rhythm offensively (as a result from easy scores around the basket and midrange) we can now extend that to our threes.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1062 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 12, 2022 9:10 pm

I explained why they won. Without back and forths, as I said, the points in the paint had nothing to do with dominating with bigs. It was because they nailed 3s Tyus Jones and Dillon Brooks can drive and score inside or drive and dish. Most all their points in the paint were from littler guys.

As far as your list of guy's height. That doesn't matter as much as wingspan when guarding someone. Green is one of the best and he has a 7'1 wingspan but also is thick and can provide resistance and will outsmart you. Looney has a 7'4 wingspan.

Someone pointed out earlier how well Green defended Ayton when they played....so you could probably look back at the evidence instead of guess based on height.

If Ayton didn't get intimidated or bothered by Green and worked his hook shot without Green bodying him up while he tried, the hook shot is almost unstoppable. Some of the other stuff like the short floaters or midrange would be easier to defend.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1063 » by wheezy » Fri May 13, 2022 8:07 pm

Damn. Embiid falling into Danny Green is maybe going to end Green's nba career.
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Post#1064 » by Gorilla Warfare » Fri May 13, 2022 9:28 pm

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Post#1065 » by spanishninja » Fri May 13, 2022 9:34 pm

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Load management so he can be rested and have plenty of load for us in game 7…


Hey now, important man like that, I would think they would ship him around in the germproof coffin until use.
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Post#1066 » by Mr Puddles » Sat May 14, 2022 1:15 am

Boston is a great defensive team. We have to get past the Grizzlies first of course, but as much as I would like a rematch with the Bucks in the finals - playing the Celtics would be a great series as well.
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Post#1067 » by lilfishi22 » Sat May 14, 2022 1:28 am

Mr Puddles wrote:Boston is a great defensive team. We have to get past the Grizzlies first of course, but as much as I would like a rematch with the Bucks in the finals - playing the Celtics would be a great series as well.

You mean the Mavs?
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Post#1068 » by Mr Puddles » Sat May 14, 2022 1:49 am

Great NOW the Suns get an extra rest day. The scheduling has really **** me these playoffs, either the game is on while I'm at work, or they're my Monday morning 3am. Haven't been able to watch a single game in this series yet. Rooting for Boston to win this one so I can at least half the game Monday morning.
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Post#1069 » by RunDogGun » Sat May 14, 2022 2:01 am

Ha, Giannis tried to elbow Horford to get space, and falls to the ground. Jump ball. Should have been an offensive foul, but at least they didn't give that crap to Giannis.
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Post#1070 » by Mr Puddles » Sat May 14, 2022 2:38 am

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Mr Puddles wrote:Boston is a great defensive team. We have to get past the Grizzlies first of course, but as much as I would like a rematch with the Bucks in the finals - playing the Celtics would be a great series as well.

You mean the Mavs?


I mean the western conference finals. We're playing the mavericks in this round. We should be humble and not just assume that we'll get passed the grizzlies, they match up really well against us.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1071 » by starbosa10 » Sat May 14, 2022 5:17 am

The leash Draymond gets is ridiculous
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Post#1072 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat May 14, 2022 5:47 am

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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1073 » by starbosa10 » Sat May 14, 2022 5:49 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Boston is a great defensive team. We have to get past the Grizzlies first of course, but as much as I would like a rematch with the Bucks in the finals - playing the Celtics would be a great series as well.


What f**** rematch are you talking about??? The Suns would be lucky enough to lose in 5 if advancing to face the warriors. Our team isn’t hungry enough to win this year or any other year. Time to blow this team up keep Ayton, Booker, Bridges, Cam and trade everyone else including old azz Chris Paul. No wonder all his teams fail to meet expectations some dudes like Paul and Harden never win a championship no matter how close they get. Season is pretty much over even if we luck out and beat the mavs.


Bit harsh, warriors haven't looked great either. Would say whoever comes out of the east should be a heavy favorite vs whoever comes out of the west
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Post#1074 » by starbosa10 » Sat May 14, 2022 6:04 am

starbosa10 wrote:The leash Draymond gets is ridiculous

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Post#1075 » by Mr Puddles » Sat May 14, 2022 6:22 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Boston is a great defensive team. We have to get past the Grizzlies first of course, but as much as I would like a rematch with the Bucks in the finals - playing the Celtics would be a great series as well.


What f**** rematch are you talking about??? The Suns would be lucky enough to lose in 5 if advancing to face the warriors. Our team isn’t hungry enough to win this year or any other year. Time to blow this team up keep Ayton, Booker, Bridges, Cam and trade everyone else including old azz Chris Paul. No wonder all his teams fail to meet expectations some dudes like Paul and Harden never win a championship no matter how close they get. Season is pretty much over even if we luck out and beat the mavs.


First of all, I would kindly request you to abstain from using coarse language. We are all gentlemen of culture here; kindred spirits in our love of watching grown men practise the sacred art of putting a ball through a hoop. There is no need for that type of language, and, frankly, it upsets me a bit.

Secondly, the mighty Phoenix Suns are lulling the competing to sleep with seemingly dull play, only to pounce on the Larry O'Brien trophy like Zion on a frosted donut when the time is just ripe. Mony is playing 4D chess out here with the Jedi Masters while the rest of the NBA has no idea what's going on.

Our destiny has been written. The basketball gods have edged this team in the Mount Rushmore of basketball greatness, and by golly if the basketball gods can't accurately make sense of today's game anymore, then what hope is there left for us mere mortals?
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Post#1076 » by SunsRback4Good » Sat May 14, 2022 6:33 am

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Post#1077 » by Qwigglez » Sat May 14, 2022 6:41 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Boston is a great defensive team. We have to get past the Grizzlies first of course, but as much as I would like a rematch with the Bucks in the finals - playing the Celtics would be a great series as well.


What f**** rematch are you talking about??? The Suns would be lucky enough to lose in 5 if advancing to face the warriors. Our team isn’t hungry enough to win this year or any other year. Time to blow this team up keep Ayton, Booker, Bridges, Cam and trade everyone else including old azz Chris Paul. No wonder all his teams fail to meet expectations some dudes like Paul and Harden never win a championship no matter how close they get. Season is pretty much over even if we luck out and beat the mavs.


First of all, I would kindly request you to abstain from using coarse language. We are all gentlemen of culture here; kindred spirits in our love of watching grown men practise the sacred art of putting a ball through a hoop. There is no need for that type of language, and, frankly, it upsets me a bit.

Secondly, the mighty Phoenix Suns are lulling the competing to sleep with seemingly dull play, only to pounce on the Larry O'Brien trophy like Zion on a frosted donut when the time is just ripe. Mony is playing 4D chess out here with the Jedi Masters while the rest of the NBA has no idea what's going on.

Our destiny has been written. The basketball gods have edged this team in the Mount Rushmore of basketball greatness, and by golly if the basketball gods can't accurately make sense of today's game anymore, then what hope is there left for us mere mortals?


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Post#1078 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat May 14, 2022 7:24 am

GSW shot 39% with 17 turnovers, wins by 14.
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Post#1079 » by bwgood77 » Sat May 14, 2022 5:50 pm

starbosa10 wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:The leash Draymond gets is ridiculous

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And Ayton being aggressive dunking on Luka, and looking at him gets a tech....when stuff like this doesn't, or Luka looking at and talking to the Suns bench or flexing after plays.
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Post#1080 » by starbosa10 » Sat May 14, 2022 8:39 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:
starbosa10 wrote:The leash Draymond gets is ridiculous

Read on Twitter
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And Ayton being aggressive dunking on Luka, and looking at him gets a tech....when stuff like this doesn't, or Luka looking at and talking to the Suns bench or flexing after plays.


or book getting a tech on a shot where he was fouled...

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