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Post#601 » by mjkvol » Fri May 13, 2022 3:43 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Why don't we actually get a team that is properly built around him, before blaming him. Would also be nice to get an actual coach.


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Post#602 » by ankle420breaker » Sat May 14, 2022 2:16 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:I think Embiid absolutely deserves to shoulder a heavy portion of the blame after the last two games. His attitude and lack of spirit is definitely a pattern that needs to be broken.

I don’t agree with all the criticism coming his way but he’s want to be considered the best player in the league and this is the treatment that someone of that stature gets when failure happens.
Totally fair. He can't sulk over not winning MVP only to follow it up with two uninspired absolute non-MVP performances.

His volatile attitudes coming into playoff games is a pattern that can't be ignored.

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Post#603 » by 76ciology » Sat May 14, 2022 5:08 am

Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.
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Post#604 » by Lou_23 » Sat May 14, 2022 6:33 am

eyeatoma wrote:So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.
Yeah, they are calling out a player that played with multiple injuries. It was obvious since the finger injury that he wasnt the same offensive player.

Some Sixers fans deserve to go back to Iguodala days, what terrible posts.
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Post#605 » by eyeatoma » Sat May 14, 2022 12:07 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.
Yeah, they are calling out a player that played with multiple injuries. It was obvious since the finger injury that he wasnt the same offensive player.

Some Sixers fans deserve to go back to Iguodala days, what terrible posts.
Agreed, they need to direct their vitriole to the terrible bench, Doc and Harden.

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Post#606 » by ankle420breaker » Sat May 14, 2022 12:39 pm

76ciology wrote:Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.
Butler. Once again, the answer was Butler.

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Post#607 » by Makaveli2 » Sat May 14, 2022 2:40 pm

He’s not going to retire a 76er if the 76er don’t get their **** together. I bet he’s already eyeing Miami and probably has been told by jimmy “you should come here, it’s different”. As James harden has shown, these players can force their way out before their contract end.

76ciology wrote:Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.
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Post#608 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat May 14, 2022 5:54 pm

Lou_23 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.
Yeah, they are calling out a player that played with multiple injuries. It was obvious since the finger injury that he wasnt the same offensive player.

Some Sixers fans deserve to go back to Iguodala days, what terrible posts.


Still healthier than Nadal though.
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Post#609 » by eyeatoma » Sat May 14, 2022 5:55 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Lou_23 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.
Yeah, they are calling out a player that played with multiple injuries. It was obvious since the finger injury that he wasnt the same offensive player.

Some Sixers fans deserve to go back to Iguodala days, what terrible posts.


Still healthier than Nadal though.



Who is still better than Novax ;-)
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Post#610 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat May 14, 2022 5:57 pm

Makaveli2 wrote:He’s not going to retire a 76er if the 76er don’t get their **** together. I bet he’s already eyeing Miami and probably has been told by jimmy “you should come here, it’s different”. As James harden has shown, these players can force their way out before their contract end.

76ciology wrote:Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.


Loyalty doesn't make sense to someone who doesn't deserve it, Sixers doesn't deserve any loyalty with the travesty they did by running Butler out of town, keeping Bum Simmons and Brett Brown for so long and drafting bust after bust. Embiid forcing his way out is absolutely justified, he needs to find something better than this sorry ass franchise.
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Post#611 » by the_process » Sat May 14, 2022 6:23 pm

76ciology wrote:Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.


I think playing Jo at the 4 full time is a very interesting idea.

The problem then becomes who is playing next to him? Horford didn't work out so well. Although how much of that was because of other 3 guys on the floor with them (Simmons, Harris, Richardson) is an open question.
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Post#612 » by Lou_23 » Sat May 14, 2022 7:10 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Lou_23 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:So have we all turned on Embiid now? Jeezuz, it's all coming down.
Yeah, they are calling out a player that played with multiple injuries. It was obvious since the finger injury that he wasnt the same offensive player.

Some Sixers fans deserve to go back to Iguodala days, what terrible posts.


Still healthier than Nadal though.


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Post#613 » by LewisnotMiller » Sun May 15, 2022 6:36 am

Said as an outsider...it's okay to be critical of Joel. But only if you also acknowledge the positive. Dude does a LOT right, for all that he's not my cup of tea.
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Post#614 » by sweetlou23 » Sun May 15, 2022 11:52 am

LewisnotMiller wrote:Said as an outsider...it's okay to be critical of Joel. But only if you also acknowledge the positive. Dude does a LOT right, for all that he's not my cup of tea.

Joel has been worshipped by the phila sports media for far too long. The philly sports media has a history of being absolutely brutal on Philly's past franchise stars. Criticism of Embiid is warranted. For some reason I cannot fathom, Embiid largely has escaped signifigant criticism until now. Marcus Hayes' article re embiids shortcomings is directly on point and could have been written at the end of last season. Embiid is an exceptional player, particularly during the regular season. But his flaws are on full display during the playoffs. As Joel tells it, its always someone else's fault. He needs to look in the mirror.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid-nba-playoffs-20220515.html
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Post#615 » by eyeatoma » Sun May 15, 2022 12:31 pm

sweetlou23 wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:Said as an outsider...it's okay to be critical of Joel. But only if you also acknowledge the positive. Dude does a LOT right, for all that he's not my cup of tea.

Joel has been worshipped by the phila sports media for far too long. The philly sports media has a history of being absolutely brutal on Philly's past franchise stars. Criticism of Embiid is warranted. For some reason I cannot fathom, Embiid largely has escaped signifigant criticism until now. Marcus Hayes' article re embiids shortcomings is directly on point and could have been written at the end of last season. Embiid is an exceptional player, particularly during the regular season. But his flaws are on full display during the playoffs. As Joel tells it, its always someone else's fault. He needs to look in the mirror.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid-nba-playoffs-20220515.html



Marcus Hayes is the biggest Sixers/Embiid hater in Philly. Not sure why you think Embiid needs to be criticized here when he did something many players cannot do. To play with the injuries he has had is being a straight up warrior.

Tell me, how can you criticize his playoff performance with the limitations he had? Both were freak incidents, why should he be at fault here? As Jo says, if he doesn't play he's criticized, if he plays and plays like **** he is as well. It's a lose/lose situation.
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Post#616 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun May 15, 2022 12:55 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
sweetlou23 wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:Said as an outsider...it's okay to be critical of Joel. But only if you also acknowledge the positive. Dude does a LOT right, for all that he's not my cup of tea.

Joel has been worshipped by the phila sports media for far too long. The philly sports media has a history of being absolutely brutal on Philly's past franchise stars. Criticism of Embiid is warranted. For some reason I cannot fathom, Embiid largely has escaped signifigant criticism until now. Marcus Hayes' article re embiids shortcomings is directly on point and could have been written at the end of last season. Embiid is an exceptional player, particularly during the regular season. But his flaws are on full display during the playoffs. As Joel tells it, its always someone else's fault. He needs to look in the mirror.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid-nba-playoffs-20220515.html



Marcus Hayes is the biggest Sixers/Embiid hater in Philly. Not sure why you think Embiid needs to be criticized here when he did something many players cannot do. To play with the injuries he has had is being a straight up warrior.

Tell me, how can you criticize his playoff performance with the limitations he had? Both were freak incidents, why should he be at fault here? As Jo says, if he doesn't play he's criticized, if he plays and plays like **** he is as well. It's a lose/lose situation.


Dude is always hobbled though, at one point he is doing something wrong to not prevent it. On the other hand, the defensive effort was pathetic and this is not due to the face injury.
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Post#617 » by Ferry Avenue » Sun May 15, 2022 1:02 pm

sweetlou23 wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:Said as an outsider...it's okay to be critical of Joel. But only if you also acknowledge the positive. Dude does a LOT right, for all that he's not my cup of tea.

Joel has been worshipped by the phila sports media for far too long. The philly sports media has a history of being absolutely brutal on Philly's past franchise stars. Criticism of Embiid is warranted. For some reason I cannot fathom, Embiid largely has escaped signifigant criticism until now. Marcus Hayes' article re embiids shortcomings is directly on point and could have been written at the end of last season. Embiid is an exceptional player, particularly during the regular season. But his flaws are on full display during the playoffs. As Joel tells it, its always someone else's fault. He needs to look in the mirror.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid-nba-playoffs-20220515.html

Part of the problem with Embiid, in addition to the mental/emotional stuff, is that when he is defended by a smaller and weaker player, he still wants to receive the ball facing the basket on the perimeter like a wing, rather than muscling that player in the paint. That works if you’re Giannis and you can get all the way to the rim reliably in that capacity, but it doesn’t work if you’re Embiid.
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Post#618 » by Iverson Armband » Sun May 15, 2022 1:52 pm

the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.


I think playing Jo at the 4 full time is a very interesting idea.

The problem then becomes who is playing next to him? Horford didn't work out so well. Although how much of that was because of other 3 guys on the floor with them (Simmons, Harris, Richardson) is an open question.

I think Boston is proving that it’s more the latter. Right idea, wrong execution.

We need to get longer and more athletic. Depending on what trades/signings we can make, starting Reed at the 4 on defense, and the 5 on offense may be the way to go. Especially if we trade Tobias for a smaller player, I’d start 3 guards. Harden/Maxey/KCP or Norm Powell? (for example)/Reed/Embiid.
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Post#619 » by the_process » Sun May 15, 2022 2:14 pm

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the_process wrote:
76ciology wrote:Joel will retire as a Sixer.

We just need to recalibrate our view on him on defense. He is a plus defensive player but isn’t good to be the full time anchor on defense.

We need a defensive anchor/rebounder that is not Embiid. Then have Embiid, Harden, Maxey and possibly Tobi focus on scoring and being plus defenders.


I think playing Jo at the 4 full time is a very interesting idea.

The problem then becomes who is playing next to him? Horford didn't work out so well. Although how much of that was because of other 3 guys on the floor with them (Simmons, Harris, Richardson) is an open question.

I think Boston is proving that it’s more the latter. Right idea, wrong execution.

We need to get longer and more athletic. Depending on what trades/signings we can make, starting Reed at the 4 on defense, and the 5 on offense may be the way to go. Especially if we trade Tobias for a smaller player, I’d start 3 guards. Harden/Maxey/KCP or Norm Powell? (for example)/Reed/Embiid.


Reed has a long way to go still. Cannot be a foul prone spaz, and has to be able to stretch the floor. If it's me, I'm not counting on that guy to develop where they need him. Hopefully BBall proves me wrong.
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Post#620 » by mjkvol » Sun May 15, 2022 2:51 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
sweetlou23 wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:Said as an outsider...it's okay to be critical of Joel. But only if you also acknowledge the positive. Dude does a LOT right, for all that he's not my cup of tea.

Joel has been worshipped by the phila sports media for far too long. The philly sports media has a history of being absolutely brutal on Philly's past franchise stars. Criticism of Embiid is warranted. For some reason I cannot fathom, Embiid largely has escaped signifigant criticism until now. Marcus Hayes' article re embiids shortcomings is directly on point and could have been written at the end of last season. Embiid is an exceptional player, particularly during the regular season. But his flaws are on full display during the playoffs. As Joel tells it, its always someone else's fault. He needs to look in the mirror.

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid-nba-playoffs-20220515.html



Marcus Hayes is the biggest Sixers/Embiid hater in Philly. Not sure why you think Embiid needs to be criticized here when he did something many players cannot do. To play with the injuries he has had is being a straight up warrior.

Tell me, how can you criticize his playoff performance with the limitations he had? Both were freak incidents, why should he be at fault here? As Jo says, if he doesn't play he's criticized, if he plays and plays like **** he is as well. It's a lose/lose situation.


Just the idea of quoting Marcus Hayes at all negates the point. Classic example of a media hack with an agenda and axes to grind, not that this makes him unique.
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