Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers

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4 Questions

Poll ended at Sun May 15, 2022 1:32 am

Q1: Keep the GM
51
10%
Q1: Fire the GM
68
13%
Q2: Keep the coach
16
3%
Q2: Fire the coach
115
22%
Q3: Performed better than expected
10
2%
Q3: Performed as expected
54
10%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
74
14%
Q4: Rising Team
14
3%
Q4: Treadmill Team
86
16%
Q4: Waning Team
37
7%
 
Total votes: 525

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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#121 » by kan_t » Sun May 15, 2022 1:14 pm

jstross wrote:he seemed open to a team friendly deal, but we shall see.
celtxman wrote:It really boils down to Harden and Sixers Management. Sixers don't want to have a Russell Westbrook type contract that's a nightmare. Harden must be extremely embarrassed and maybe will consider a team friendly deal. This is the key to everything in Philly

Unless they find a way to trade Harris, a team friendly deal wouldn't really make a different to the 76ers for the next two seasons. Even if he takes 30m-35M a year the 76ers would still don't have any cap space flexibility.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#122 » by cupcakesnake » Sun May 15, 2022 3:13 pm

This team just has no wings, especially if Thybulle is just a gimmick (I love Thybulle but he just did not exist these playoffs). Maxey, Embiid, and Harden (especially if he can bounce back at all from that hammy) is a great core. Go out and surround them with as many wings as you can find. Danny Green is done :( Tobias was awesome these playoffs but is a tweener power forward and seems most likely to be moved. Wings wings WANGZ.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#123 » by SkyHookFTW » Sun May 15, 2022 6:23 pm

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Ziggie wrote:As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.
I don't think they would know the way the heat is composed currently

embid doesn't seem like a hard worker and one of pats main reason is achievement through hard work


Joel is a big achiever, but we can all agree it doesn't seem to be the product of hartwork ... The Simmons effect of random, immature and odd Behavior weights too heavy on joel mind

djokic on the other hand is a trade pat would think about

But we can all agree that nobody in the right mind would make a trade like that, unless the heat gave up a lot more than just bam

You don't make the improvements and leap that Joel made by accident. He works his ass off. If Simmons put in half the work Embiid does maybe he doesn't get run out of town.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#124 » by Duke4life831 » Sun May 15, 2022 6:52 pm

Wait are people actually trying to make the argument that the Heat wouldnt trade Bam for Embiid? Pat Riley hangs up the phone screaming no take backs if that deal was on the table. There is a very few amount of players that a GM would say no to a straight swap with Embiid. Riley with Bam isnt one of those situations.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#125 » by hauntedcomputer » Mon May 16, 2022 12:27 pm

I wonder if you can win a title with Harden as your third-best player, much less 1 or 2.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#126 » by rzzzzz » Mon May 16, 2022 1:14 pm

ropjhk wrote:Morey screwed up by not trading Simmons early in the season for real help. Instead he held out for a busted trade.

Rivers out coached again and is surviving on reputation alone.

The stars don't know how to lead and perform in the playoffs.


From what Haliburton said, it looks like he and Hield and picks were on the way to Philly, before Morey put another call into the Nets for the chance to bathe again in perceived past glory. Jimmy was the best basketball mind in this organization when Brett insisted they dump him. He said he loved Philly, but no doubt he’s planted the seed to work a trade for Embiid down to MIami.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#127 » by ropjhk » Mon May 16, 2022 1:44 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
ropjhk wrote:Morey screwed up by not trading Simmons early in the season for real help. Instead he held out for a busted trade.

Rivers out coached again and is surviving on reputation alone.

The stars don't know how to lead and perform in the playoffs.


From what Haliburton said, it looks like he and Hield and picks were on the way to Philly, before Morey put another call into the Nets for the chance to bathe again in perceived past glory. Jimmy was the best basketball mind in this organization when Brett insisted they dump him. He said he loved Philly, but no doubt he’s planted the seed to work a trade for Embiid down to MIami.


Haliburton + Hield + maybe Curry if he doesn't get traded would have been better for Philly's playoff chances.

I feel bad for Philly fans who not only have to endure another early playoff exit but also have to be reminded of how they could have kept Jimmy Butler. Butler + Embiid would have been a combination that would have made the finals in 2020 IMO and would be favoured against the Celtics right now.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#128 » by kuclas » Mon May 16, 2022 2:21 pm

ropjhk wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
ropjhk wrote:Morey screwed up by not trading Simmons early in the season for real help. Instead he held out for a busted trade.

Rivers out coached again and is surviving on reputation alone.

The stars don't know how to lead and perform in the playoffs.


From what Haliburton said, it looks like he and Hield and picks were on the way to Philly, before Morey put another call into the Nets for the chance to bathe again in perceived past glory. Jimmy was the best basketball mind in this organization when Brett insisted they dump him. He said he loved Philly, but no doubt he’s planted the seed to work a trade for Embiid down to MIami.


Haliburton + Hield + maybe Curry if he doesn't get traded would have been better for Philly's playoff chances.

I feel bad for Philly fans who not only have to endure another early playoff exit but also have to be reminded of how they could have kept Jimmy Butler. Butler + Embiid would have been a combination that would have made the finals in 2020 IMO and would be favoured against the Celtics right now.


The holdup was Harris's contract. Sacromento wouldn't take Harri's contract. It would have been Barnes/Haliburton/Hield for Simmons/Harris (harris was playing horrible the first half of the season). Atlanta wouldn't take Harris contract either for some type of trade involving John Colins/Hunter for Simmons/Harris.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#129 » by kan_t » Mon May 16, 2022 2:25 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Wait are people actually trying to make the argument that the Heat wouldnt trade Bam for Embiid? Pat Riley hangs up the phone screaming no take backs if that deal was on the table. There is a very few amount of players that a GM would say no to a straight swap with Embiid. Riley with Bam isnt one of those situations.

I think Pat Riley would offer Bam plus one or two first round picks without blinking. And he would call Spo to drive Bam to the airport immediately.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#130 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon May 16, 2022 6:37 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:This team just has no wings, especially if Thybulle is just a gimmick (I love Thybulle but he just did not exist these playoffs). Maxey, Embiid, and Harden (especially if he can bounce back at all from that hammy) is a great core. Go out and surround them with as many wings as you can find. Danny Green is done :( Tobias was awesome these playoffs but is a tweener power forward and seems most likely to be moved. Wings wings WANGZ.


This nails it. Sixers have absolutely zero talent on the wing outside of an aged Danny Green who just blew his knee out. Can’t win multiple playoff series with that reality, as we just saw from Milwaukee. Tobias should not be asked to guard the other teams best perimeter player even if he put forth a valiant effort. Even if they advanced, is he then being asked to guard Tatum? An absolute nightmare.

Sixers gotta spend whatever cap & assets they have remaining to get some size & athleticism on the wing or it’ll just be the same story next year. Can’t just run it back and hope Harden returns to his old self and/or bank on Maxey making another huge developmental leap.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#131 » by slicedbread2 » Mon May 16, 2022 11:18 pm

kuclas wrote:
ropjhk wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:
From what Haliburton said, it looks like he and Hield and picks were on the way to Philly, before Morey put another call into the Nets for the chance to bathe again in perceived past glory. Jimmy was the best basketball mind in this organization when Brett insisted they dump him. He said he loved Philly, but no doubt he’s planted the seed to work a trade for Embiid down to MIami.


Haliburton + Hield + maybe Curry if he doesn't get traded would have been better for Philly's playoff chances.

I feel bad for Philly fans who not only have to endure another early playoff exit but also have to be reminded of how they could have kept Jimmy Butler. Butler + Embiid would have been a combination that would have made the finals in 2020 IMO and would be favoured against the Celtics right now.


The holdup was Harris's contract. Sacromento wouldn't take Harri's contract. It would have been Barnes/Haliburton/Hield for Simmons/Harris (harris was playing horrible the first half of the season). Atlanta wouldn't take Harris contract either for some type of trade involving John Colins/Hunter for Simmons/Harris.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10024359-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-considering-haliburton-hield-barnes-package

The report was from some dude via the Philadelphia Inquirer(it was behind a paywall that I couldn't get access to).

It's actually more painful than people realize. The holdup was Thybulle and apparently the 76ers chose to end the deal because they didn't want to deal Matisse and this was what the deal would've been:

Philadelphia: Harrison Barnes, Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley III, Tristan Thompson, 2 1sts(The last 2 players were for salary filler and the pick pro. was rumoured to be lightly pro. a la the Vucevic deal)
Sacramento: Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, Tobias Harris

The 76ers were morons for turning down that deal as they could've pivoted Thompson+Bagley III+prospect and picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant who would've been a perfect compliment with Barnes, Maxey, Haliburton and Embiid while the team would've been able to get under the tax and get out of the horrendous contracts that were Harris+Simmons not to mention the cap flexibility that would've been achieved.

To add insult to injury they could've kept all that depth and would've had pieces to pivot towards consolidating depth if the situation called for it. Really felt that they screwed the pooch here and all to chase a player who looks like he could care less is even worse. Big names don't equal big games and Morey's obsession for James could ultimately ruin him.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#132 » by kuclas » Mon May 16, 2022 11:59 pm

slicedbread2 wrote:
kuclas wrote:
ropjhk wrote:
Haliburton + Hield + maybe Curry if he doesn't get traded would have been better for Philly's playoff chances.

I feel bad for Philly fans who not only have to endure another early playoff exit but also have to be reminded of how they could have kept Jimmy Butler. Butler + Embiid would have been a combination that would have made the finals in 2020 IMO and would be favoured against the Celtics right now.


The holdup was Harris's contract. Sacromento wouldn't take Harri's contract. It would have been Barnes/Haliburton/Hield for Simmons/Harris (harris was playing horrible the first half of the season). Atlanta wouldn't take Harris contract either for some type of trade involving John Colins/Hunter for Simmons/Harris.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10024359-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-considering-haliburton-hield-barnes-package

The report was from some dude via the Philadelphia Inquirer(it was behind a paywall that I couldn't get access to).

It's actually more painful than people realize. The holdup was Thybulle and apparently the 76ers chose to end the deal because they didn't want to deal Matisse and this was what the deal would've been:

Philadelphia: Harrison Barnes, Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley III, Tristan Thompson, 2 1sts(The last 2 players were for salary filler and the pick pro. was rumoured to be lightly pro. a la the Vucevic deal)
Sacramento: Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, Tobias Harris

The 76ers were morons for turning down that deal as they could've pivoted Thompson+Bagley III+prospect and picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant who would've been a perfect compliment with Barnes, Maxey, Haliburton and Embiid while the team would've been able to get under the tax and get out of the horrendous contracts that were Harris+Simmons not to mention the cap flexibility that would've been achieved.

To add insult to injury they could've kept all that depth and would've had pieces to pivot towards consolidating depth if the situation called for it. Really felt that they screwed the pooch here and all to chase a player who looks like he could care less is even worse. Big names don't equal big games and Morey's obsession for James could ultimately ruin him.


Nah the poster. He twisted Keith Pompey (who is legit leak) words. Read the link you posted. On the second paragraph it says the sixers were not interested in fox. And the first paragraph says Haliburton barnes hield and two first round picks for Simmons and Harris.

When almost every single article says kings djdnt want to take Harris contract.

Shams is way more reliable

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-76ers-deaaron-fox-tyrese-haliburton/36mzty14c9xm18jsyrbn9bnoe
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#133 » by slicedbread2 » Tue May 17, 2022 12:16 am

kuclas wrote:
slicedbread2 wrote:
kuclas wrote:
The holdup was Harris's contract. Sacromento wouldn't take Harri's contract. It would have been Barnes/Haliburton/Hield for Simmons/Harris (harris was playing horrible the first half of the season). Atlanta wouldn't take Harris contract either for some type of trade involving John Colins/Hunter for Simmons/Harris.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10024359-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-considering-haliburton-hield-barnes-package

The report was from some dude via the Philadelphia Inquirer(it was behind a paywall that I couldn't get access to).

It's actually more painful than people realize. The holdup was Thybulle and apparently the 76ers chose to end the deal because they didn't want to deal Matisse and this was what the deal would've been:

Philadelphia: Harrison Barnes, Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley III, Tristan Thompson, 2 1sts(The last 2 players were for salary filler and the pick pro. was rumoured to be lightly pro. a la the Vucevic deal)
Sacramento: Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, Tobias Harris

The 76ers were morons for turning down that deal as they could've pivoted Thompson+Bagley III+prospect and picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant who would've been a perfect compliment with Barnes, Maxey, Haliburton and Embiid while the team would've been able to get under the tax and get out of the horrendous contracts that were Harris+Simmons not to mention the cap flexibility that would've been achieved.

To add insult to injury they could've kept all that depth and would've had pieces to pivot towards consolidating depth if the situation called for it. Really felt that they screwed the pooch here and all to chase a player who looks like he could care less is even worse. Big names don't equal big games and Morey's obsession for James could ultimately ruin him.


Nah the poster. He twisted Keith Pompey (who is legit leak) words. Read the link you posted. On the second paragraph it says the sixers were not interested in fox. And the first paragraph says Haliburton barnes hield and two first round picks for Simmons and Harris.

When almost every single article says kings djdnt want to take Harris contract.

Shams is way more reliable

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-76ers-deaaron-fox-tyrese-haliburton/36mzty14c9xm18jsyrbn9bnoe


Damn. Stand corrected then. Then again the Kings are truly the type of team that'd use a confuse ray on themselves and get hurt in the process(pun intended).

Yea as much as I like Tobias Harris, I seriously can't believe ownership allowed Brand to give the guy a 5/180M and let Butler walk out the door. To add insult to injury, he'll be owed $80M over the next 2 years and no GM will compromise their cap space to eat his salary. He's a 3rd/4th option at best being paid 1st option money and they're really in a tough spot. I don't trust Harden to get his lazy butt into shape and the fact that Rivers is coming back after all of this leaves me feeling uneasy.

Barring Maxey going supernova, Matisse developing a jump shot to the point he'd no longer be a liability on the offensive end and any other internal development it ain't gonna look pretty. Their lack of wing depth is horrifyingly bad.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#134 » by rzzzzz » Tue May 17, 2022 1:33 pm

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Yeah as much as I like Tobias Harris, I seriously can't believe ownership allowed Brand to give the guy a 5/180M and let Butler walk out the door. To add insult to injury, he'll be owed $80M over the next 2 years and no GM will compromise their cap space to eat his salary.


I thought Brand was bold scoring both Butler and Harris to add to Biid and Ben. The aftermath of that gamble I lay completely at the feet of Josh Harris, again. He chose to extend Brett, agreeing to his conditions of getting Butler out of town. Which lay the groundwork of the Harris overpay, and even then, I’m not sure who really pulled the trigger. (It was the brilliant Brett, after all, who traded hometown favorite Bridges for Zhaire.) Even Brand’s decision to sign Horford seemed to have some merit at the time. Couldn’t have predicted the absolute lack of chemistry and enthusiasm that followed. Though it was obvious Embiid was metaphysically bummed at losing the most copacetic team mate he’ll ever have.

For all my Brett animosity, it was interesting that at the end of the bubble season Ben was finally showing some serious development as a front court player, before tweaking his back the first time and sinking any momentum we might have had. That was the only time we’ve seen Simmons move a little out of his very limited comfort zone.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#135 » by ropjhk » Tue May 17, 2022 1:53 pm

kuclas wrote:
slicedbread2 wrote:
kuclas wrote:
The holdup was Harris's contract. Sacromento wouldn't take Harri's contract. It would have been Barnes/Haliburton/Hield for Simmons/Harris (harris was playing horrible the first half of the season). Atlanta wouldn't take Harris contract either for some type of trade involving John Colins/Hunter for Simmons/Harris.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10024359-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-considering-haliburton-hield-barnes-package

The report was from some dude via the Philadelphia Inquirer(it was behind a paywall that I couldn't get access to).

It's actually more painful than people realize. The holdup was Thybulle and apparently the 76ers chose to end the deal because they didn't want to deal Matisse and this was what the deal would've been:

Philadelphia: Harrison Barnes, Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley III, Tristan Thompson, 2 1sts(The last 2 players were for salary filler and the pick pro. was rumoured to be lightly pro. a la the Vucevic deal)
Sacramento: Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle, Tobias Harris

The 76ers were morons for turning down that deal as they could've pivoted Thompson+Bagley III+prospect and picks to Detroit for Jerami Grant who would've been a perfect compliment with Barnes, Maxey, Haliburton and Embiid while the team would've been able to get under the tax and get out of the horrendous contracts that were Harris+Simmons not to mention the cap flexibility that would've been achieved.

To add insult to injury they could've kept all that depth and would've had pieces to pivot towards consolidating depth if the situation called for it. Really felt that they screwed the pooch here and all to chase a player who looks like he could care less is even worse. Big names don't equal big games and Morey's obsession for James could ultimately ruin him.


Nah the poster. He twisted Keith Pompey (who is legit leak) words. Read the link you posted. On the second paragraph it says the sixers were not interested in fox. And the first paragraph says Haliburton barnes hield and two first round picks for Simmons and Harris.

When almost every single article says kings djdnt want to take Harris contract.

Shams is way more reliable

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/ben-simmons-trade-rumors-kings-76ers-deaaron-fox-tyrese-haliburton/36mzty14c9xm18jsyrbn9bnoe


The article talks about how the Kings weren't going to trade Fox or Haliburton at the deadline but in the end Haliburton was traded for Sabonis. That makes me believe that Haliburton could have been traded for Simmons if the Sixers put together the right offer which Morey probably never made.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#136 » by slicedbread2 » Tue May 17, 2022 3:44 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
slicedbread2 wrote:
Yeah as much as I like Tobias Harris, I seriously can't believe ownership allowed Brand to give the guy a 5/180M and let Butler walk out the door. To add insult to injury, he'll be owed $80M over the next 2 years and no GM will compromise their cap space to eat his salary.


I thought Brand was bold scoring both Butler and Harris to add to Biid and Ben. The aftermath of that gamble I lay completely at the feet of Josh Harris, again. He chose to extend Brett, agreeing to his conditions of getting Butler out of town. Which lay the groundwork of the Harris overpay, and even then, I’m not sure who really pulled the trigger. (It was the brilliant Brett, after all, who traded hometown favorite Bridges for Zhaire.) Even Brand’s decision to sign Horford seemed to have some merit at the time. Couldn’t have predicted the absolute lack of chemistry and enthusiasm that followed. Though it was obvious Embiid was metaphysically bummed at losing the most copacetic team mate he’ll ever have.

For all my Brett animosity, it was interesting that at the end of the bubble season Ben was finally showing some serious development as a front court player, before tweaking his back the first time and sinking any momentum we might have had. That was the only time we’ve seen Simmons move a little out of his very limited comfort zone.


Yeah Brett Brown should've been let go if it were between him and Butler. Honestly I remembered Ben and Tobias were on board with running it back again with Redick, Jimmy and Joel. Redick would've been a perfect stopgap who would've taken less money to stay while finding an eventual successor. If Harris was given the Harrison Barnes deal or a 4/100M while giving Butler his money, they'd be looking pretty sick.

To be fair nobody could've predicted Fultz developing the yips and forgetting how to shoot and to add insult to injury Jayson Tatum is gonna be a stud for the next 5-10 years in Boston which really stings. To add insult to injury the Simmons saga was a complete headache.

Joshua Harris is to be blamed for all of this as you had 3 GM's in Hinkie, BC and Brand with different visions of how to run the team with no long-term planning in oversight which was the equivalent of some hedge fund dropping a portfolio of clients onto a salesperson saying go make me some money have fun. Great leadership starts at the top and it's sad that he didn't have the spine to stand up for Hinkie and tell the league to kick rocks. I honestly feel that this ownership group was just like any other in the sense that as long as they get some extra playoff home games, it's irrelevant whether the team wins a title or not. Their handling of the New Jersey Devils says it all(they've only made the playoffs once since being bought by them and have gone from one of the best run franchises in the NHL under Lou Lamoriello to one of the worse).

While Morey is a good executive, it was too late by the time he came in although his handling of Simmons could've been better it was too late by the time he came in as there seemed to be a lot of resentment due to Simmons refusing to develop his FT shot and working on a 15ft jumper. It sucked that he had to give away a 25 1st to get out of Horford's deal although it could've been worse.

They are limited in terms of what they could do and I'm really mad that Danny Green got hurt(Embiid needs to stop falling down(I know he's advised to b/c of injury concerns) as he could not only hurt opposing players, but his own teammates) because he's a class act, but if they are smart they should recirculate Green's T/O(10M) and send it to a team looking for cap relief and get some picks to use for a future opportunity or to be used as part of a bigger trade but most likely ownership will tell Morey to cut him in order to lighten up their tax bill.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers 

Post#137 » by zshawn10 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:54 pm

[Wojnarowski] James Harden is headed toward opting in to that 47 million player option, and then extending by perhaps as many as two more years, at a significant number with the Sixers. Likely something short of a max contract, but still a significant commitment from Philly.

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