[Windhorst] Pascal Siakam Potentially Could Be Available For The Right Trade

[WaltFrazier]

I didn't say Boston's future is bleak. They traded their FRP's though for Horford and White and their core has been together for 6 years.

When did I say we shouldn't try to win more than 48 games. I legitimately don't even know what you're trying to say. You just said our young guys are going to improve. If our young guys improve and we stay healthy then why would we win less than 48 games? You don't think an improved Scottie, GTJ, Precious, OG, a healthy Fred plus Pascal is enough to beat the team we just faced in the playoffs? We went 6 games against a team in which Scottie missed 3 games, GTJ was sick for 2 games, Fred was injured for 4 and then missed the last 2 games.

If you don't think our young guys are going to get better then we are likely going to win the same amount of games or less. If you think our guys are going to get better then we should win more than 48 games especially if we stay healthy.

I'm not opposed to adding a bench piece to this team. I'm not opposed to anything. But it has to make sense. Remember, Masai and the front office want to win championships. That's the ultimate goal. Just getting to the 2nd round isn't their goal.

I forget but I think I was originally reacting to someone else's post? Which sounded to me like advocating standing pat just rely on developing. As for added pieces making sense, well that's what we assume Masai and co. are going to do. I'm hoping for successful adds of things we need, not more Svi and Bonga. I guess that's one of my points, proven young vets not long term prospects.

And second round of course is not the ultimate goal but surely it's the next step after this year, not to say we couldn't do even better. Aside from next season having horrible luck with injuries, you wouldn't be happy with 8th place and losing the play-in would you?

If you don’t want this team to sign players like Svi and Bonga then you’re going to be sorely disappointed because every team makes these kinds of signings to round out their roster. As I mentioned earlier, this is a salary cap league. I’d love to be able to just sign Jarret Allen and Lonzo Ball but there is a salary cap and we need to adhere by it. As a result this team will continue developing players as that’s what the best teams in the league do. If there is a player we can acquire at the right price I’m all for it. But it has to be at the right price.

Proven young vets? Who do you have in mind? And do you think these players are cheap to get?

And no, not everything is linear. Maybe we lose in the first round next year but Scottie, Precious and GTJ play more of a role offensively. Like I said, ultimate goal is the championship. You have to look at the bigger picture.

And of course I wouldn’t be happy with 8th place. When did I say I would?

There are threads here about who we could add this summer. With the MLE. We should be able to get a guard and/or a big more productive than guys on our bench now.

I don't think we're on totally different pages. Unless you're saying no we definitely cannot add anyone better than we have now.

[Tacoma]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

[duppyy]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Some people on here think a Kawhi type trade is an easy thing to accomplish.

[pingpongrac]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Assuming that Scottie does become a superstar when he's 25 (2026/27 season and his 6th year), Siakam would be 32 at the start of the year and turning 33 in time for the playoffs. IIRC, you are one of the people firmly of the belief that Lowry was the #2 in our Championship season...and Lowry turned 33 just before the playoffs in 2019. If for some reason you've changed your tune and believe Siakam was the #2 option and Lowry was the #3 option, that still doesn't change much. Worst-case scenario, Siakam would still be a more than suitable #3 on a Championship team that can read and react at a very high level.

[Raps1103]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Lol, what ? Where are you getting this from.. you’re just making up absolute nonsense !

Ja morant is 22 ( I’d say he’s a super star, no?)
Trae is 23 hrs pretty good, eh ?
Luca is 23 kind of a super star, eh? And has been for at least a year or 2
Giannis was 24 when he won his first MVP
Tatum is 24, he’s been pretty damn good for 2-3,years now ..
So, idk where the hell youre getting this AT LEAST 5 YEARS AWAY, garbage ! Lol

[Los_29]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Lol, what ? Where are you getting this from.. you’re just making up absolute nonsense !

Ja morant is 22 ( I’d say he’s a super star, no?)
Trae is 23 hrs pretty good, eh ?
Luca is 23 kind of a super star, eh? And has been for at least a year or 2
Giannis was 24 when he won his first MVP
Tatum is 24, he’s been pretty damn good for 2-3,years now ..
So, idk where the hell youre getting this AT LEAST 5 YEARS AWAY, garbage ! Lol

I honestly don't get it. People just make stuff up around here.

LOL at 5 years away. Guy just won the ROTY while averaging 15/8/4.

[omar36]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Some people on here think a Kawhi type trade is an easy thing to accomplish.

that was a damm perret storm that may never happen again.

You have a disgruntled superstar who refuses to share medical info scaring alot of teams and killing his value.
you have a very petty mangement team hell bent on making the player miserable and neglecting the teams needs and future outlook.

Like even if kawhi sucked for once, that trade was a win lmao. We got rid of Dechoke who i should remind everyone was coming off another sweep and his last play in the uniform was getting ejected in a 35+ game 4 blowout loss. His value was at his lowest and masai and bobby turn him/ poetl who is eh and a first thats was always going to be 22+ for a superstar and a solid 3 and D player.

almost as zero risk as it could be. That aint ever happening again

[Chandan]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Assuming that Scottie does become a superstar when he's 25 (2026/27 season and his 6th year), Siakam would be 32 at the start of the year and turning 33 in time for the playoffs. IIRC, you are one of the people firmly of the belief that Lowry was the #2 in our Championship season...and Lowry turned 33 just before the playoffs in 2019. If for some reason you've changed your tune and believe Siakam was the #2 option and Lowry was the #3 option, that still doesn't change much. Worst-case scenario, Siakam would still be a more than suitable #3 on a Championship team that can read and react at a very high level.

If siakiam is willing to be stashed away for 5 more years in his prime without making a serious run at the title then sure.

I personally think hes such a great second fiddle it would be a waste of a career for him to sit around and wait for the chance of barnes becoming something.

[Clay Davis]

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Lol, what ? Where are you getting this from.. you’re just making up absolute nonsense !

Ja morant is 22 ( I’d say he’s a super star, no?)
Trae is 23 hrs pretty good, eh ?
Luca is 23 kind of a super star, eh? And has been for at least a year or 2
Giannis was 24 when he won his first MVP
Tatum is 24, he’s been pretty damn good for 2-3,years now ..
So, idk where the hell youre getting this AT LEAST 5 YEARS AWAY, garbage ! Lol

I honestly don't get it. People just make stuff up around here.

LOL at 5 years away. Guy just won the ROTY while averaging 15/8/4.

It's doubly weird because if Siakam peaks around 29, he'll probably stay in that prime for two years before declining... But that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be worse overall or worse for that role than he is right now... And even if he is worse, he still just needs to be good enough to be a great 2nd option.

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[Chandan]

Lets talk about barnes being able to carry the team when he starts getting a single double coverage.

[WaltFrazier]

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Assuming that Scottie does become a superstar when he's 25 (2026/27 season and his 6th year), Siakam would be 32 at the start of the year and turning 33 in time for the playoffs. IIRC, you are one of the people firmly of the belief that Lowry was the #2 in our Championship season...and Lowry turned 33 just before the playoffs in 2019. If for some reason you've changed your tune and believe Siakam was the #2 option and Lowry was the #3 option, that still doesn't change much. Worst-case scenario, Siakam would still be a more than suitable #3 on a Championship team that can read and react at a very high level.

If siakiam is willing to be stashed away for 5 more years in his prime without making a serious run at the title then sure.

I personally think he's such a great second fiddle it would be a waste of a career for him to sit around and wait for the chance of Barnes becoming something.

Why 5 years? Why not keep building to contender as we go, with Scottie gradually taking on more usage (or not so gradually), and finding the right balance between him and Pascal, while making our defense even better as we go with those two plus OG and Achiuwa. Scottie is a ROY who was blessed to come to a team with a core of very good players, it would be crazy to tear it down and build around Scottie for some 5 years away future that might never come.

And we have3 young accomplished vets with layoff experience and rings. So yes they deserve to contend now but don't have to go elsewhere to do it. Except maybe FVV, lol.

[Psubs]

Not interested in trading a 27/28 year old two way versatile allstar big who has arms from here to Europe. Pascal just need a Batman aka Kawhi to lead the charge and he’s an amazing #2.

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Some people on here think a Kawhi type trade is an easy thing to accomplish.

Pascal to Phoenix (they need to replace terrible Crowder as the starting PF and the Raptors have to many) for Deandre Ayton and four 1st round picks. Then trade players to Washington with six first picks for Beal (that is extended for super max).

PG Barnes - Flynn
SG Beal - Banton
SF OG - Champagnie
PF Precious - Boucher
C Ayton - Precious

[canz55]

Lets talk about barnes being able to carry the team when he starts getting a single double coverage.

That's what's being missed here. I love Barnes, but some assumptions about him are people projecting their positivity and overzealousness.

He's naturally an all-defensive player with a high IQ while being physically imposing but he's not a scorer in this league. Nor will he likely ever be. If he turns into a superstar facilitator/defender etc that's awesome but we're still going to need some great pieces next to him to score the basketball.

[wegotthabeet]

That's not saying anything because all playoff teams are a Kawhi away. Getting a superstar is by far the most difficult piece of puzzle. Realistically, if Barnes is to become one, it'll not happen until he's at least 25. That's 5 years away which would place Siakam at 33 years old and no longer suitable to be a #2 for a Championship team.

This is the crux of the matter in the belief that Siakam being 8+ years older is not on the same timeline trajectory for another Championship run led by Barnes. Ideally, Siakam should be traded when his value is highest which is this summer. Since he's an UFA in 2024, his trade value drops next year because he'll only be a 1-year rental.

Some people on here think a Kawhi type trade is an easy thing to accomplish.

Pascal to Phoenix (they need to replace terrible Crowder as the starting PF and the Raptors have to many) for Deandre Ayton and four 1st round picks. Then trade players to Washington with six first picks for Beal (that is extended for super max).

PG Barnes - Flynn
SG Beal - Banton
SF OG - Champagnie
PF Precious - Boucher
C Ayton - Precious

The only guy I'd move Siakam for would be Zion. I can't think of anyone else under 25 who's semi available with superstar potential. Not Ayton and a collection mid/late 1st round picks or anything else that isn't potentially franchise altering. It needs to be a deal with that type of potential, giving the team a championship ceiling if it works out. If Alex McKechnie thinks he can get Zion's body in shape then I'd go for it. You need two top 10 guys or one top 5 type to be a real contender year in year out. Beal isn't close to that level. Ayton neither, but Zion is if/when healthy and Barnes could get there too in a few years. Move Fred for youth/depth.

PG Barnes
SG Trent
SF OG
PF Zion
C Precious

[720]

Lets talk about barnes being able to carry the team when he starts getting a single double coverage.

That's what's being missed here. I love Barnes, but some assumptions about him are people projecting their positivity and overzealousness.

He's naturally an all-defensive player with a high IQ while being physically imposing but he's not a scorer in this league. Nor will he likely ever be. If he turns into a superstar facilitator/defender etc that's awesome but we're still going to need some great pieces next to him to score the basketball.

Someone like Jaden Ivey, Shaedon Share, Paolo Banchero or Jabari Smith would have been a great pair for him.

[Steelo Green]

Giannis, MJ, Lebron won at 26-27.

Tatum is 24, Luka in year 4.

Reality is Scottie won’t be contending for at least 2-3 years and we don’t even know if he will be a 1 or 2.

Trading Pascal at his highest value for the long term success of this team is just the best move.

Then again Pascal is only 10 in basketball years because he started playing at 17 so he will be good until he’s 45 at least.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Giannis, MJ, Lebron won at 26-27.

Tatum is 24, Luka in year 4.

Reality is Scottie won’t be contending for at least 2-3 years and we don’t even know if he will be a 1 or 2.

Trading Pascal at his highest value for the long term success of this team is just the best move.

Then again Pascal is only 10 in basketball years because he started playing at 17 so he will be good until he’s 45 at least.

i laught at this argument : "he started basketball late" = "he'll be good late into this 30s and can only get better"

its a trade off of athleticism and skills. once you get over 30, you're pretty much not the same anymore. the reason Siakam is good is because he's athletic enough to do what he can do with his skillset. Boucher especially - seems to be the main argument about him - whatever makes him good today (hustle, bounce, athleticism) as a role player is because his skills are catching up with his athleticism. He'll PROBABLY be a different player once he gets to 32 and beyond (big man sniper without the over athletic plays he can do now)

doesn't have to be the case for everyone (Lebron) but its the pretty much the norm for everyone.

[Rapsfan07]

Giannis, MJ, Lebron won at 26-27.

Tatum is 24, Luka in year 4.

Reality is Scottie won’t be contending for at least 2-3 years and we don’t even know if he will be a 1 or 2.

Trading Pascal at his highest value for the long term success of this team is just the best move.

Then again Pascal is only 10 in basketball years because he started playing at 17 so he will be good until he’s 45 at least.

I mean, I agree for the most part.

I've said it many times on here - Raps brass needs to decide on whether we are building for now or for the future. If we're building for the the future, then yes, this offseason is the time to get everything we can for Siakam and FVV. If we want to win now, we need to cash in on at least one of FVV or Trent to bring in some help. I am personally against dealing Siakam unless we're going to get a stud in return. PFs with skillsets like Siakam are the rarest player in the league and don't grow on trees. Replacing him will not be easy.

I like Scottie, but lets not kid ourselves - he's not a star yet. And while there are the Morants, Tatums and Lukas of the league, you're fooling yourself if you think Barnes is already at those guys level. He just simply isn't. He can get there but just because he's ROY doesn't guarantee us a thing. He still has quite a few holes in his game. Even if it takes him 3 -4 years to become a Tier 1 guy, that still means
a) Siakam has already expired
b) Siakam is 32

So ultimately the bottom line is this - we can't keep the team together the way it is today, without moving at least one of Siakam, FVV or Trent and expect to win.

[DreamTeam09]

I'm just on a totally different page than you guys, you guys are are scared of these big name players and I wanna go after all of these guys. This Boston team isn't way better than us if at all, even Miami or Dallas. GSW I think we are a little further behind.

Memphis was just the 2 seed and was right there with GSW without Ja playing several games.

Weather we continue to build with this core or blow it up in a few years doesn't matter to me. It won't take us long to get back right after a blow up. Why do we have to do it now or next year, our team is so young

[Steelo Green]

I'm just on a totally different page than you guys, you guys are are scared of these big name players and I wanna go after all of these guys. This Boston team isn't way better than us if at all, even Miami or Dallas. GSW I think we are a little further behind.

Memphis was just the 2 seed and was right there with GSW without Ja playing several games.

Weather we continue to build with this core or blow it up in a few years doesn't matter to me. It won't take us long to get back right after a blow up. Why do we have to do it now or next year, our team is so young

Boston is so much better than us.