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Post#181 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri May 13, 2022 5:00 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:It will be interesting to see what the reaction is if BOS loses tonight. Lots of chatter early in the year about breaking up Brown/Tatum. They quieted that in the second half, but possible it comes back up with an embarrassing loss tonight after the game 5 meltdown. And to be clear, that was more external noise than internal but that stuff can creep into a lockerroom as we've seen before.

I think common sense will prevail and people won't argue that BOS should be looking to break up that duo, but I feel like there will be lots of focus and pressure on Stevens to change pieces around them. They have all 9 rotation players under contract next year but I think it will be looked at negatively if there isn't some sort of move there. Adding a guard/wing shooter with more size than Pritchard (so that Udoka will be willing to play for longer minutes in his defensive scheme) feels like the small move that will appease local media/fans as doing something, but won't move the needle on the national scale. If that's all they do I think it will be looked at as them not getting enough help.


Depending on how seriously Grizz management is considering moving Morant relative to light hearted fan chatter (I imagine very little) a Brown/Ja swap seems interesting to me, with other pieces involved.
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Post#182 » by hugepatsfan » Fri May 13, 2022 5:05 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:It will be interesting to see what the reaction is if BOS loses tonight. Lots of chatter early in the year about breaking up Brown/Tatum. They quieted that in the second half, but possible it comes back up with an embarrassing loss tonight after the game 5 meltdown. And to be clear, that was more external noise than internal but that stuff can creep into a lockerroom as we've seen before.

I think common sense will prevail and people won't argue that BOS should be looking to break up that duo, but I feel like there will be lots of focus and pressure on Stevens to change pieces around them. They have all 9 rotation players under contract next year but I think it will be looked at negatively if there isn't some sort of move there. Adding a guard/wing shooter with more size than Pritchard (so that Udoka will be willing to play for longer minutes in his defensive scheme) feels like the small move that will appease local media/fans as doing something, but won't move the needle on the national scale. If that's all they do I think it will be looked at as them not getting enough help.


Depending on how seriously Grizz management is considering moving Morant relative to light hearted fan chatter (I imagine very little) a Brown/Ja swap seems interesting to me, with other pieces involved.


I can't imagine that's something that MEM would have even the slightest amount of interest in. And I'm not even the biggest Ja fan, but that's a move BOS would have to make.

I'm not even against moving Jaylen Brown, TBH. I think he's a really good, efficient volume scorer as the numbers show, but I don't think he's an overall great team offensive player. That's not to say he's selfish or anything, it's just that he struggles to get his own shot without focusing solely on that. He's not a guy who can balance well between getting his and creating for others. Not an insult to him as a player or calling him a ball hog or anything, that's just a tough role to fill at a championship level for a #1 or #2 option.
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Post#183 » by Devilanche » Fri May 13, 2022 5:21 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:It will be interesting to see what the reaction is if BOS loses tonight. Lots of chatter early in the year about breaking up Brown/Tatum. They quieted that in the second half, but possible it comes back up with an embarrassing loss tonight after the game 5 meltdown. And to be clear, that was more external noise than internal but that stuff can creep into a lockerroom as we've seen before.

I think common sense will prevail and people won't argue that BOS should be looking to break up that duo, but I feel like there will be lots of focus and pressure on Stevens to change pieces around them. They have all 9 rotation players under contract next year but I think it will be looked at negatively if there isn't some sort of move there. Adding a guard/wing shooter with more size than Pritchard (so that Udoka will be willing to play for longer minutes in his defensive scheme) feels like the small move that will appease local media/fans as doing something, but won't move the needle on the national scale. If that's all they do I think it will be looked at as them not getting enough help.

Have to give Stevens another offseason to see what he will tweak . With minimal assets he already brought back horford , theis and bring in Derrick white .

What assets does he have to move this time around ? I can see an upgrade to Pritchard or most likely an MLE signing on a guard
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Post#184 » by life_saver » Fri May 13, 2022 5:45 pm

Wasn't sure where to post this question but do you guys think any of the NBA Front Offices monitor the Trade Board on realgm for new trade ideas? Has there even been any slight inch of evidence of a Front Office getting a trade idea after seeing it on here?
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Post#185 » by shrink » Fri May 13, 2022 5:48 pm

To me, the lesson of this season is, “The best ability is availability.”

Many thought that the playoffs hold be Lakers vs Nets, and even with MVP-level performances from Jokic and and Embiid, their teams suffered when their other “stars” couldn’t suit up.

As internet GM’s, we don’t get fired when a deal we suggest fails. I think this causes us to attach higher trade values to riskier players, because we are enamored with talent or production in their past. If we don’t want to be Billy King, we need to look at this season, and reassess the value of risk management.
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Post#186 » by K_chile22 » Fri May 13, 2022 6:04 pm

I really wish for both sides sake the Sun's had coughed up a FRP for Eric Gordon. Would be their third best guard by far and they need it
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Post#187 » by Texas Chuck » Fri May 13, 2022 6:17 pm

life_saver wrote:Wasn't sure where to post this question but do you guys think any of the NBA Front Offices monitor the Trade Board on realgm for new trade ideas? Has there even been any slight inch of evidence of a Front Office getting a trade idea after seeing it on here?



they be slidin in my DM's all the time....
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Post#188 » by Texas Chuck » Fri May 13, 2022 6:18 pm

K_chile22 wrote:I really wish for both sides sake the Sun's had coughed up a FRP for Eric Gordon. Would be their third best guard by far and they need it


Especially when we recall they coughed up a first for the guy in that role right now.... The utter demise of Cam Payne is really hurting them for sure.
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Post#189 » by loserX » Fri May 13, 2022 6:26 pm

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life_saver wrote:Wasn't sure where to post this question but do you guys think any of the NBA Front Offices monitor the Trade Board on realgm for new trade ideas? Has there even been any slight inch of evidence of a Front Office getting a trade idea after seeing it on here?



they be slidin in my DM's all the time....


I personally am former Timberwolves GM David Kahn, which I'm sure explains a lot.

More seriously, it seems to be accepted that NBA staffers do read this website from time to time, though whether any come to this particular board (let alone find inspiration) is impossible to know.
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Post#190 » by shrink » Fri May 13, 2022 7:13 pm

life_saver wrote:Wasn't sure where to post this question but do you guys think any of the NBA Front Offices monitor the Trade Board on realgm for new trade ideas? Has there even been any slight inch of evidence of a Front Office getting a trade idea after seeing it on here?

In the first few years I was here, a couple front office people pm’ed for a few years. Of course, this is the internet, so they always could have been lying to me, but I judged them as legitimate. One even said, “look for my team to make an announcement in a few hours.” I don’t see either around any more.

In case you don’t know, Larry Coon from the NBAFAQ used to be quite active on the CBA board, and Smitty does a popular podcast “The NBA Front Office Show.” Those are two of our most overt, posting, celebrities.
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Post#191 » by shrink » Fri May 13, 2022 7:17 pm

loserX wrote:I personally am former Timberwolves GM David Kahn, which I'm sure explains a lot.

Hmmmm. Does David Kahn admit to being David Kahn?
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Post#192 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri May 13, 2022 7:25 pm

I would 100 percent read this site if I worked in the NBA (just this board never the GB) because you all come up with like every possible trade iteration and then if needed people come along behind and make it CBA legal.
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Post#193 » by Devilanche » Sat May 14, 2022 1:05 am

life_saver wrote:Wasn't sure where to post this question but do you guys think any of the NBA Front Offices monitor the Trade Board on realgm for new trade ideas? Has there even been any slight inch of evidence of a Front Office getting a trade idea after seeing it on here?

Probably too little to matter . All those surplus for surplus end of the bench trades would have happened more otherwise . Can’t build trade value if they aren’t playing
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Post#194 » by DoItALL9 » Sat May 14, 2022 5:25 am

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:all of those are overpays if Embiid won't immediately commit to the new team.


Embiid is under contract until 2027.

ah i forgot he already signed his extension

would make the "I'm leaving in 2023" talk with Philly kinda awkward
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Post#195 » by zimpy27 » Sat May 14, 2022 6:49 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I would 100 percent read this site if I worked in the NBA (just this board never the GB) because you all come up with like every possible trade iteration and then if needed people come along behind and make it CBA legal.


A lot of unrealistic trades here though. We kind of do it in a haphazard fantastical way where we don't think of the players as real people.

Most realistic trades are two team trades and if you have a 3rd team it's usually for a small part of the major trade. 4th and 5th teams are usually sorted out later when the existing commitments can be worked together better financially
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Post#196 » by Domejandro » Sat May 14, 2022 7:37 am

I know a guy through forums that was feeding me info on Thibs’ toxic work environment before that completely blew up. It’s a big reason why I don’t bother debating the Jimmy Butler situation.

I am sure other people associated with the NBA or players at least peruse RealGM a bit. People jump to GM’s and stuff, but front offices and coaching staffs are large.
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Post#197 » by Domejandro » Sat May 14, 2022 8:01 am

If Kyrie Irving walks for Brooklyn, I think a three team sign-and-trade with D’Angelo Russell going to Brooklyn might be interesting. Entirely depends on where Kyrie would want to go, so not worth speculating too hard, but it’s something I’ll be watching.
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Post#198 » by shangrila » Sat May 14, 2022 9:11 am

Domejandro wrote:If Kyrie Irving walks for Brooklyn, I think a three team sign-and-trade with D’Angelo Russell going to Brooklyn might be interesting. Entirely depends on where Kyrie would want to go, so not worth speculating too hard, but it’s something I’ll be watching.

I'd be curious who even wants Irving at this point.
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Post#199 » by giberish » Sat May 14, 2022 9:23 am

shangrila wrote:
Domejandro wrote:If Kyrie Irving walks for Brooklyn, I think a three team sign-and-trade with D’Angelo Russell going to Brooklyn might be interesting. Entirely depends on where Kyrie would want to go, so not worth speculating too hard, but it’s something I’ll be watching.

I'd be curious who even wants Irving at this point.


If he's cheap enough a lot of teams would be interested as a low-risk gamble, but I can't imagine Kyrie wants to sign cheap.

At $50M/yr long term, or even $40M/yr long term he's not low-risk by any means. At that point I'd expect very few (if any) teams would be interested - especially as the playoffs aren't decided by a series of 1 on 1 contests.
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Post#200 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat May 14, 2022 1:46 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:I would 100 percent read this site if I worked in the NBA (just this board never the GB) because you all come up with like every possible trade iteration and then if needed people come along behind and make it CBA legal.


A lot of unrealistic trades here though. We kind of do it in a haphazard fantastical way where we don't think of the players as real people.

Most realistic trades are two team trades and if you have a 3rd team it's usually for a small part of the major trade. 4th and 5th teams are usually sorted out later when the existing commitments can be worked together better financially


I mean, sure. But what does it cost to just skim the front page and read for a few minutes to get some ideas you might not have otherwise? There are also a lot of good small tax trades that show up here too.

I don’t know if GMs do it but if I was a staffer in the FO tasked with planning or coming up with ideas, it’s some pretty good crowdsourcing.

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