Having a bench scorer would alleviate the majority of our problems

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, there are issues with durability/effort/defense/rebounding that all contribute to why we're eliminated. But ultimately we have 4 starters scoring nearly 17 or more PPG in the playoffs. Our leading scorer off the bench in the postseason was Shake Milton at 5 ppg. I feel like just getting an extra jolt off the bench can be a simple fix to propel us forward, in spite of our flaws.


Potential solutions:
Sign Malik Monk
Trade for Coby White
Trade for Immanuel Quickley

[Iverson Armband]

Yeah, there are issues with durability/effort/defense/rebounding that all contribute to why we're eliminated. But ultimately we have 4 starters scoring nearly 17 or more PPG in the playoffs. Our leading scorer off the bench in the postseason was Shake Milton at 5 ppg. I feel like just getting an extra jolt off the bench can be a simple fix to propel us forward, in spite of our flaws.


Potential solutions:
Sign Malik Monk
Trade for Coby White
Trade for Immanuel Quickley

With what assets?

[Kobblehead]

Thybulle should be sufficient as a bargaining chip for either of those two players. He's the most disruptive defensive player in the NBA, despite him being a zero on offense. Unless teams deem his character too poor based on his choices and lower his trade value.

[Skates]

How about we go with having a bench overall? A scorer that can create their own shot, couple of legit 3 and D guys. The bench underwhelmed most of the season and more so in the playoffs. By the end Paul Reed looked like the only bench guy filling a legit need as lengthy perimeter and passing lane demon with energy who hits the boards on both ends. Shake’s disappearing acts disappointed me the most. Niang is a regular season guy only, it’s why he came so cheap.

[Embiid P]

Agreed. I know that many here are ready to get rid of Harden and Embiid but I feel that the primary reason for their struggles was due to them playing too many games and minutes during the regular season.

A solid bench would allow them to sit them for longer periods during games and entirely during games against lesser competition.

[Bum Adebayo]

People told me it was not about bench scoring, now they see the reality. How can you expect to win in playoffs if, in addition to having choker trifecta in Doc Rivers, James Soften and JoeL Embiid, and Maxey doing nothing in elimination games, the bench sucks?

[Ferry Avenue]

I’ll believe that when bench scoring has at least a moderately strong correlation with winning for this team. Throughout the season, including the playoffs, it did not.

If bench scoring was the answer for this team, its performance would’ve risen and fallen as a function of bench scoring, but it did not.

[Jailblazers7]

I’m less worried about getting a microwave bench scorer than the fact that we have too many **** players on our bench at the wing. Matisse, Shake, Furk, even Niang. All below average NBA players with severely limited games. I’d settle for literally any SF who can tread water against a good NBA team at this point.

It is a bummer that Grant Riller got hurt. I think had the potential to provide some scoring juice off the bench but we never got a chance to find out.

[ankle420breaker]

Sign me up for Colby White at the right price.

I'd also make every effort to sign Ingles this summer on a friendly 1-2 year deal. Gives us another steady hand at point while adding some much needed grit and outside shooting.

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[Embiid P]

I’m less worried about getting a microwave bench scorer than the fact that we have too many **** players on our bench at the wing. Matisse, Shake, Furk, even Niang. All below average NBA players with severely limited games. I’d settle for literally any SF who can tread water against a good NBA team at this point.

It is a bummer that Grant Riller got hurt. I think had the potential to provide some scoring juice off the bench but we never got a chance to find out.

Even if healthy, he wouldn't have sniffed the court except during garbage time. This is Rivers we are talking about, after all.

[Kobblehead]

The Sixers have decided to put 4 scoring options and 1 role player in the starting lineup. We're too top heavy. At this point, there's no indication that they're entertaining the possibility of sliding Maxey or Harris to the second unit to balance out the structure, so we'd have to simply go get another skilled guy that can score to put on the 2nd unit.

[FireMorey]

I think Maxey is going to be relegated to the bench next season, but still get a lot of minutes depending on who Morey can add. Especially if those rumors about Beal in S&T are true.

[Kobblehead]

Coming off the playoffs and factoring in his age, an argument can be made that Maxey should be our #1 perimeter option. So if we're moving a scorer to the 2nd unit, I'd prefer it be Harris. Reed is a ready made defensive F to help our starting unit have a more traditional structure (3 scoring options, 2 role players).

[Ferry Avenue]

The Sixers have decided to put 4 scoring options and 1 role player in the starting lineup. We're too top heavy. At this point, there's no indication that they're entertaining the possibility of sliding Maxey or Harris to the second unit to balance out the structure, so we'd have to simply go get another skilled guy that can score to put on the 2nd unit.

That’s precisely why bench scoring isn’t strongly correlated with winning throughout the league. Teams simply vary in the degree to which they emphasize scoring from either their starting units or their bench, and the teams that place more emphasis on their bench are no bigger winners than the teams that do not. In the end there is but one ball, and starters and bench players are very often intermingled on the court at the same time.

[Kobblehead]

The Sixers have decided to put 4 scoring options and 1 role player in the starting lineup. We're too top heavy. At this point, there's no indication that they're entertaining the possibility of sliding Maxey or Harris to the second unit to balance out the structure, so we'd have to simply go get another skilled guy that can score to put on the 2nd unit.

That’s precisely why bench scoring isn’t strongly correlated with winning throughout the league. Teams simply vary in the degree to which they emphasize scoring from either their starting units or their bench, and the teams that place more emphasis on their bench are no bigger winners than the teams that do not. In the end there is but one ball, and starters and bench players are very often intermingled on the court at the same time.

I mean, you can just survey the landscape of these 2nd round series:

Warriors: Jordan Poole at 17.8 ppg
Heat: Tyler Herro at 14.7 ppg AND Victor Oladipo at 10.3 ppg
Bucks: Pat Connaughton at 11.7 ppg
Mavericks: Maxi Kleber at 11 ppg
Suns: Cam Johnson at 10.3 ppg

So 5 out of the 8 teams in the 2nd round have a player on their 2nd unit giving them double figures scoring. Shake Milton at 5 ppg was the lowest scoring leading bench scorer in the entire group.

It's obviously a major problem that needs to be upgraded.

[Embiid P]

The Sixers have decided to put 4 scoring options and 1 role player in the starting lineup. We're too top heavy. At this point, there's no indication that they're entertaining the possibility of sliding Maxey or Harris to the second unit to balance out the structure, so we'd have to simply go get another skilled guy that can score to put on the 2nd unit.

That’s precisely why bench scoring isn’t strongly correlated with winning throughout the league. Teams simply vary in the degree to which they emphasize scoring from either their starting units or their bench, and the teams that place more emphasis on their bench are no bigger winners than the teams that do not. In the end there is but one ball, and starters and bench players are very often intermingled on the court at the same time.

I mean, you can just survey the landscape of these 2nd round series:

Warriors: Jordan Poole at 17.8 ppg
Heat: Tyler Herro at 14.7 ppg AND Victor Oladipo at 10.3 ppg
Bucks: Pat Connaughton at 11.7 ppg
Mavericks: Maxi Kleber at 11 ppg
Suns: Cam Johnson at 10.3 ppg

So 5 out of the 8 teams in the 2nd round have a player on their 2nd unit giving them double figures scoring. Shake Milton at 5 ppg was the lowest scoring leading bench scorer in the entire group.

It's obviously a major problem that needs to be upgraded.

No point in arguing with Ferry. He is perpetually stuck in the "we need a player with a dog mentality who can take over games in the clutch" belief. Everything else is irrelevant to him including coaching, rebounding and defense and bench scoring.

[brannigan73]

Of course it would help but they need a lot of things. To win a title you need to be elite at just about everything. The only thing we are close to elite at now is when Harden's playing well they are elite offensively. Defense is decent and rebounding mediocre. One of the least athletic teams in the NBA. Its not just as easy as saying 1 bench scorer. I honestly feel like they need 2-3 new players that are good athletes that can defend, rebound well for there positions, and hit threes at a respectable clip. One dude is not solving this teams problems unless he can do all those things I mentioned and is quality level starter player or better which they don't have the assets to get. This team isnt as close as some of you want to wish cast us as. I get nightmares when I watch teams like Golden State, Memphis, and Phoenix play there 7-10th men are better then our fifth best guy lol. Memphis doesnt play some guys in the playoffs that are better then our bench players lol Konchar and Clarke come to mind. To win a title you need probably be in the top 8 or so at scoring, rebounding, and defense. Good luck!

[elchengue20]

Meh.

[VDT]

If the goal is to win a title, then bench scoring will not make a difference.
The team just doest have any mental fortitude and that's not because of some dog mentality, although it helps, but because they dont feel confident in their abilities. And that starts with Embiid. He gets frustrated and has a bad body language because he doesnt feel confident in his ability to beat a tough defense. In which important series has he proved that he is a superstar? He has some injuries but at some point it is what it is. He gives up when he doesnt believe he can beat the defense and take over the game. And he hasnt really taken over a series yet, which is a huge red flag for a 28 year old guy. It means that one way or another he is not hard to contain.

You can go back to every series that we lost, other than against the Raptors, and the team underperformed or even straight up lost to an inferior, in theory, team like the last two years. Even against the Raptors, one could say that we had superior or at least equal talent on paper. You can overcome lack of talent with some good moves from the FO, but its very hard to overcome a perennially underachieving core.

[Ferry Avenue]

The Sixers have decided to put 4 scoring options and 1 role player in the starting lineup. We're too top heavy. At this point, there's no indication that they're entertaining the possibility of sliding Maxey or Harris to the second unit to balance out the structure, so we'd have to simply go get another skilled guy that can score to put on the 2nd unit.

That’s precisely why bench scoring isn’t strongly correlated with winning throughout the league. Teams simply vary in the degree to which they emphasize scoring from either their starting units or their bench, and the teams that place more emphasis on their bench are no bigger winners than the teams that do not. In the end there is but one ball, and starters and bench players are very often intermingled on the court at the same time.

I mean, you can just survey the landscape of these 2nd round series:

Warriors: Jordan Poole at 17.8 ppg
Heat: Tyler Herro at 14.7 ppg AND Victor Oladipo at 10.3 ppg
Bucks: Pat Connaughton at 11.7 ppg
Mavericks: Maxi Kleber at 11 ppg
Suns: Cam Johnson at 10.3 ppg

So 5 out of the 8 teams in the 2nd round have a player on their 2nd unit giving them double figures scoring. Shake Milton at 5 ppg was the lowest scoring leading bench scorer in the entire group.

It's obviously a major problem that needs to be upgraded.

Right, but now compare the scoring of the starting units of those teams to the starting units of the Sixers and to other teams in the league that aren’t in the playoffs.

Like you said in your post above, a team’s bench scoring is primarily a function of whether it chooses to take a starting-caliber player and bring him off the bench, versus putting him in the starting lineup. And that decision is not correlated with winning. Certainly if the Sixers for example started bringing Tyrese Maxey off the bench to replace Shake Milton, they wouldn’t suddenly start winning more.

Whether Tyler Herro for example is standing on the court when the ball is tipped off at the beginning of the game doesn’t have a thing to do with whether the Heat win, unless the player he is replacing in the starting lineup is also scoring 20 points per game.