Jalen Brunson obsession

[8516knicks]

Well, I hear a lot of "I don't want him"... I'm still waiting for someone to name a couple of PGs that might be available for us to upgrade.

Upgrade to what? The 11th overall pick to the 13th pick?

Why spend money on expensive veteran FAs when your roster is barely competitive for the Play-In and nowhere near competing for a championship?

In the very high likelihood we’re still bad next year, you’ll have yet another longterm expensive contract on the books.

Then what? What about the year after that?

Personally if I’m GM my #1 priority is to take Burks away from Thibs. Force him to start IQ with the only backup plan D. Rose (for the 40 games he’s healthy) + Deuce. But they’re probably not on that wavelength and will keep on being super Knicksy by adding longterm veteran contracts to bad teams in the delusional hope that it will magically unlock MSG as a FA destination for hypothetical A-list FAs who may or may not come available over the next few years.

Signing Brunson would be exactly the same as the THJ contract and the (first) Randle contract. Spending money for money’s sake instead of just focusing on internal development and longterm asset management. The purpose of Brunson wouldn’t be to win. It would be to sell the media and season ticket holders on the lie that the Knicks are back.

Until you can name a decent (in your eyes) gettable PG in the NBA for under $15M, your complaints ring hollow.

We currently have RJ = an inefficient left-hand dominant shooting guard who's not all that great a shooter (but tries, he's improving) and a one-season wonder PF who's back to pouting as our #1 and #2 guys. On any other team they'd be far down on list, maybe not even starters.

Both ball dominant and inefficient. Neither is leading us to the second round let alone a title series. And our 3rd best player is a non-shooting center.

We don't even have a top 50 player on the team. And getting a good young PG is too expensive?

How much will RJ and Randle cost on their new contracts? Is that the team you want to see built and filled in with inexpensive subs and draftees?

[pwayknicks]

0, let me fix that, negative interest in this dude….not the kind of guard we need


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[Jeffrey]

Well, I hear a lot of "I don't want him"... I'm still waiting for someone to name a couple of PGs that might be available for us to upgrade.

Upgrade to what? The 11th overall pick to the 13th pick?

Why spend money on expensive veteran FAs when your roster is barely competitive for the Play-In and nowhere near competing for a championship?

In the very high likelihood we’re still bad next year, you’ll have yet another longterm expensive contract on the books.

Then what? What about the year after that?

Personally if I’m GM my #1 priority is to take Burks away from Thibs. Force him to start IQ with the only backup plan D. Rose (for the 40 games he’s healthy) + Deuce. But they’re probably not on that wavelength and will keep on being super Knicksy by adding longterm veteran contracts to bad teams in the delusional hope that it will magically unlock MSG as a FA destination for hypothetical A-list FAs who may or may not come available over the next few years.

Signing Brunson would be exactly the same as the THJ contract and the (first) Randle contract. Spending money for money’s sake instead of just focusing on internal development and longterm asset management. The purpose of Brunson wouldn’t be to win. It would be to sell the media and season ticket holders on the lie that the Knicks are back.

Until you can name a decent (in your eyes) gettable PG in the NBA for under $15M, your complaints ring hollow.

We currently have RJ = an inefficient left-hand dominant shooting guard who's not all that great a shooter (but tries, he's improving) and a one-season wonder PF who's back to pouting as our #1 and #2 guys. On any other team they'd be far down on list, maybe not even starters.

Both ball dominant and inefficient. Neither is leading us to the second round let alone a title series. And our 3rd best player is a non-shooting center.

We don't even have a top 50 player on the team. And getting a good young PG is too expensive?

How much will RJ and Randle cost on their new contracts? Is that the team you want to see built and filled in with inexpensive subs and draftees?

I agree with this. What you want is far from what GMs will do. They are looking to upgrade this offseason, you should at least take a look at the availability and just hope it all works at this point.

My preference is to let go of Randle (I don't think that will happen) and not be cap strap after RJ gets (that's an if) his extension. We're a year away from locking 2 big contracts (Randle and RJ) but your thinking is to just sit there and let the clock run out on their contracts or hope to draft a Giannis?! Those are unrealistic in the eyes of NBA execs.

Unrestricted FAs
Ricky Rubio
Tyus Jones
Jalen Brunson
Dennis Schroeder

These are PGs that might be available in a trade
D'Lo
Westbrook

Buyout candidate
John Wall

My top choice is Ricky Rubio just because he may get a 1+1 which is a nice short term deal that can help our young players. If we're going multi year deals, it's definitely Jalen Brunson as the top choice but I think he will be out of range and the further Dallas advances, I am convinced they will sign him with a Kyle Lowry type deal.

[HarthorneWingo]

Upgrade to what? The 11th overall pick to the 13th pick?

Why spend money on expensive veteran FAs when your roster is barely competitive for the Play-In and nowhere near competing for a championship?

In the very high likelihood we’re still bad next year, you’ll have yet another longterm expensive contract on the books.

Then what? What about the year after that?

Personally if I’m GM my #1 priority is to take Burks away from Thibs. Force him to start IQ with the only backup plan D. Rose (for the 40 games he’s healthy) + Deuce. But they’re probably not on that wavelength and will keep on being super Knicksy by adding longterm veteran contracts to bad teams in the delusional hope that it will magically unlock MSG as a FA destination for hypothetical A-list FAs who may or may not come available over the next few years.

Signing Brunson would be exactly the same as the THJ contract and the (first) Randle contract. Spending money for money’s sake instead of just focusing on internal development and longterm asset management. The purpose of Brunson wouldn’t be to win. It would be to sell the media and season ticket holders on the lie that the Knicks are back.

Until you can name a decent (in your eyes) gettable PG in the NBA for under $15M, your complaints ring hollow.

We currently have RJ = an inefficient left-hand dominant shooting guard who's not all that great a shooter (but tries, he's improving) and a one-season wonder PF who's back to pouting as our #1 and #2 guys. On any other team they'd be far down on list, maybe not even starters.

Both ball dominant and inefficient. Neither is leading us to the second round let alone a title series. And our 3rd best player is a non-shooting center.

We don't even have a top 50 player on the team. And getting a good young PG is too expensive?

How much will RJ and Randle cost on their new contracts? Is that the team you want to see built and filled in with inexpensive subs and draftees?

I agree with this. What you want is far from what GMs will do. They are looking to upgrade this offseason, you should at least take a look at the availability and just hope it all works at this point.

My preference is to let go of Randle (I don't think that will happen) and not be cap strap after RJ gets (that's an if) his extension. We're a year away from locking 2 big contracts (Randle and RJ) but your thinking is to just sit there and let the clock run out on their contracts or hope to draft a Giannis?! Those are unrealistic in the eyes of NBA execs.

Unrestricted FAs
Ricky Rubio
Tyus Jones
Jalen Brunson
Dennis Schroeder

These are PGs that might be available in a trade
D'Lo
Westbrook

Buyout candidate
John Wall

My top choice is Ricky Rubio just because he may get a 1+1 which is a nice short term deal that can help our young players. If we're going multi year deals, it's definitely Jalen Brunson as the top choice but I think he will be out of range and the further Dallas advances, I am convinced they will sign him with a Kyle Lowry type deal.

This x 1,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cgmw]

Well, I hear a lot of "I don't want him"... I'm still waiting for someone to name a couple of PGs that might be available for us to upgrade.

Upgrade to what? The 11th overall pick to the 13th pick?

Why spend money on expensive veteran FAs when your roster is barely competitive for the Play-In and nowhere near competing for a championship?

In the very high likelihood we’re still bad next year, you’ll have yet another longterm expensive contract on the books.

Then what? What about the year after that?

Personally if I’m GM my #1 priority is to take Burks away from Thibs. Force him to start IQ with the only backup plan D. Rose (for the 40 games he’s healthy) + Deuce. But they’re probably not on that wavelength and will keep on being super Knicksy by adding longterm veteran contracts to bad teams in the delusional hope that it will magically unlock MSG as a FA destination for hypothetical A-list FAs who may or may not come available over the next few years.

Signing Brunson would be exactly the same as the THJ contract and the (first) Randle contract. Spending money for money’s sake instead of just focusing on internal development and longterm asset management. The purpose of Brunson wouldn’t be to win. It would be to sell the media and season ticket holders on the lie that the Knicks are back.

Until you can name a decent (in your eyes) gettable PG in the NBA for under $15M, your complaints ring hollow.

We currently have RJ = an inefficient left-hand dominant shooting guard who's not all that great a shooter (but tries, he's improving) and a one-season wonder PF who's back to pouting as our #1 and #2 guys. On any other team they'd be far down on list, maybe not even starters.

Both ball dominant and inefficient. Neither is leading us to the second round let alone a title series. And our 3rd best player is a non-shooting center.

We don't even have a top 50 player on the team. And getting a good young PG is too expensive?

How much will RJ and Randle cost on their new contracts? Is that the team you want to see built and filled in with inexpensive subs and draftees?

My only complaint is that it’s 2022 and somehow some Knick fans still want the Knicks to do exactly what the Knicks always do — add veteran Free Agents when the team is bad.

Let’s say Jalen Brunson is an immediate All Star for the Knicks. Let’s even go so far to say he makes All-NBA third team.

So f*cking what? What’s your plan? We still stink. At best first round or possibly second round exit. We will have neither cap space nor high lotto picks, and our only hope is to Starphuck our way into another Carmelo trade for a disgruntled second-tier vet.

I’m not complaining. I’m telling you the straight truth — even if Brunson is excellent, it won’t help. It won’t magically bring All Star talent to the Knicks. MSG is selling you a lie and you’re eating it up. Exactly the same thing they did with THJ and Randle.

On the other hand, you have a golden opportunity to let the homegrown kids play. If they suck, great. That means high lotto picks, which are our only means of acquiring top talent SINCE THE KNICKS ARE NOT A DESTINATION FOR TOP TALENT. If the kids turn out to be good, well you’re in exactly the same place as if you signed Brunson except now you have more cap flexibility.

It’s not complicated. Their best option is to dump Randle and let IQ/Obi play. It’s a win-win whether we’re good or bad. Brunson, on the other hand, would be a loser no matter how well or poorly he plays. Either way you have a bad team and no cap space.

[bleedblue3303]

Now it's Rokas

You guys are the best man. Keep making us smart Knicks fans look like fools. Thanks a lot.

Wouldn't Rokas be a great option to backup IQ? He's done nothing but shine, will be a cheap contract and was drafted by us. Am curious why you think thats foolish.

Because a few of you guys are suggesting it's better to go with our 2nd round pick who doesn't have any NBA experience over a YOUNG proven star in the league.

Actually that's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm suggesting we don't pay over 20 million a year for someone who is not an A+++ all star.

I just wanted to add so edited. I would ask you if Brunson is the second best player on your team how far does that team go? If your answer is not the finals. Than we are not ready yet. Lets find piece 1 and piece 2 first. Then pay for a Brunson type piece 3. But we love a team full of piece 3 or 4's. Randle, fournier, Rose, the list goes on and on for years and years.

[8516knicks]

Upgrade to what? The 11th overall pick to the 13th pick?

Why spend money on expensive veteran FAs when your roster is barely competitive for the Play-In and nowhere near competing for a championship?

In the very high likelihood we’re still bad next year, you’ll have yet another longterm expensive contract on the books.

Then what? What about the year after that?

Personally if I’m GM my #1 priority is to take Burks away from Thibs. Force him to start IQ with the only backup plan D. Rose (for the 40 games he’s healthy) + Deuce. But they’re probably not on that wavelength and will keep on being super Knicksy by adding longterm veteran contracts to bad teams in the delusional hope that it will magically unlock MSG as a FA destination for hypothetical A-list FAs who may or may not come available over the next few years.

Signing Brunson would be exactly the same as the THJ contract and the (first) Randle contract. Spending money for money’s sake instead of just focusing on internal development and longterm asset management. The purpose of Brunson wouldn’t be to win. It would be to sell the media and season ticket holders on the lie that the Knicks are back.

Until you can name a decent (in your eyes) gettable PG in the NBA for under $15M, your complaints ring hollow.

We currently have RJ = an inefficient left-hand dominant shooting guard who's not all that great a shooter (but tries, he's improving) and a one-season wonder PF who's back to pouting as our #1 and #2 guys. On any other team they'd be far down on list, maybe not even starters.

Both ball dominant and inefficient. Neither is leading us to the second round let alone a title series. And our 3rd best player is a non-shooting center.

We don't even have a top 50 player on the team. And getting a good young PG is too expensive?

How much will RJ and Randle cost on their new contracts? Is that the team you want to see built and filled in with inexpensive subs and draftees?

My only complaint is that it’s 2022 and somehow some Knick fans still want the Knicks to do exactly what the Knicks always do — add veteran Free Agents when the team is bad.

Let’s say Jalen Brunson is an immediate All Star for the Knicks. Let’s even go so far to say he makes All-NBA third team.

So f*cking what? What’s your plan? We still stink. At best first round or possibly second round exit. We will have neither cap space nor high lotto picks, and our only hope is to Starphuck our way into another Carmelo trade for a disgruntled second-tier vet.

I’m not complaining. I’m telling you the straight truth — even if Brunson is excellent, it won’t help. It won’t magically bring All Star talent to the Knicks. MSG is selling you a lie and you’re eating it up. Exactly the same thing they did with THJ and Randle.

On the other hand, you have a golden opportunity to let the homegrown kids play. If they suck, great. That means high lotto picks, which are our only means of acquiring top talent SINCE THE KNICKS ARE NOT A DESTINATION FOR TOP TALENT. If the kids turn out to be good, well you’re in exactly the same place as if you signed Brunson except now you have more cap flexibility.

It’s not complicated. Their best option is to dump Randle and let IQ/Obi play. It’s a win-win whether we’re good or bad. Brunson, on the other hand, would be a loser no matter how well or poorly he plays. Either way you have a bad team and no cap space.

I think we sort of agree. Let IQ start and see if he equals Maxey or not. Regardless RJ and Randle and Mitch are not the 3 to get us to the promised land. I'd rather start with a decent young PG - Brunson or not, doesn't matter. But ball dominant inefficient scorers and non-shooting centers no matter how good on D are not the solution.

[malik959]

Yeah tyus has grown on me also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But what does acquiring tyus or Brunson mean for Drose??!!!!!!!

Can’t have iq tyus/Brunson and Drose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ty Jones.

So, people are clamoring for the mediocre vet to take minutes away from IQ, eh?

I mean, I see that being said about Brunson, but if the Knick pay Ty Jones 15 million a year, it's going to be so he plays 10 mpg while IQ starts. Right.

Either people want IQ to start/get major minutes, or they don't.
Because ANY guard the Knicks bring will cut into his minutes.

It's all about what the FO/HC will do. I didn't watch the last bunch of games so I didn't see how well IQ played. Up to the last games I watched..he was a 6th man type player. I never really saw him as a starting PG.

A lot of people are judging him on how he played against GLeague players. Teams were either resting their starters or trying to move up in the draft. He played subpar majority of the season, did he get better after the all star break? Yes, but not good enough to claim a starting role. He is not the answer

[8516knicks]

Ty Jones.

So, people are clamoring for the mediocre vet to take minutes away from IQ, eh?

I mean, I see that being said about Brunson, but if the Knick pay Ty Jones 15 million a year, it's going to be so he plays 10 mpg while IQ starts. Right.

Either people want IQ to start/get major minutes, or they don't.
Because ANY guard the Knicks bring will cut into his minutes.

It's all about what the FO/HC will do. I didn't watch the last bunch of games so I didn't see how well IQ played. Up to the last games I watched..he was a 6th man type player. I never really saw him as a starting PG.

A lot of people are judging him on how he played against GLeague players. Teams were either resting their starters or trying to move up in the draft. He played subpar majority of the season, did he get better after the all star break? Yes, but not good enough to claim a starting role. He is not the answer

Regardless, we need to realize it all starts with a good PG.
Memphis -Morant
GSW -Curry
Cleveland - Garland
Dallas - Doncick
Altanta - T. Young
Charlotte - Ball

Even Utah got Conley and Bucks got J. Holliday and Suns got Paul to make their big moves.

all crappy teams that turned it around starting with a PG.

(But not over-the-hill ones like Harden, Wall, Westbrook.)

[thebuzzardman]

Wouldn't Rokas be a great option to backup IQ? He's done nothing but shine, will be a cheap contract and was drafted by us. Am curious why you think thats foolish.

Because a few of you guys are suggesting it's better to go with our 2nd round pick who doesn't have any NBA experience over a YOUNG proven star in the league.

Actually that's not what I'm suggesting at all. I'm suggesting we don't pay over 20 million a year for someone who is not an A+++ all star.

I just wanted to add so edited. I would ask you if Brunson is the second best player on your team how far does that team go? If your answer is not the finals. Than we are not ready yet. Lets find piece 1 and piece 2 first. Then pay for a Brunson type piece 3. But we love a team full of piece 3 or 4's. Randle, fournier, Rose, the list goes on and on for years and years.

Knicks are like 7 years away then, because Randle, RJ, Mitch,IQ,Obi,Grimes,Cam are like guys 4,5,67,8,9,10 if Brunson is a piece 3

[thebuzzardman]

Until you can name a decent (in your eyes) gettable PG in the NBA for under $15M, your complaints ring hollow.

We currently have RJ = an inefficient left-hand dominant shooting guard who's not all that great a shooter (but tries, he's improving) and a one-season wonder PF who's back to pouting as our #1 and #2 guys. On any other team they'd be far down on list, maybe not even starters.

Both ball dominant and inefficient. Neither is leading us to the second round let alone a title series. And our 3rd best player is a non-shooting center.

We don't even have a top 50 player on the team. And getting a good young PG is too expensive?

How much will RJ and Randle cost on their new contracts? Is that the team you want to see built and filled in with inexpensive subs and draftees?

I agree with this. What you want is far from what GMs will do. They are looking to upgrade this offseason, you should at least take a look at the availability and just hope it all works at this point.

My preference is to let go of Randle (I don't think that will happen) and not be cap strap after RJ gets (that's an if) his extension. We're a year away from locking 2 big contracts (Randle and RJ) but your thinking is to just sit there and let the clock run out on their contracts or hope to draft a Giannis?! Those are unrealistic in the eyes of NBA execs.

Unrestricted FAs
Ricky Rubio
Tyus Jones
Jalen Brunson
Dennis Schroeder

These are PGs that might be available in a trade
D'Lo
Westbrook

Buyout candidate
John Wall

My top choice is Ricky Rubio just because he may get a 1+1 which is a nice short term deal that can help our young players. If we're going multi year deals, it's definitely Jalen Brunson as the top choice but I think he will be out of range and the further Dallas advances, I am convinced they will sign him with a Kyle Lowry type deal.

This x 1,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes. Let's get White Walker and watch his wheels come off too.

[Adelheid]

Brunson just might get max or near max. Forget him. Thats just too expensive cap-wise for what he does

[Montmorencie]

Gives me the same Jamal Murray vibes. Extremely talented but streaky and inconsistent most of the time. Nothing spectacular defensively.

Them guys should be third options in contenders, not second!

[thebuzzardman]

Everyone deserves 82 games of Alec Burks starting at PG

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Gives me the same Jamal Murray vibes. Extremely talented but streaky and inconsistent most of the time. Nothing spectacular defensively.

Them guys should be third options in contenders, not second!

Whether or not having Brunson on the roster would be good for the Knicks I don't really see the comparison with Murray. Brunson is a lot less flashy, more consistent, takes about half as many 3s, has a super-refined post game for such a small guy, and is noticeably smaller that Murray.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Everyone deserves 82 games of Alec Burks starting at PG

thebyzzardman working his way into prime midsummer form - in two months time he'll be making this exact same post without a hint of irony.

[8516knicks]

Brunson just might get max or near max. Forget him. Thats just too expensive cap-wise for what he does

It's interesting the no one who thinks Brunson would be "too expensive for what he does" can name a single NBA point guard who is affordable (and gettable) who meets their quality demands and "is worth it."

Let alone one who makes less than $15M/season.

Doesn't have to be Brunson. But it does have to be SOMEONE. Someone not named Mudiay, Burks, Burke, Galloway, washed Kemba, verging on washed/always injured Rose. You know, and actual decent PG in his 20's that has a FUTURE not a PAST to look forward to.

We are going NOWHERE without a decent PG.

Hawks - Trey Young
Charlotte - Ball
Dallas - Doncick
Cleveland - Garland
Suns - Paul
It starts with a decent PG!!!!

But I susppose they think Randle, RJ (next contract) and Mitch (next contract) ARE WORTH IT FOR WHAT THEY DO. Pretty expensive to deliver 37 wins a year, don't u think?

[thebuzzardman]

Everyone deserves 82 games of Alec Burks starting at PG

thebyzzardman working his way into prime midsummer form - in two months time he'll be making this exact same post without a hint of irony.

This is the way

[Galou]

Can't stand this guy's height. It's his weakness....

[thebuzzardman]

Can't stand this guy's height. It's his weakness....

It's this same reason I hate Chris Paul and FVV and hated Tiny Nate Archibald, Calvin Murphy and Allen Iverson