Time to discuss josh Green

Bob8 · Post #101 » by **Bob8** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:11 am

KhalilS wrote:Yeah, Green is Mavs player, what's done is done, BTW out of the 3 that got away at that spot, Texas native Maxey, TCU star Bane, and Bey, I'd take Maxey and Bane over Bey, something off about his game from the little I saw.

Bane looks the best option to me. But scoring 50+ is not something that many players are capable of, no matter for how bad team they play.

Post #102 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:17 am

Bob8 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Yeah, Green is Mavs player, what's done is done, BTW out of the 3 that got away at that spot, Texas native Maxey, TCU star Bane, and Bey, I'd take Maxey and Bane over Bey, something off about his game from the little I saw.

Bane looks the best option to me. But scoring 50+ is not something that many players are capable of, no matter for how bad team they play.

He can shoot lights out, but can bury you with his shooting, In terms of physique, something doesn't seem right about him, maybe it's because I rarely watch him and I saw some weird plays, he's much closer to Luka in terms of body than say GTJ or Duncan Robinson, but he doesn't play physical like Luka, he doesn't seem quick or explosive at all.

Bob8 · Post #103 » by **Bob8** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:22 am

KhalilS wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Yeah, Green is Mavs player, what's done is done, BTW out of the 3 that got away at that spot, Texas native Maxey, TCU star Bane, and Bey, I'd take Maxey and Bane over Bey, something off about his game from the little I saw.

Bane looks the best option to me. But scoring 50+ is not something that many players are capable of, no matter for how bad team they play.

He can shoot lights out, but can bury you with his shooting, In terms of physique, something doesn't seem right about him, maybe it's because I rarely watch him and I saw some weird plays, he's much closer to Luka in terms of body than say GTJ or Duncan Robinson, but he doesn't play physical like Luka, he doesn't seem quick or explosive at all.

I don't really regret not getting him, that draft just shows how many opportunities have Mavs missed in last years, just few different decisions and Mavs could have had contending team already. Having top 5 player on rookie deal just doesn't happen every year.

Post #104 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:26 am

It was a horrible draft for the Mavs, Bane BTW was the Celtics pick, and the Celtics didn't want that pick because of of the guaranteed spot and salary, they were tax payer, and gave it away to Memphis.
Donnie was brilliant is spotting top notch European talent, but in terms of NCAA talent, he never succeeded, but there's a new boss now, let's see how it goes.

daoneandonly · Post #105 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:44 am

KhalilS wrote:It was a horrible draft for the Mavs, Bane BTW was the Celtics pick, and the Celtics didn't want that pick because of of the guaranteed spot and salary, they were tax payer, and gave it away to Memphis.
Donnie was brilliant is spotting top notch European talent, but in terms of NCAA talent, he never succeeded, but there's a new boss now, let's see how it goes.

It was definitely a bad draft. Bey was the obvious pick, but professional scouts should have seen the other 2, especially as you mentioned they both have local ties. Green tries and all, he's just not anywhere close to being a key rotational piece. Plus if they had Bane, Memphis wouldnt and probably wouldnt be ahead of the Mavs

41Dirk41 · Post #106 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:04 pm

Bane&Bey are ahead Green right now.No question about this.
But Green is already a key rotation player for us, 20/25minutes from the bench in a winning team is a good start for him.
He is still a kid and he has all the tools for became the new DFS. It's on him.

Post #107 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:12 pm

I don't watch NCAA at all, didn't study college in the US and not part of the scene, and the level isn't very high, it's interesting whether Nico will use the pick for a young player or use it for trade, Mavs have 13 players guaranteed contracts + Brunson FA + Ntilikina team opiton, there is no spot on roster for a pick unless they make a consilidation trade (which they definitely should, the 3 Bs Boban, Burke and Brown are contributing very little and expiring, they should being back a center).

Bob8 · Post #108 » by **Bob8** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:38 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:Bane&Bey are ahead Green right now.No question about this.
But Green is already a key rotation player for us, 20/25minutes from the bench in a winning team is a good start for him.
He is still a kid and he has all the tools for became the new DFS. It's on him.

He's not getting those minutes, thankfully. Because, if he was, while averaging 4/2/1, Mavs wouldn't have had that many wins.

41Dirk41 · Post #109 » by **41Dirk41** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:24 pm

Bob8 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:Bane&Bey are ahead Green right now.No question about this.
But Green is already a key rotation player for us, 20/25minutes from the bench in a winning team is a good start for him.
He is still a kid and he has all the tools for became the new DFS. It's on him.

He's not getting those minutes, thankfully. Because, if he was, while averaging 4/2/1, Mavs wouldn't have had that many wins.

What a hate for the kid :lol:

Last 10 he played 19minutes/game... And we win a lot of those games.

Bob8 · Post #110 » by **Bob8** » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:08 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:Bane&Bey are ahead Green right now.No question about this.
But Green is already a key rotation player for us, 20/25minutes from the bench in a winning team is a good start for him.
He is still a kid and he has all the tools for became the new DFS. It's on him.

He's not getting those minutes, thankfully. Because, if he was, while averaging 4/2/1, Mavs wouldn't have had that many wins.

What a hate for the kid

Last 10 he played 19minutes/game... And we win a lot of those games.

That's problem with stats. You say he has averaged 19 minutes, I say he has played 8/10 times less than 19 minutes.

HairyGOATee · Post #111 » by **HairyGOATee** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:07 pm

He's a good defender and athlete. Mavs just gotta turn him into a legit 3 point shooter now.

41Dirk41 · Post #112 » by **41Dirk41** » Tue May 10, 2022 4:35 am

Josh was a no show against Phoenix but Bane was horrible in the first 4 games of WCS.

Michaellam1987 · Post #113 » by **Michaellam1987** » Fri May 13, 2022 9:45 am

41Dirk41 wrote:Josh was a no show against Phoenix but Bane was horrible in the first 4 games of WCS.

Bane is clearly a nba starter already, while Josh still struggle to get regular minutes from the bench. This is actually not comparable at all.

SOUNDCHASER · Post #114 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Sat May 14, 2022 3:02 am

Frank was getting the nod against Pho and he was doing great on D other than an occasional bad foul about once per game. He will learn not to get drawn in and commit those but he has to be the better player at this point with better handles and a some what better but not great shot. Green will get his game to the level we need eventually but he has to improve his shooting a lot. We have a lot of talent to develop as is but I am hoping that the off season sees us making the move to get a big that can be trusted to perform alongside Luka in the starting lineup. If that kind of deal comes our way then trading our young talent is a sacrafice we need to make.
Though it needs to be a great big to justify that. I like Green now that he has come in and given us a lift a few times with his energy. He is just taking advantage of what he is being given and he needs to develop a better game to show he can be more than a spark plug off the bench. He needs to show he can create his own shot and play at the next level on D while developing a dead eye shot. That makes him a keeper but as of now he is a potential guy that we can use in a trade piece to make a move and get someone worthy at center.

Darren · Post #115 » by **Darren** » Sat May 14, 2022 4:09 am

Frank is quicker and more aggressive. Green is too obedient to the coach.

Bob8 · Post #116 » by **Bob8** » Sat May 14, 2022 6:43 am

Watching Bane is very difficult for me.

It's very difficult to change total non shooter in average shooter. DFS was always much more willing 3-points shooter than Green, so that's different situation.

Post #117 » by **Mavrelous** » Sat May 14, 2022 4:02 pm

Bob8 wrote:Watching Bane is very difficult for me.

It's very difficult to change total non shooter in average shooter. DFS was always much more willing 3-points shooter than Green, so that's different situation.

Green doesn't have the touch, you can see it also in his layups, you can practice it all you want, but he'll be average at best.
I don't think he'll amount to anything in this league, he has amazing foot speed, good passing ability, but that's where his pluses end, he's always going to be non-scoring threat, and will make it hard to play him.

arkuo · Post #118 » by **arkuo** » Sat May 14, 2022 4:11 pm

Green is the product of Donnie Nelson being a brat and stepping out of his office 2 minutes before the pick was about to be called. When the Mavericks were on the clock, he was no where to be found. I doubt Green was supposed to be picked at the time but it is what it is now. These have all been documented and have took a messy turn between Cuban versus the Nelsons in court.

The team has turned a new page now with Nico and hopefully he knows a thing or two about drafting. It's a lottery so you can get a usable player or not. The Mavs are bound to pick 25 to 30 now with how the team is performing. That would be the trend for the next few years. I would not invest in the draft as heavy as the team is ready to compete NOW and any 26th pick you get has to: A) beat out DFS or Bullock for minutes, and B) is two years away from any real competition much less playoff minutes. The most efficient way to get talent now is via trade. Which should have been the same case during the Dirk years when the team was capped out.

Bob8 · Post #119 » by **Bob8** » Sat May 14, 2022 5:05 pm

Something must be wrong with evaluation of players. Just look at Brunson, 2x NCAA champion, MVP and he falls on 33. Because he's older and not extremely quick. Wtf? Or taking those bigs in front of Luka, who was dominating in Europe with 18 years. This fascination with athleticism is just baffling.

Drafting Josh is total mystery. Everyone knows that players playing with Luka need to be at least solid shooters. Then you draft a player, who is not even attempting shots.

41Dirk41 · Post #120 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat May 14, 2022 7:37 pm

Bob8 wrote:Something must be wrong with evaluation of players. Just look at Brunson, 2x NCAA champion, MVP and he falls on 33. Because he's older and not extremely quick. Wtf? Or taking those bigs in front of Luka, who was dominating in Europe with 18 years. This fascination with athleticism is just baffling.

Drafting Josh is total mystery. Everyone knows that players playing with Luka need to be at least solid shooters. Then you draft a player, who is not even attempting shots.

Sometimes i think that a lot of draft scouts aren't so good.